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I'd love to see this talked about, my question is, if your county was to win an all Ireland, would it lessen the joy for you if, say, 6/7 of the players were from a neighbouring county (I'm thinking kilkenny/carlow for example).
We've seen old firms being played without a single Scotsman on the pitch, connacht has loads of non connacht natives on the team, it hasn't done them any harm re support.
I think every hurler should be given a chance to win an all Ireland if his talent allows it.

Galway9801 (Galway) - Posts: 1942 - 13/04/2022 10:46:28    2410794

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Honestly, it would not mean as much if you ask me.
That said, I am actively considering a transfer to Dublin after this year as my future career probably lies there. I don't think I will feel any differently about playing for another club but maybe time will tell

StoreysTash (Wexford) - Posts: 1783 - 13/04/2022 14:48:26    2410850

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Im not a fan of players playing for different counties and it causes bad blood
between counties.

Only exception is if a player moves to another county and plays club in the county.

Don't get me started on Westmeath and Kerry transferring in players for the hurling

carlovia (None) - Posts: 1522 - 14/04/2022 14:07:27    2410993

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Replying To carlovia:  "Im not a fan of players playing for different counties and it causes bad blood
between counties.

Only exception is if a player moves to another county and plays club in the county.

Don't get me started on Westmeath and Kerry transferring in players for the hurling"
If the GAA is to truly give the same opportunity to every child starting to play at 5-6 it will have to look at why participating in its biggest event, the all Ireland Finals, is confined to a small select few with the main deciding factor being, where were you born,
If you come from Carlow, Louth, Wicklow and many more counties you have a much greater chance of playing in Croke Park for an Irish Soccer or Rugby team on a big day than in a GAA match. The pitch will be used again, as it was before, if we get a Rugby World Cup or major soccer tournament.
There is no other sport in Ireland that limits how far an individual can go based on where they were born.
There is no reference to such issues in the 5 year strategic plan. Why not?
The average GAA person doesn't even think this is an issue.
The GAA needs to address this issue or it will ultimately become the preserve of the few.
By the way I don't claim to have the answers.

SixtiesKid (Galway) - Posts: 327 - 14/04/2022 16:40:52    2411030

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Great thread. Personally totally opposed to inter county transfers and they rarely work. Westmeath have been guilty recently in hurling and it smacks of inferiority complex

Claretandblue (Westmeath) - Posts: 1902 - 14/04/2022 17:06:25    2411036

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Replying To SixtiesKid:  "If the GAA is to truly give the same opportunity to every child starting to play at 5-6 it will have to look at why participating in its biggest event, the all Ireland Finals, is confined to a small select few with the main deciding factor being, where were you born,
If you come from Carlow, Louth, Wicklow and many more counties you have a much greater chance of playing in Croke Park for an Irish Soccer or Rugby team on a big day than in a GAA match. The pitch will be used again, as it was before, if we get a Rugby World Cup or major soccer tournament.
There is no other sport in Ireland that limits how far an individual can go based on where they were born.
There is no reference to such issues in the 5 year strategic plan. Why not?
The average GAA person doesn't even think this is an issue.
The GAA needs to address this issue or it will ultimately become the preserve of the few.
By the way I don't claim to have the answers."
I'm not dismissing your point entirely, but likening playing in the biggest single game in the sport to playing any sort of game in another sport isn't the same thing.

A more appropriate comparison:

Why should someone born in Luxembourg be denied the opportunity to play in a World Cup Final while someone born a miles away in Germany be given a fairly decent opportunity to do so, assuming both have world class ability?

cavanman47 (Cavan) - Posts: 5175 - 14/04/2022 18:53:34    2411047

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Replying To SixtiesKid:  "If the GAA is to truly give the same opportunity to every child starting to play at 5-6 it will have to look at why participating in its biggest event, the all Ireland Finals, is confined to a small select few with the main deciding factor being, where were you born,
If you come from Carlow, Louth, Wicklow and many more counties you have a much greater chance of playing in Croke Park for an Irish Soccer or Rugby team on a big day than in a GAA match. The pitch will be used again, as it was before, if we get a Rugby World Cup or major soccer tournament.
There is no other sport in Ireland that limits how far an individual can go based on where they were born.
There is no reference to such issues in the 5 year strategic plan. Why not?
The average GAA person doesn't even think this is an issue.
The GAA needs to address this issue or it will ultimately become the preserve of the few.
By the way I don't claim to have the answers."
Respect your viewpoint but is playing in an All Ireland really the most important thing for a player ?

For a club player, playing for your own county is the aim.
A widespread transfer system would destroy the county scene in weaker counties.

carlovia (None) - Posts: 1522 - 14/04/2022 19:11:40    2411048

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Replying To cavanman47:  "I'm not dismissing your point entirely, but likening playing in the biggest single game in the sport to playing any sort of game in another sport isn't the same thing.

A more appropriate comparison:

Why should someone born in Luxembourg be denied the opportunity to play in a World Cup Final while someone born a miles away in Germany be given a fairly decent opportunity to do so, assuming both have world class ability?"
That's an excellent comparison Cavanman.

Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 13737 - 16/04/2022 09:38:52    2411069

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Replying To carlovia:  "Respect your viewpoint but is playing in an All Ireland really the most important thing for a player ?

For a club player, playing for your own county is the aim.
A widespread transfer system would destroy the county scene in weaker counties."
If anything it would improve it, a transfer system works both ways, guys not necessarily getting a look in in counties like kilkenny could play for Carlow or Laois, while not good enough for kilkenny they'd surely do a lot to help a weaker county.
And while playing in an all Ireland might not be the most important thing for a player, hurlers in weaker counties I'm sure find it very disheartening to know they'll never get the chance.

Galway9801 (Galway) - Posts: 1942 - 16/04/2022 10:04:52    2411073

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Replying To Galway9801:  "I'd love to see this talked about, my question is, if your county was to win an all Ireland, would it lessen the joy for you if, say, 6/7 of the players were from a neighbouring county (I'm thinking kilkenny/carlow for example).
We've seen old firms being played without a single Scotsman on the pitch, connacht has loads of non connacht natives on the team, it hasn't done them any harm re support.
I think every hurler should be given a chance to win an all Ireland if his talent allows it."
It's a complex sort of issue… I think a player would have to have some sort of tie to a County ( grandparent or parent born there ) for him/her to represent one other than the one he/she was born in… What's going on with the Irish rugby team is a joke with 4/5 players picked in every game with absolutely no ties whatsoever to Ireland especially as rugby is so widespreadley played throughout the country… I would agree for example in hurling that the weaker counties would greatly benefit development wise with the influx of a few players from the top counties…. The problem would be for example would any Kilkenny hurlers have any interest in playing for Cavan to help them develop…. It's hard to see it but you raise a very good issue…!

ForeverBlue2 (Cavan) - Posts: 3002 - 16/04/2022 10:43:23    2411080

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Replying To ForeverBlue2:  "It's a complex sort of issue… I think a player would have to have some sort of tie to a County ( grandparent or parent born there ) for him/her to represent one other than the one he/she was born in… What's going on with the Irish rugby team is a joke with 4/5 players picked in every game with absolutely no ties whatsoever to Ireland especially as rugby is so widespreadley played throughout the country… I would agree for example in hurling that the weaker counties would greatly benefit development wise with the influx of a few players from the top counties…. The problem would be for example would any Kilkenny hurlers have any interest in playing for Cavan to help them develop…. It's hard to see it but you raise a very good issue…!"
That rule is there. Some living/working or has a parent from a country can play with them without having to transfer club.

oneoff (UK) - Posts: 1472 - 16/04/2022 12:45:07    2411091

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Replying To oneoff:  "That rule is there. Some living/working or has a parent from a country can play with them without having to transfer club."
Only applies to some counties and doesn't extend beyond parents….. An agreed loan system between strong and weak counties would be a good system with the GAA putting in some sort of an incentive for the players or county involved…. It would surely bring up the standard of hurling in the weaker counties….!

ForeverBlue2 (Cavan) - Posts: 3002 - 16/04/2022 12:55:20    2411093

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I think the time has come when this issue needs to be taken seriously and some changes made. There are counties that have very little chance of winning a senior All Ireland based on their numbers available -Leitrim and Fermanagh to name a couple. Some of these counties have less than 20 clubs and a total population which is a fraction of most of the senior clubs in Dublin-that is not Dublin's fault. Irrespective of the quality of management they will find success difficult due to numbers available. Its fine to say you need a relation living somewhere, but that is of little use where small numbers are involved. There are many cases in larger football counties where there are good player overlooked for various reasons and some of these could move.

browncows (Meath) - Posts: 2342 - 16/04/2022 13:36:42    2411099

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Replying To Galway9801:  "I'd love to see this talked about, my question is, if your county was to win an all Ireland, would it lessen the joy for you if, say, 6/7 of the players were from a neighbouring county (I'm thinking kilkenny/carlow for example).
We've seen old firms being played without a single Scotsman on the pitch, connacht has loads of non connacht natives on the team, it hasn't done them any harm re support.
I think every hurler should be given a chance to win an all Ireland if his talent allows it."
Let's say Carlow win Liam, with a few ringers/transferees, whatever wanna call them from KK or Wexford, wouldn't that just raise the profile of the game? Kids wanting to be the next Cha Fitz or Jack Guiney, for example.

Elementary school kids are too young to grasp the bigger picture; they see the game, jersey, players and cup. And then they dream… What do young kids, for example, in Kerry have to dream about at all these days? Butter?

Transfers should be allowed…

foreveryoung (USA) - Posts: 2093 - 16/04/2022 13:53:59    2411105

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Replying To foreveryoung:  "Let's say Carlow win Liam, with a few ringers/transferees, whatever wanna call them from KK or Wexford, wouldn't that just raise the profile of the game? Kids wanting to be the next Cha Fitz or Jack Guiney, for example.

Elementary school kids are too young to grasp the bigger picture; they see the game, jersey, players and cup. And then they dream… What do young kids, for example, in Kerry have to dream about at all these days? Butter?

Transfers should be allowed…"
100%,,to see a fellow carlow /Laois man etc win an all Ireland would surely give young hurlers in fringe counties something to focus on and motivate them more to commit to the game.

Galway9801 (Galway) - Posts: 1942 - 16/04/2022 15:49:23    2411116

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Replying To Galway9801:  "100%,,to see a fellow carlow /Laois man etc win an all Ireland would surely give young hurlers in fringe counties something to focus on and motivate them more to commit to the game."
Maybe counties like Galway that have won very little should be allowed take players from stronger counties but I'm still against it.

carlovia (None) - Posts: 1522 - 16/04/2022 16:23:14    2411118

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Replying To carlovia:  "Maybe counties like Galway that have won very little should be allowed take players from stronger counties but I'm still against it."
Ouch

Galway9801 (Galway) - Posts: 1942 - 16/04/2022 16:42:29    2411119

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Replying To Galway9801:  "Ouch"
Bit of banter mate.

Couldn't resist.

carlovia (None) - Posts: 1522 - 16/04/2022 18:18:29    2411142

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I see some great young hurlers in my own county. It's very sad that they will never dine at the top table. Some sort of transfer system should be available for young lads like this...

liam500 (Wicklow) - Posts: 185 - 16/04/2022 20:41:49    2411216

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Replying To carlovia:  "Bit of banter mate.

Couldn't resist."
Haha well we won't be adding to our tally this year, going by yesterday's result.

Galway9801 (Galway) - Posts: 1942 - 17/04/2022 09:37:54    2411267

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