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Joe Mcdonagh Cup 2022

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I realise that there was politics behind this and it was the only way to get the round-robin provincial structure adopted but how is it fair letting the top two McDonagh teams into the last eight of the championship. It means that the likes of Westmeath could spend the next decade coming 4th or 5th in Leinster and never qualify for the knock-out stages but lesser teams in the McDonagh will qualify. They'd be better off being in the McDonagh and coming second every year as they'd always get into the last eight.

CeachtPeile (Cavan) - Posts: 135 - 22/05/2022 16:33:44    2419462

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McDonagh teams facilitated the provincial round robin. The preliminary quarter-final was the compromise.

legendzxix (Kerry) - Posts: 8788 - 22/05/2022 16:44:22    2419465

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All-Ireland Preliminary Quarter-finals:
Joe McDonagh winner (Antrim or Kerry) v Cork, Corrigan Park or Austin Stacks Park.
Joe McDonagh runner-up (Antrim or Kerry) v Wexford, Corrigan Park or Austin Stacks Park.

Munster Relegation Play-Off (if Kerry win the McDonagh):
Kerry v Tipperary, neutral venue, most likely Gaelic Grounds, Limerick.

legendzxix (Kerry) - Posts: 8788 - 22/05/2022 18:20:24    2419486

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Replying To legendzxix:  "2 of Antrim or Kerry or Laois
Carlow
Offaly
Down
Kildare

Kildare were a step above everyone in the Ring. While Meath found the McDonagh Cup tough going, are they going to be a step above everyone in the Ring as well?"
Just doesn't get any easier.

Kildare are have made huge strides over the past 10-15 years and at this point are a stronger side than Meath. There will be no clear favourites for relegation and a poor start will put teams in the thick of it.

Kerry's route to playing Munster SHC next is very tough and without disrespect to them I don't see it happening. It's a terrible rule, which should be scrapped. It's very similar to a few years back when the Div 2A winners had to play a playoff with the bottom team in Div 1.

Simplest thing would be to have 6 in Munster (like Leinster) by automatically adding Kerry if they win. If they finish 6th next year, then replace them with a non Leinster county if they win McDonagh (Antrim or Down) or just have 5 the next year,

TaosHum (Carlow) - Posts: 250 - 23/05/2022 08:07:53    2419561

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Replying To TaosHum:  "Just doesn't get any easier.

Kildare are have made huge strides over the past 10-15 years and at this point are a stronger side than Meath. There will be no clear favourites for relegation and a poor start will put teams in the thick of it.

Kerry's route to playing Munster SHC next is very tough and without disrespect to them I don't see it happening. It's a terrible rule, which should be scrapped. It's very similar to a few years back when the Div 2A winners had to play a playoff with the bottom team in Div 1.

Simplest thing would be to have 6 in Munster (like Leinster) by automatically adding Kerry if they win. If they finish 6th next year, then replace them with a non Leinster county if they win McDonagh (Antrim or Down) or just have 5 the next year,"
I'd agree with that. Leinster has paired up with Connaught. Munster could pair up with Ulster. A 15:17 county split. The teams from across the Irish Sea could be included on the Munster route.

legendzxix (Kerry) - Posts: 8788 - 23/05/2022 11:35:38    2419637

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Donal Og, not for the first time, now seems to have a grip with Kerry hurling. He said yesterday the one good thing to come out of Kerry being back in the Munster championship is it would highlight the abject failure of the Kerry CB in managing hurling over a 125 yrs and they would suffer fierce beatings.

While some of what he said is true it's not the first time he's made such comments about Kerry. Said something similar after the 2020 final. But then again he does/had a bit of a love in with Antrim.

I just wonder how he's still left on TV. He always seems to have some sort of agenda he's pushing. The Cork CB, "Team Ulster", focusing in on teams disaplin etc but ignoring others.

He's recent thing with Kerry is just very odd. Possibly he put his name in for the Kerry job and wasn't considered for it.

oneoff (UK) - Posts: 1625 - 23/05/2022 13:45:15    2419717

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Replying To oneoff:  "Donal Og, not for the first time, now seems to have a grip with Kerry hurling. He said yesterday the one good thing to come out of Kerry being back in the Munster championship is it would highlight the abject failure of the Kerry CB in managing hurling over a 125 yrs and they would suffer fierce beatings.

While some of what he said is true it's not the first time he's made such comments about Kerry. Said something similar after the 2020 final. But then again he does/had a bit of a love in with Antrim.

I just wonder how he's still left on TV. He always seems to have some sort of agenda he's pushing. The Cork CB, "Team Ulster", focusing in on teams disaplin etc but ignoring others.

He's recent thing with Kerry is just very odd. Possibly he put his name in for the Kerry job and wasn't considered for it."
Maybe so hard to k ow with him. Hes become such a TV personality that you would nearly forget he was a hurler in a past life at all.
They do have an AI title in hurling and a Munster the same year. And reached 5 other Munster finals. So they are not altogether historyless in hurling!

Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 15746 - 23/05/2022 14:09:30    2419728

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The Kerry Senior Club Champions Kilmoyley won the Munster Intermediate Club championship. Kerry are in the McDonagh final for the third year in a row. There's nothing wrong with being good at Tier 2 level. Kerry have not abandoned hurling like Kilkenny have abandoned football.

legendzxix (Kerry) - Posts: 8788 - 23/05/2022 14:19:47    2419734

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Replying To Past hurler:  "Two best teams are in the final

Kerry hammered Carlow out the gate in Dr Cullen Park by 15pts so they can have no complaints and if truth be told Kerry should have bet Offaly lasf week in Tralee.

Antrim will be a different animal in the final but what an achievement by Kerry to be contesting their 3rd Joe McDonagh final in a row."
Have to disagree with this. Yes Kerry "hammered Carlow out the gate" but that was one of the worst Carlow performances I ever saw. Nothing went right on the day & heads dropped very early. In fairness the real Carlow played in all the other 4 games. Against the supposed big 2 of Offaly & Antrim we beat Offaly in a potentially winners takes all game in Tullamore & we played a full strength Antrim in Belfast when they were looking for a win & we ran them to 3 points in a game that could have gone either way. Kerry beat a severely depleted Antrim when it meant nothing to them. I kind of take it as a complement that Antrim would throw the Kerry game as they didnt want to meet Carlow or Offaly in the final. I know it's up to every side to look after themselves but I was disappointed with Antrim fielding a weakened team. Look at Clare at the weekend & the performance they put in even though they had nothing to play for & were already in the Munster Final. But at the same time our non show against Kerry put us in that situation & we cant be expecting a favour from someone else. By the way I hope Kerry win the final now & it's some achievement to be in their 3rd final in a row. Best of luck

carlo (Carlow) - Posts: 262 - 24/05/2022 13:37:39    2419965

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Replying To carlo:  "Have to disagree with this. Yes Kerry "hammered Carlow out the gate" but that was one of the worst Carlow performances I ever saw. Nothing went right on the day & heads dropped very early. In fairness the real Carlow played in all the other 4 games. Against the supposed big 2 of Offaly & Antrim we beat Offaly in a potentially winners takes all game in Tullamore & we played a full strength Antrim in Belfast when they were looking for a win & we ran them to 3 points in a game that could have gone either way. Kerry beat a severely depleted Antrim when it meant nothing to them. I kind of take it as a complement that Antrim would throw the Kerry game as they didnt want to meet Carlow or Offaly in the final. I know it's up to every side to look after themselves but I was disappointed with Antrim fielding a weakened team. Look at Clare at the weekend & the performance they put in even though they had nothing to play for & were already in the Munster Final. But at the same time our non show against Kerry put us in that situation & we cant be expecting a favour from someone else. By the way I hope Kerry win the final now & it's some achievement to be in their 3rd final in a row. Best of luck"
I don't now why Antrim did that TBH. It was 100% their choice and they earned the right to do it, but the final is two weeks away, meaning some lads won't have played a competitive game since Meath, which is three weeks from the day of the final. Even that game was too competitive either.

Understand you run the risk of getting lads injured, but 3 weeks without a competitive game is a good stretch and lads might not be as sharp as they could be.

We'll find out in a couple of weeks, but I think Kerry could catch them.

TaosHum (Carlow) - Posts: 250 - 24/05/2022 14:01:16    2419970

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Replying To legendzxix:  "The Kerry Senior Club Champions Kilmoyley won the Munster Intermediate Club championship. Kerry are in the McDonagh final for the third year in a row. There's nothing wrong with being good at Tier 2 level. Kerry have not abandoned hurling like Kilkenny have abandoned football."
There was a great piece about/by Paul Murphy, all star hurler, and the attempts to build back up Kilkenny football a month or so ago. He's hoping to get them back up to div4 level. They've had footballers who have won Leinster Senior A titles with Good Counsel and of course back in time reached 8 Leinster Senior Football finals winning 3.

Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 15746 - 24/05/2022 14:27:50    2419985

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Replying To Viking66:  "There was a great piece about/by Paul Murphy, all star hurler, and the attempts to build back up Kilkenny football a month or so ago. He's hoping to get them back up to div4 level. They've had footballers who have won Leinster Senior A titles with Good Counsel and of course back in time reached 8 Leinster Senior Football finals winning 3."
Kilkenny do have football, it is not given priority in GAA minds. They do indeed have 3 Leinster titles, from way back in the 20th Century. There are dual players, but hurling takes precedence.

thelongridge (Offaly) - Posts: 1879 - 24/05/2022 14:51:51    2419993

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Replying To thelongridge:  "Kilkenny do have football, it is not given priority in GAA minds. They do indeed have 3 Leinster titles, from way back in the 20th Century. There are dual players, but hurling takes precedence."
For sure. Good luck to Paul Murphy in his quest. He must be a man who likes tough challenges. Was 1 of the best cornerbacks I ever saw play so I guess he's definitely not a quitter!!

Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 15746 - 24/05/2022 15:37:10    2420006

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Replying To oneoff:  "Donal Og, not for the first time, now seems to have a grip with Kerry hurling. He said yesterday the one good thing to come out of Kerry being back in the Munster championship is it would highlight the abject failure of the Kerry CB in managing hurling over a 125 yrs and they would suffer fierce beatings.

While some of what he said is true it's not the first time he's made such comments about Kerry. Said something similar after the 2020 final. But then again he does/had a bit of a love in with Antrim.

I just wonder how he's still left on TV. He always seems to have some sort of agenda he's pushing. The Cork CB, "Team Ulster", focusing in on teams disaplin etc but ignoring others.

He's recent thing with Kerry is just very odd. Possibly he put his name in for the Kerry job and wasn't considered for it."
Same could be applied to M Duignan who's response on the Sunday game live when asked about Carlow's victory was… fair dues to Carlow but it was Offaly's worst performance of the year by far!
Bitter response and no credit to Carlow given. He was obviously happy with their Meath performance so!
Somethings will never change despite Offaly loosing last two big games in Tullamore to Carlow in last 3 years, (2019 leave relegation final and last Saturday):

Carlowtothecore1 (Carlow) - Posts: 60 - 24/05/2022 15:47:26    2420009

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Replying To legendzxix:  "The Kerry Senior Club Champions Kilmoyley won the Munster Intermediate Club championship. Kerry are in the McDonagh final for the third year in a row. There's nothing wrong with being good at Tier 2 level. Kerry have not abandoned hurling like Kilkenny have abandoned football."
Kerry hurling is on a different planet to Kilkenny football.

Kerry hurlers played Division 1 hurling not so long ago, Kilkenny footballers will never reach that summit.

It would be like Kilkenny reaching the next 3 Tailteann Cup finals in a row to achieve what Kerry hurlers have done in the Joe McDonagh. Never going to happen.

You can never ever compared Kerry hurling to Kilkenny football because the comparison doesn't exist.

You could of course compare Kilkenny footballers to the likes of Louth & Monaghan hurling etc which are in division 4 and play in the Lory Meagher cup. The weakest grade in Ireland

Past hurler (None) - Posts: 926 - 24/05/2022 20:33:57    2420057

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Replying To Carlowtothecore1:  "Same could be applied to M Duignan who's response on the Sunday game live when asked about Carlow's victory was… fair dues to Carlow but it was Offaly's worst performance of the year by far!
Bitter response and no credit to Carlow given. He was obviously happy with their Meath performance so!
Somethings will never change despite Offaly loosing last two big games in Tullamore to Carlow in last 3 years, (2019 leave relegation final and last Saturday):"
Their hurlers prefer Birr

Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 15746 - 24/05/2022 20:45:29    2420060

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Replying To Past hurler:  "Kerry hurling is on a different planet to Kilkenny football.

Kerry hurlers played Division 1 hurling not so long ago, Kilkenny footballers will never reach that summit.

It would be like Kilkenny reaching the next 3 Tailteann Cup finals in a row to achieve what Kerry hurlers have done in the Joe McDonagh. Never going to happen.

You can never ever compared Kerry hurling to Kilkenny football because the comparison doesn't exist.

You could of course compare Kilkenny footballers to the likes of Louth & Monaghan hurling etc which are in division 4 and play in the Lory Meagher cup. The weakest grade in Ireland"
Kerry Hurlers beat the reigning AI champions Clare in div1 in 1995/6 league.

Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 15746 - 25/05/2022 09:52:02    2420087

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Replying To Carlowtothecore1:  "Same could be applied to M Duignan who's response on the Sunday game live when asked about Carlow's victory was… fair dues to Carlow but it was Offaly's worst performance of the year by far!
Bitter response and no credit to Carlow given. He was obviously happy with their Meath performance so!
Somethings will never change despite Offaly loosing last two big games in Tullamore to Carlow in last 3 years, (2019 leave relegation final and last Saturday):"
When Offaly were first relegated was he saying that they shouldn't have to go down?

I also find it odd how he's still on the Sunday Game when he's the Offaly chairman. I would have thought that would be against some sort of rule.

Anyway it seems the likes of Donal Og etc are all fir promoting hurling outside the top teams. Just as long as it doesn't effect their own counties.

oneoff (UK) - Posts: 1625 - 25/05/2022 09:55:55    2420088

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Replying To Past hurler:  "Kerry hurling is on a different planet to Kilkenny football.

Kerry hurlers played Division 1 hurling not so long ago, Kilkenny footballers will never reach that summit.

It would be like Kilkenny reaching the next 3 Tailteann Cup finals in a row to achieve what Kerry hurlers have done in the Joe McDonagh. Never going to happen.

You can never ever compared Kerry hurling to Kilkenny football because the comparison doesn't exist.

You could of course compare Kilkenny footballers to the likes of Louth & Monaghan hurling etc which are in division 4 and play in the Lory Meagher cup. The weakest grade in Ireland"
Agreed that Kerry hurling cannot be compared to Kilkenny football.
Donal Óg was putting up a smokescreen because it was Cork who inserted the clause for the relegation play-off.

legendzxix (Kerry) - Posts: 8788 - 25/05/2022 10:22:45    2420101

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Would be great if Kerry were to be included in the Munster championship if they were to beat Antrim but they won't come near to beating TIpp.

Truth be told Kerry would lose all their games in Munster but I think the experience of playing the top teams would stand to them in the long run. They are still a long way off the other teams in Munster or most of the other Div 1 teams but I'm sure they would like to have a crack at them if only for one year.

If they beat Antrim I think they deserve it. To be honest I think Antrim should be given a shot at going into the Liam McCarthy as well. They are probably that little bit ahead of Kerry at the moment.

aidan64 (Kerry) - Posts: 668 - 25/05/2022 10:40:57    2420105

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