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Replying To Cockney_Cat:  "But it didn't work."
9 years in operation and only once has that happened and there is nothing to suggest that it didn't work for the rest of the game. Given that it works for every second of the game after all those games is it really a big topic of discussion? So after 9 years and god knows how many minutes of operation lads want to complain - no pleasing some

zinny (Wexford) - Posts: 1432 - 07/06/2022 11:55:20    2422940

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Replying To Rockies:  "Still better than umpires. Some of the umpiring decisions this year, in various games, have been shocking. Either, the umpires need an eye test or are just plain incompetent!"
Agree with you Rockies, I remember a league match in Wexford Park a few years ago and I was in the 2nd row of the stand. John Keenan was refereeing and a Cork player took a shot and it was at least 2 if not 3 ft wide. When the umpire headed for the flag, the Wexford crowd went bezerk. Luckily, Barry Kelly was doing the line furiously waving his hands to tell the umpire and the point was disallowed.
It was the worst umpiring I have ever seen and I hope he was off duty on Sunday.
I never bought the "he has been with the referee all along" mantra. That doesn't mean they are up to making massive decisions in a inter county match. Umpires should be club referees at least in the inter county game, or even better young up and coming or Ring/Rackard/Meaher cup referees.

ExiledInWex (Dublin) - Posts: 195 - 07/06/2022 12:13:36    2422956

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Replying To Joe10:  "The leinster hurling championship was so poor quality comparing with match yesterday,
19 frees given by wexford ref???
And grumpy manager on the sideline,
What a miserable show, glad we didn't spend our money at that rubbish
Come on wexford, take a few pointers from Lee chin, get over it.
Spectacular show yesterday, that's what we want to see not rubbish matches from leinster"
Or more accurately, 19 frees conceded by Galway. James Owens wasn't doing the fouling.

ExiledInWex (Dublin) - Posts: 195 - 07/06/2022 12:14:38    2422957

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On Sunday's match also, I don't think the Peter Duggan or Rory Hayes incidents should be over looked as nothing to see here. The Duggan one was particularly nasty.
And I played hurling in an era where lash ash first ask questions later was the dogma.
But the GAA won't do it even though the referee dealt with neither incident.

ExiledInWex (Dublin) - Posts: 195 - 07/06/2022 12:20:54    2422962

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Zinny if something you pay money for doesn't work all the time,what do you do??i asked what was the result on Saturday night,when no data available appeared,was the score given??do you not think it's unusual that explanations are not being given..

CTGAA10 (Limerick) - Posts: 1712 - 07/06/2022 12:33:38    2422970

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Replying To zinny:  "9 years in operation and only once has that happened and there is nothing to suggest that it didn't work for the rest of the game. Given that it works for every second of the game after all those games is it really a big topic of discussion? So after 9 years and god knows how many minutes of operation lads want to complain - no pleasing some"
Once?
It didn't work in the U20 AI Hurling Final.
It didn't work in the Leinster Hurling Final.
It didn't work in the Munter Hurling Final.

Cockney_Cat (UK) - Posts: 1749 - 07/06/2022 12:54:11    2422980

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Replying To CTGAA10:  "Zinny if something you pay money for doesn't work all the time,what do you do??i asked what was the result on Saturday night,when no data available appeared,was the score given??do you not think it's unusual that explanations are not being given.."
It does smack of something to hide at this stage. If they didn't want the public to see the graphic they shouldn't have started showing it in the 1st place.

Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 5275 - 07/06/2022 12:59:03    2422984

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Replying To ExiledInWex:  "On Sunday's match also, I don't think the Peter Duggan or Rory Hayes incidents should be over looked as nothing to see here. The Duggan one was particularly nasty.
And I played hurling in an era where lash ash first ask questions later was the dogma.
But the GAA won't do it even though the referee dealt with neither incident."
I hope you are right on no action, dirty play is so not in Peters game he takes an amount of punishment on & off ball doesn't get numerous frees, the the last one with Sean Finn i would be amazed if he had meant to strike his eyes followed ball all the time it has never been in his locker before id say in Club & County I have seen him send off once on 2 yellow cards that's all

Rory's pull on Flanagan was a bit stupid but Flanagan diden't even appear to notice.

clooney (Clare) - Posts: 746 - 07/06/2022 13:03:36    2422990

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Replying To clooney:  "I hope you are right on no action, dirty play is so not in Peters game he takes an amount of punishment on & off ball doesn't get numerous frees, the the last one with Sean Finn i would be amazed if he had meant to strike his eyes followed ball all the time it has never been in his locker before id say in Club & County I have seen him send off once on 2 yellow cards that's all

Rory's pull on Flanagan was a bit stupid but Flanagan diden't even appear to notice."
The Peter Duggan we saw last Sunday was not how you describe him. He was constantly roaring and shouting at the ref and linesman, belting his hurley of the ground and all that as well as the strikes on Limerick players. If a Limerick player behaved like that the internet would be brought down with comments.

Clubgaa (Limerick) - Posts: 875 - 07/06/2022 13:32:41    2423016

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Replying To clooney:  "I hope you are right on no action, dirty play is so not in Peters game he takes an amount of punishment on & off ball doesn't get numerous frees, the the last one with Sean Finn i would be amazed if he had meant to strike his eyes followed ball all the time it has never been in his locker before id say in Club & County I have seen him send off once on 2 yellow cards that's all

Rory's pull on Flanagan was a bit stupid but Flanagan diden't even appear to notice."
Clare lads did it, nothing to see here....hypocrisy.

updwell (Limerick) - Posts: 657 - 07/06/2022 13:53:04    2423033

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Replying To Clubgaa:  "The Peter Duggan we saw last Sunday was not how you describe him. He was constantly roaring and shouting at the ref and linesman, belting his hurley of the ground and all that as well as the strikes on Limerick players. If a Limerick player behaved like that the internet would be brought down with comments."
I have seen him hurl since he was 12 no point in ranting at Clare because of how Limerick are perceived that's not Clares fault.
You are at the top of the tree in hurling 4 Munster titles in a row 3 All Irelands last Sunday was acclaimed by most as one of the best Munster Finals in memory yet all Limerick posters can take out of it is this.

By their own admission many Limerick players live on the edge but are great hurlers do you want to win every game by 20 Points like last years All Ireland without being tested twice in this years championship both matches to live in memory

I will remember this match for reasons such as supporters mixing in Thurles without a word of rancour tremendous atmosphere brilliant game of manly hurling display of many hurlers on both sides the wonder of Tony Kelly.

Also I wish Cian Lynch well on his recovery because he is another brilliant hurler

clooney (Clare) - Posts: 746 - 07/06/2022 14:22:18    2423047

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Replying To clooney:  "I hope you are right on no action, dirty play is so not in Peters game he takes an amount of punishment on & off ball doesn't get numerous frees, the the last one with Sean Finn i would be amazed if he had meant to strike his eyes followed ball all the time it has never been in his locker before id say in Club & County I have seen him send off once on 2 yellow cards that's all

Rory's pull on Flanagan was a bit stupid but Flanagan diden't even appear to notice."
The CCCC will investigate the 3 incidents involving Duggan and Hayes as per the examiner. The one on Finn was filthy and dangerous. Hayes one on Flanagan was hard to believe. The fact seamus didn't notice doesn't make it ok to use his back like a wood chopping block.

daveboy (Limerick) - Posts: 797 - 07/06/2022 14:25:55    2423049

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Replying To updwell:  "Clare lads did it, nothing to see here....hypocrisy."
Its hypocrisy if you're bringing it up also! I actually didnt see the incident but I'm baffled by the Hayes one. Like the Galway stamp - it doesnt get much sillier than that. Hayes spent far too often yards and yards off Flanagan.

I shouldnt be surprised that the forum is more about the incidents and the Munster-Leinster debate than actually talking a great game.
The two last scores in normal time were up there with the very best and by two players who highlight all that is great about Limerick, Clare and Munster hurling. Neither ever have any form of controversery about them and are two of the all time great players.

tiobraid (Tipperary) - Posts: 3486 - 07/06/2022 14:41:04    2423056

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Replying To Viking66:  "It does smack of something to hide at this stage. If they didn't want the public to see the graphic they shouldn't have started showing it in the 1st place."
Look my guess of this technology is it is probably outdated as the penny farthing bike. I have been involved with similar types of imaging and sensing. It is out dated the day you are installing it. Never mind years later.

Canuck (Waterford) - Posts: 2105 - 07/06/2022 14:52:13    2423067

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I am going to take the positives of Sunday. Players on both sides got on with it and were not doing simulations. Peter Duggan was doing a bit of yapping that could have been dealt with easy. I don't want him sent off for it but put the ball on his 21yd line for a free and see how quick he will shut up.
Sounding like a broken record officiating in hurling is set up to fail. The speed of the athletes and travel of the ball makes it impossible to control. Keenan would not keep up to it on a bike and the others have no authority or interest in controlling any thing. In fairness in that game on Sunday there were not many missed. Actually many more less than balls driven wide from scoring positions. I hate these cards ruining the game. Categorize the fouls. Dangerous play obviously a free. Striking a player during play free move to the 21. Continuous fouling by same player 21 again. Stiking a player off the ball straight sending off etc.etc. These players are smart and will quickly get consequences. Let alone managers not putting up with giving away definite scores.

Canuck (Waterford) - Posts: 2105 - 07/06/2022 15:18:48    2423088

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Replying To tiobraid:  "Its hypocrisy if you're bringing it up also! I actually didnt see the incident but I'm baffled by the Hayes one. Like the Galway stamp - it doesnt get much sillier than that. Hayes spent far too often yards and yards off Flanagan.

I shouldnt be surprised that the forum is more about the incidents and the Munster-Leinster debate than actually talking a great game.
The two last scores in normal time were up there with the very best and by two players who highlight all that is great about Limerick, Clare and Munster hurling. Neither ever have any form of controversery about them and are two of the all time great players."
Spot on Tiobraid. 2 great hurlers and 2 great points.

Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 5275 - 07/06/2022 15:23:59    2423093

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Replying To tiobraid:  "Its hypocrisy if you're bringing it up also! I actually didnt see the incident but I'm baffled by the Hayes one. Like the Galway stamp - it doesnt get much sillier than that. Hayes spent far too often yards and yards off Flanagan.

I shouldnt be surprised that the forum is more about the incidents and the Munster-Leinster debate than actually talking a great game.
The two last scores in normal time were up there with the very best and by two players who highlight all that is great about Limerick, Clare and Munster hurling. Neither ever have any form of controversery about them and are two of the all time great players."
You've spent many a post discussing the Liberal use of the hurley by certain limerick players and you've a certain fascination with one. There was use of the hurley outside the laws of the game Sunday that should be discussed and correctly will be reviewed. There's been plenty of very positive comments on what was one of the best matches/atmospheres I've ever seen. Reminded me of the 90s and the 2009 AI final. It was a pleasure to be there. Clare are an extremely likeable team but should be treated the same as everyone. Personally as I've said in an earlier post I'd leave what happened out there. It was one of those sort of days. But the media seem v hell bent on infractions all year so to be consistent this will get air time.

daveboy (Limerick) - Posts: 797 - 07/06/2022 15:29:35    2423097

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Replying To daveboy:  "You've spent many a post discussing the Liberal use of the hurley by certain limerick players and you've a certain fascination with one. There was use of the hurley outside the laws of the game Sunday that should be discussed and correctly will be reviewed. There's been plenty of very positive comments on what was one of the best matches/atmospheres I've ever seen. Reminded me of the 90s and the 2009 AI final. It was a pleasure to be there. Clare are an extremely likeable team but should be treated the same as everyone. Personally as I've said in an earlier post I'd leave what happened out there. It was one of those sort of days. But the media seem v hell bent on infractions all year so to be consistent this will get air time."
I had a look at the Duggan incident and I didnt see either that or the Hayes incident at the time. Was it highlighted after or did I just miss them? I'm not sure which player youre talkng about as S Flanagan, Gillane and G Hegarty all have been involved in more than one incident the last couple of years and I have issue with the fact the refs bottled all the major incidents. Having now googled and seen the Duggan incident, I do think he will get a ban but hardly any more deserving than other players who at most got a yellow the last two years. It was a red card also - no doubt and Duggan has had it coming this year. His attitude this year has been massively different than the Peter Duggan I remember. Consistently laughing in players faces so I dont feel sorry for him. He's a player like Gillane or Barrett - if you have him on your side you love him - the opposite if with the opposition.

tiobraid (Tipperary) - Posts: 3486 - 07/06/2022 15:52:19    2423111

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Replying To tiobraid:  "Its hypocrisy if you're bringing it up also! I actually didnt see the incident but I'm baffled by the Hayes one. Like the Galway stamp - it doesnt get much sillier than that. Hayes spent far too often yards and yards off Flanagan.

I shouldnt be surprised that the forum is more about the incidents and the Munster-Leinster debate than actually talking a great game.
The two last scores in normal time were up there with the very best and by two players who highlight all that is great about Limerick, Clare and Munster hurling. Neither ever have any form of controversery about them and are two of the all time great players."
The hypocrisy here is that Limerick incident have been highlighted(and rightly so sometimes) but the Clare poster was happy for everyone to move on from those Clare incidents last Sunday. Believe me we would have been happy to move on from some of our incident in the past but we couldn't and it keeps being thrown at us. Limerick aren't making an issue of this any more than any other county has against us. Would you not agree that all incidents should be judged equally and under the same criteria?
As for the brilliant match itself it was a pleasure to be there and ref should be praised on his reffing and going forward we hopefully will get games like this. Limerick stood up to those incidents on Sunday and got on with it, maybe that's a lesson for others, winners don't dive and roll around looking for bookings and just rise above it.

updwell (Limerick) - Posts: 657 - 07/06/2022 17:19:22    2423154

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Replying To daveboy:  "You've spent many a post discussing the Liberal use of the hurley by certain limerick players and you've a certain fascination with one. There was use of the hurley outside the laws of the game Sunday that should be discussed and correctly will be reviewed. There's been plenty of very positive comments on what was one of the best matches/atmospheres I've ever seen. Reminded me of the 90s and the 2009 AI final. It was a pleasure to be there. Clare are an extremely likeable team but should be treated the same as everyone. Personally as I've said in an earlier post I'd leave what happened out there. It was one of those sort of days. But the media seem v hell bent on infractions all year so to be consistent this will get air time."
Personally l don't take too much notice of t.v.replays. Why ? Because they are incorrect often. Slowing down frames and making the fouled contact look deliberate that is no way close to what occurred. The media and commentators once they go down a certain road with an incident will stick with their initial flawed analysis. Sunday was the nearest thing to a hurling match I have seen in years. Were a few things missed ? Probably but that may be the trade off in getting a competitive hard played game. Some of these analyst make me laugh. They want players carded, sent off while when they played themselves would take your head off. One springs to mind quickly.

Canuck (Waterford) - Posts: 2105 - 07/06/2022 18:34:44    2423179

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