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Wexford v Limerick All Ireland Final 2022

Think we have a great chance to 'shock' Clare and we will beat that KK team in Croke Park.

14/1 to reach the final....you heard it here first.

LarryOBrother (Wexford) - Posts: 328 - 09/06/2022 11:09:31    2423542

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Replying To Viking66:  "Yes there are flaws in the current system but overall it ticks most of the boxes it was designed to tick. I think it's working pretty well. None of the teams eliminated can complain. They all lost a minimum of 2 games, Dublin, and a maximum of 4, Tipp. Yes Cork and Kilkenny have lost twice also but they each beat at least 2 of the eliminated teams including Dublin, Tipp and Waterford."
I agree overall- this year hasnt been vintage but there would have been fierce excitement had Tipp pulled off a 6 point win (which looked possible early on) and Dublin beaten Galway in the final game which would have eliminated Kk.

Leaving out the glaring relegation/promotion issues - I think the one flaw is evident in all groups like this, is that the likes of Clare who were already through rightly decided to rest players which essentially should have given Waterford a big advanatage over Tipp. Tipp had to play Clare with everything to play for where as Waterford didnt. As is turned out though - it ended up not mattering at all. You see this in all sports with this format though and its often luck of the draw. If you cant finsih in the top 3 then there's no doubt you shouldnt progress to the All Ireland series.

tiobraid (Tipperary) - Posts: 3486 - 09/06/2022 11:19:58    2423549

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Replying To LarryOBrother:  "Wexford v Limerick All Ireland Final 2022

Think we have a great chance to 'shock' Clare and we will beat that KK team in Croke Park.

14/1 to reach the final....you heard it here first."
I admire your confidence but just can't see it happening. Hope I'm wrong

Afinestick (Wexford) - Posts: 612 - 09/06/2022 11:45:27    2423555

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Replying To tiobraid:  "Many people say the best game of hurling was the 2009 All Ireland - what does that say since it was 13 years ago? Not much in my opinion. The most talked about game last year by a distance was also the Munster final and for different reasons but still generated by far the most debate and discussions for a whole variety of reasons. Arguably both Tipp's and Limericks finest 35 mins of hurling. The big story for a chunk of 2019 was Wexford and if they could win the All Ireland and the level of hurling they were playing.

replying to the other poster: Expanding the Liam McCarthy or lumping the 11 teams into a CL format or two groups - what does it give you? Basically two groups similiar to what we already have with only one piece of silverware. Do people really think that leaving Offaly (for example0 in the Leinster cship for the last number of years would see them develop. if you were an Offaly hurler would you bother togging out to receive hammerings? I've experienced this as a player at club level and it does nothing for a club. Getting relegated was far better and getting a few years at a lower grade left us in a better position. Tullaroan in KK are a perfect example of this. Going up and down is not the answer I agree but if a team is getting beaten out the gate every year then the players will drop out and the supporters wont have much to shout about either.
Would my local club be better off playing Limerick every year or a grade they are suitable for? Which would they improve more by playing? I'm struggling to see how people cant understand the logic. It would be different if we had teams 10-15 being equal to teams 5-9 but currently they are simply no where near that."
While the 2009 final was a cracker, personally I thought the 2014 drawn game betweem KK and Tipp was an even better game. I'd go so far as to say that Tipp's performance that day was their best over that period because, unlike 2016, they were up against Kilkenny operating at their best.

midlands (Westmeath) - Posts: 386 - 09/06/2022 11:45:36    2423556

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Replying To tiobraid:  "I agree overall- this year hasnt been vintage but there would have been fierce excitement had Tipp pulled off a 6 point win (which looked possible early on) and Dublin beaten Galway in the final game which would have eliminated Kk.

Leaving out the glaring relegation/promotion issues - I think the one flaw is evident in all groups like this, is that the likes of Clare who were already through rightly decided to rest players which essentially should have given Waterford a big advanatage over Tipp. Tipp had to play Clare with everything to play for where as Waterford didnt. As is turned out though - it ended up not mattering at all. You see this in all sports with this format though and its often luck of the draw. If you cant finsih in the top 3 then there's no doubt you shouldnt progress to the All Ireland series."
There will always be hard cases, but your finally point is spot on., regardless of how the positions are decided even if on points difference.

I don't think anyone could really argue about the six teams who qualified. All did so on their merits including some really good performances on the back of poor ones.

The uncertainty going into the last day - which is almost guaranteed, adds greatly to the appeal of the current structure. Certainly miles ahead of the dreadful losers groups they had 20 odd years ago.

BarneyGrant (Dublin) - Posts: 655 - 09/06/2022 12:18:32    2423565

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Replying To baire:  "Agree totally, the halo on some so called 'analysts' is hilarious!"
I will answer you not the guy with his own agenda. I do watch t.v. replays like everyone else. Some are blatantly obvious like striking an opponent with the hurley with no ball in sight. However there are many where the offender has committed to the tackle or pulling on the ball and the opponent changes direction and gets hit. T.V. will replay these in slow motion and it makes look like it was deliberate or sufficient time to alter. Some t.v. analyst make up their mind based on that slow motion replay and stay with the opinion.
I really don't know what he is talking about recent discipline in the Waterford camp but not going to take the bait. Maybe he knows something I don't or went to all our games but anyway let it go over the head.

Canuck (Waterford) - Posts: 2104 - 09/06/2022 19:03:08    2423683

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Replying To Viking66:  "Yes there are flaws in the current system but overall it ticks most of the boxes it was designed to tick. I think it's working pretty well. None of the teams eliminated can complain. They all lost a minimum of 2 games, Dublin, and a maximum of 4, Tipp. Yes Cork and Kilkenny have lost twice also but they each beat at least 2 of the eliminated teams including Dublin, Tipp and Waterford."
Look we were horrible in the last two games and ended up where we deserved. We'll see do anyone else get closer in the championship other that Clare to Limerick. I will not offering excuses but I am not sure could any team afford to lose Prunty, Daly, DeBurca, Barron, Kiely and Bennett. One dropped and some injured and hurt after a few minutes. Never bought in to the panel could take care of it. Tipp also had a huge turn over with injuries and new faces. The best teams are going forward.
The debate about Munster and Leinster hurling. Some of the best games I watched in my life time were in the Leinster championship and I have no bias or arrogance towards Leinster teams. There is no point in being in denial. It is more difficult to advance in Munster. Certainly in the past but with the inclusion of Galway and an upsurge in Wexford and Dublin flashes, it is more competitive. Kilkenny went for years when they had one meaningful game to get to an All - Ireland, the semi. Wexford were down and Offaly dropped off also. Dublin were a lower division team most of the time before Daly arrived. During that time Kilkenny accumulated many All-Irelands and let me add beat the best of Munster to get them. We will never know if that path to the finals was because the Munster teams had leathered the hell out of each other on the way and allowed Kilkenny to be fresher. I am not taking from them because I honesty believe they are the greatest hurling county. Look at the list of greats produced. My prediction is if Limerick are to be dislodged this year it will be a by a Leinster team.

Canuck (Waterford) - Posts: 2104 - 09/06/2022 19:49:23    2423692

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Replying To LarryOBrother:  "Wexford v Limerick All Ireland Final 2022

Think we have a great chance to 'shock' Clare and we will beat that KK team in Croke Park.

14/1 to reach the final....you heard it here first."
If Wexford are in the semi, I would say they will be against Limerick and not Kilkenny. Croke Park would keep repeat meetings apart where possible.
A Wex V Lim semi would fill Croke Park.

Clubgaa (Limerick) - Posts: 875 - 09/06/2022 20:57:30    2423699

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Replying To BarneyGrant:  "There will always be hard cases, but your finally point is spot on., regardless of how the positions are decided even if on points difference.

I don't think anyone could really argue about the six teams who qualified. All did so on their merits including some really good performances on the back of poor ones.

The uncertainty going into the last day - which is almost guaranteed, adds greatly to the appeal of the current structure. Certainly miles ahead of the dreadful losers groups they had 20 odd years ago."
Yeah the uncertainty of the last day is great but it is not guaranteed either. It didn't happen in Munster and the final day was a whimper.
The only other thing I would say the GAA could do is do like the Wexford championship, 1st in group play 4th in the other, 2nd play 3rd in the other, 3rd play 2nd and 4th play 1st. But that eliminates the Joe McDonagh teams which means, theoretically, the whole Joe McDonagh cup team are playing for the All-Ireland championship. And its too many matches to eliminate 1/2 teams for me.

ExiledInWex (Dublin) - Posts: 195 - 09/06/2022 21:12:50    2423703

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Replying To tiobraid:  "I felt 5 teams in both cships was the correct amount as I felt that the likes of Laois would target only one game - similar to what teams done in the league. However, if the decision was 6 teams for Leinster (as it is) and Kerry won then they should definitely have been brought into the Munster cship next year and should they finish bottom of Munster cship next year then they should face the threat of relegation the same as the bottom team in Leinster. However, if the cship was 5 teams per province then Tipp should have been relegated this year - had Kerry won. I think Tipp had a very real fear of relegation this year. Playing poorly, morale low and players stopped training with many taking a break or playing football. A game against Kerry which nearly occurred was far from a foregone conclusion but Kerry should have refused to play the game regardless in my opinion.

I fully understand your question but there's a strong argument that Kerry and Antrim have a huge advantage over all 5 of the Munster sides also. They played weaker opposition and now find themselves in the latter stages of the All Ireland series. You can't compare Antrims path to the games Cork has played for example. Is that fair? Had Tipp been relegated this year and reached a Joe Mc final next season, there'd be uproar that that they had an "easy" path into the All Ireland series. I agree there's massive flaws in the system but can be argued a number of different ways."
Tiobraid

You make some very good points there.

it just seems odd that the so called big 8-9 teams can hammer each other and nobody cares but if the losing team is outside of that 8-9 there are calls to remove those teams from the championship.

Consider these:

2008 Kilkenny 3-30 Waterford 1-13 (23)
2009 Tipperary 6-19 Limerick 2-7 (24)
2011 Tipperary 7-19 Waterford 0-19 (21)
2012 Kilkenny 4-24 Tipperary 1-15 (18)
2014 Limerick 4-26 Wexford 1-9 (26)

In the 2012 Leinster final 30 minutes in Galway led Kilkenny 2-11 to 0-1.

I recall nobody looking for any of those sides who lost to be removed from the championship.

slayer (Limerick) - Posts: 6323 - 10/06/2022 08:24:42    2423708

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slayer, it is not a new problem that the top counties want to hang on to power lest some plucky upstarts from Laois or Westmeath or Carlow upset the apple cart that they've made for themselves.
If you exist in an echo chamber then you'll only hear what others around you say. In college I hurled with lads from counties like Laois, Offaly, Wicklow, Kerry, Mayo. Fitzgibbon was their All-Ireland because they never got a chance to hurl against the top counties and teams. Their stories of team mates at county level saying "why would I bother, even if we win the McDonagh we'll just be lambs to the slaughter in the Liam McCarthy and not one of the top counties care about that".
I have always said that these counties need to start winning at underage but the GAA don't seem to care enough about them to get enough full time coaches and games development officers in to many of these counties. I know it is up to the clubs to promote the games themselves but the County Board / GAA HQ can facilitate making this a little easier for them, if they want to.

StoreysTash (Wexford) - Posts: 1610 - 10/06/2022 11:40:17    2423741

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On Saturday when Hawk eye was not working. Did the referee go back to the umpire and ask him to make a decision. Wide or white flag.

Newyorkkat (Kilkenny) - Posts: 54 - 10/06/2022 13:54:04    2423775

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Replying To Newyorkkat:  "On Saturday when Hawk eye was not working. Did the referee go back to the umpire and ask him to make a decision. Wide or white flag."
They tossed a coin....best out of 3.

ExiledInWex (Dublin) - Posts: 195 - 10/06/2022 14:55:29    2423791

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Replying To Clubgaa:  "If Wexford are in the semi, I would say they will be against Limerick and not Kilkenny. Croke Park would keep repeat meetings apart where possible.
A Wex V Lim semi would fill Croke Park."
If Galway beat Cork or Antrim, and if we beat Kerry and Clare , we will definitely play Kilkenny.

Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 5275 - 10/06/2022 15:01:20    2423795

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I asked that question aswell,and I don't remember and decision being mentioned on the commentary..even in thurles on Sunday,when Hawkeye was used,I can't remember what decision was given..why are explanations not being given by the powers that be..

CTGAA10 (Limerick) - Posts: 1711 - 10/06/2022 15:03:24    2423796

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Replying To CTGAA10:  "I asked that question aswell,and I don't remember and decision being mentioned on the commentary..even in thurles on Sunday,when Hawkeye was used,I can't remember what decision was given..why are explanations not being given by the powers that be.."
The just want to keep you in suspense CTGAA10, tell you nothing those lads wouldn't.

StoreysTash (Wexford) - Posts: 1610 - 10/06/2022 16:40:01    2423810

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Replying To CTGAA10:  "I asked that question aswell,and I don't remember and decision being mentioned on the commentary..even in thurles on Sunday,when Hawkeye was used,I can't remember what decision was given..why are explanations not being given by the powers that be.."
If hawkeye can't decide its a point its signalled wide as the umpire couldn't decide real time if its over the bar. Hawkeye is used to confirm its a point. If the umpire isn't sure its a point and hawkeye can't either then the decision is its wide. In thurles hawkeye did confirm it was wide as the old scoreboard flashed "níl" . Hawkeye was correctly in use in thurles.

daveboy (Limerick) - Posts: 797 - 10/06/2022 16:59:13    2423813

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Replying To StoreysTash:  "slayer, it is not a new problem that the top counties want to hang on to power lest some plucky upstarts from Laois or Westmeath or Carlow upset the apple cart that they've made for themselves.
If you exist in an echo chamber then you'll only hear what others around you say. In college I hurled with lads from counties like Laois, Offaly, Wicklow, Kerry, Mayo. Fitzgibbon was their All-Ireland because they never got a chance to hurl against the top counties and teams. Their stories of team mates at county level saying "why would I bother, even if we win the McDonagh we'll just be lambs to the slaughter in the Liam McCarthy and not one of the top counties care about that".
I have always said that these counties need to start winning at underage but the GAA don't seem to care enough about them to get enough full time coaches and games development officers in to many of these counties. I know it is up to the clubs to promote the games themselves but the County Board / GAA HQ can facilitate making this a little easier for them, if they want to."
There is a lot in what you are saying for sure. The new system while entertaining is as badly flawed as what went before it. Firstly it is said over and over the league doe not matter. Ask us. Why continue with something that does not matter. Money ? Not sure but that argument is obsolete.
1.Scrap the league and other excuse me competitions.
2. Form three divisions with two up and two down.
3. Joe McDonagh gone. The bottom end of each division will get to play teams of their own caliber getting points while getting the experience to play better teams and start to pick off teams above them. If they are up and down it is because not doing enough or not good enough. The next division has the opportunity to pick them off.
4. If the provincial championship is two hard to let go let the two top teams from the province play for it.
The championship starts in March or go with club first and finish the inter county by the middle of Sept. Games may even get closer to each other than now but if you are carrying a panel of two teams manage it.

Canuck (Waterford) - Posts: 2104 - 10/06/2022 17:39:07    2423825

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Hawk eye is a joke and needs to be fixed. It's actually not following correct GAA rules either. If the ball breaks the 'plain of the line' it's signalled a point by Hawkeye.. Thats wrong. The whole of the ball or sliotar has to cross all of the line for it to be a score according to the rules. So when you see goalies stopping points going over they are being give as points even though its obvious that many of them are on or not completely over the line.

bloodyban (Limerick) - Posts: 1689 - 10/06/2022 18:11:03    2423831

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Replying To Canuck:  "There is a lot in what you are saying for sure. The new system while entertaining is as badly flawed as what went before it. Firstly it is said over and over the league doe not matter. Ask us. Why continue with something that does not matter. Money ? Not sure but that argument is obsolete.
1.Scrap the league and other excuse me competitions.
2. Form three divisions with two up and two down.
3. Joe McDonagh gone. The bottom end of each division will get to play teams of their own caliber getting points while getting the experience to play better teams and start to pick off teams above them. If they are up and down it is because not doing enough or not good enough. The next division has the opportunity to pick them off.
4. If the provincial championship is two hard to let go let the two top teams from the province play for it.
The championship starts in March or go with club first and finish the inter county by the middle of Sept. Games may even get closer to each other than now but if you are carrying a panel of two teams manage it."
The League is what it is. The second most important title in the year. Same as it always was. Did you not feel a bit of joy when you won it this year? I know I would but then I was only 2 the last time we won one. Only problem with it this year was the gap to championship was only 2 weeks. I don't get why lads continuously want to change structures for no good reason. The Joe Mac is a great competition. Ask anybody from the counties in it. Why should it be scrapped because a few big counties are out of the championship after 4 games? Years ago counties often only got 1 championship game.

Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 5275 - 10/06/2022 19:01:28    2423836

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