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Replying To ExiledInWex:  "I got 5 texts from people I used to hurl with in Dublin saying "Davy angling for the job here"......."
As a Wexford fan I hope he doesn't get the job. From Dublins point of view there would be no better man.

Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 5313 - 24/05/2022 15:32:33    2420002

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Replying To ExiledInWex:  "I think the total opposite. I think the Munster counties will all be more battle hardened when they get to Croke Park by having 4 top matches.
You can argue about the 4th team in Munster all you want but we have this format because of the Munster counties.
I for one don't think a format which has Tipp, Waterford, Dublin and Westmeath out by the end of May serves hurling best. Now is the first time in the year the GAA has their soap box and in 2 months there will be 7 hurling matches? Crazy stuff.
But the format does nothing for counties wanting to make progress in the game either."
Plenty of club League hurling going on down here ExiledInWex

Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 5313 - 24/05/2022 15:34:15    2420004

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daveboy/Viking,
I am in a club in Wexford so not approaching it from a "tradition" viewpoint. In my club, people would say I am radical to a fault!
As somebody said on that other thread, there is 9-10 weeks to the All-Ireland final. A round robin should be starting now, 5 weeks, and then quarter final, semi final, final. It could have started a few weeks back to incorporate rest weeks.
Even if Wexford are starting their club action in July, yes it brings certainty but the club league matches would have been going on anyway, so there is still a 2 month gap of meaningful action.
I don't envy those in positions of power but to me, the time of year when GAA was the key focus has been lost now.

ExiledInWex (Dublin) - Posts: 210 - 24/05/2022 15:55:58    2420011

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Replying To ExiledInWex:  "daveboy/Viking,
I am in a club in Wexford so not approaching it from a "tradition" viewpoint. In my club, people would say I am radical to a fault!
As somebody said on that other thread, there is 9-10 weeks to the All-Ireland final. A round robin should be starting now, 5 weeks, and then quarter final, semi final, final. It could have started a few weeks back to incorporate rest weeks.
Even if Wexford are starting their club action in July, yes it brings certainty but the club league matches would have been going on anyway, so there is still a 2 month gap of meaningful action.
I don't envy those in positions of power but to me, the time of year when GAA was the key focus has been lost now."
You can't do a round Robin in 5 weeks.

daveboy (Limerick) - Posts: 801 - 24/05/2022 16:07:50    2420015

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Replying To LohansRedHelmet:  "I love the current format. Now that might have much to do with Clare's super record in the RR (12 games, 8 wins, 1 draw and 3 losses).

I love the buzz in Ennis on Championship day and the atmosphere generated. I love travelling away to play other Munster teams. I dont want to give that up now. Instead of playing in Cork, Limerick and Thurles every day isnt is great to go to Ennis and Walsh Park in the Munster championship. Its great to see the fans mixing and socialising after the games.

It also tends in the main to ensure the best teams qualify. The top 3 in Munster are certainly the best teams in Munster. You could possibly argue that Dublin are hard done by in Leinster having beaten Wexford but unfortunately if you don't do your job you run the risk of being eliminated and the Dubs were poor against KK and Galway, two games that decided their fate.

The only thing for me is Munster teams are seriously disadvantaged against when compared to Leinster teams as there is an imbalance in quality between the provinces. Before I am attacked, I am not saying the Leinster Championship is less enjoyable but the better teams on a whole are in Munster as evidenced by the last two All Ireland finals being contested by Munster teams.

As a result, the 4th placed Munster team is potentially a better team than 2nd or 3rd in Leinster in any given year. There is no way around this though as the Munster council will protect the Munster championship at all costs. Unless of course Kerry beat Tipp, I would imagine there would be a scramble to restructure then.

All in all there is never going to be a system we agree on, but this format for me is the best we had."
Looks like the munster championship has been diluted a good bit by the hammerings of Tipperary and Waterford.
Limerick must still be favourites to lift Liam but i will predict that there will be some surprise results before the final.

Samson55 (Wexford) - Posts: 103 - 24/05/2022 16:09:34    2420017

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Replying To ExiledInWex:  "daveboy/Viking,
I am in a club in Wexford so not approaching it from a "tradition" viewpoint. In my club, people would say I am radical to a fault!
As somebody said on that other thread, there is 9-10 weeks to the All-Ireland final. A round robin should be starting now, 5 weeks, and then quarter final, semi final, final. It could have started a few weeks back to incorporate rest weeks.
Even if Wexford are starting their club action in July, yes it brings certainty but the club league matches would have been going on anyway, so there is still a 2 month gap of meaningful action.
I don't envy those in positions of power but to me, the time of year when GAA was the key focus has been lost now."
From a club perspective that 6-8 week gap between league and championship is crucial to get what you want in place for the championship. Most clubs play league to get game time, look at fringe players and build up a block of meaningful stats to analyse ahead of your lead in to championship. Most clubs play each other in league and championship so wouldn't be giving much away and then organise meaningful challenge matches inside and preferably outside the county to work on the shape and tactics for the championship. All this while keeping county lads informed.

The championship then is played in better conditions retaining more players. The inter County may be condensed but its condensed with matches. Previously you'd flog lads November December January February. Play league. Go back to club. Back to county. 6 - 8 weeks before championship. Then championship to September. That's nearly 11 months. Inter County hurlers don't want that anymore. Then club championship in October November December. Trust me club hurlers don't want that either.

daveboy (Limerick) - Posts: 801 - 24/05/2022 16:17:16    2420018

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Replying To LohansRedHelmet:  "I love the current format. Now that might have much to do with Clare's super record in the RR (12 games, 8 wins, 1 draw and 3 losses).

I love the buzz in Ennis on Championship day and the atmosphere generated. I love travelling away to play other Munster teams. I dont want to give that up now. Instead of playing in Cork, Limerick and Thurles every day isnt is great to go to Ennis and Walsh Park in the Munster championship. Its great to see the fans mixing and socialising after the games.

It also tends in the main to ensure the best teams qualify. The top 3 in Munster are certainly the best teams in Munster. You could possibly argue that Dublin are hard done by in Leinster having beaten Wexford but unfortunately if you don't do your job you run the risk of being eliminated and the Dubs were poor against KK and Galway, two games that decided their fate.

The only thing for me is Munster teams are seriously disadvantaged against when compared to Leinster teams as there is an imbalance in quality between the provinces. Before I am attacked, I am not saying the Leinster Championship is less enjoyable but the better teams on a whole are in Munster as evidenced by the last two All Ireland finals being contested by Munster teams.

As a result, the 4th placed Munster team is potentially a better team than 2nd or 3rd in Leinster in any given year. There is no way around this though as the Munster council will protect the Munster championship at all costs. Unless of course Kerry beat Tipp, I would imagine there would be a scramble to restructure then.

All in all there is never going to be a system we agree on, but this format for me is the best we had."
LohansRedHelmet you are usually bang on with your assessments but I don't agree that the Munster counties are in any way disadvantaged.
In it's current format if you can't get into the top 3 in your own province you get what you deserve.
There will always be sides that go through a transitional period and will dip for a year or two and sides that have an exceptional bunch of lads for a similar period. At present Limerick are a small bit ahead of the pack but after them there is very little to choose between the teams.
When it was introduced I had misgivings about the provincial roundrobin format as you can get teams who have lost 3 championship matches and still win an All Ireland. This is still the case but on balance, I think its been a success for the county players, the supporters, RTE/SKY and of course as a revenue generator.
Personally, I would prefer the provincial and all Ireland championships to be completely independent of eachother. Radical as it is, I think the all Ireland should revert back to a purely knockout competition. 12 teams (the 4 provincial finalists excluded from the first round). After that a completely open draw.
Finally, whatever way results go, the reality is none of the big 5 in Munster will ever be excluded from the championship or the provincial competition. Should Kerry go on to play Tipp and beat them, there will be no manner of shenanigans resulting in 6 teams in the Munster round robin. Why not just remove that possibility (as unlikely as it might be) and let Kerry in now. Yes they will take a battering or three, but doesn't that happen already with counties in football?

Ej (Wexford) - Posts: 355 - 24/05/2022 17:16:06    2420034

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Replying To LohansRedHelmet:  "Davy was auditioning for the Dublin job last Sunday"
Probably the only ones who could afford him!

Bon (Kildare) - Posts: 1599 - 24/05/2022 17:17:13    2420035

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Replying To LohansRedHelmet:  "Davy was auditioning for the Dublin job last Sunday"
Probably the only ones who could afford him!

Bon (Kildare) - Posts: 1599 - 24/05/2022 17:17:13    2420036

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Replying To ExiledInWex:  "daveboy/Viking,
I am in a club in Wexford so not approaching it from a "tradition" viewpoint. In my club, people would say I am radical to a fault!
As somebody said on that other thread, there is 9-10 weeks to the All-Ireland final. A round robin should be starting now, 5 weeks, and then quarter final, semi final, final. It could have started a few weeks back to incorporate rest weeks.
Even if Wexford are starting their club action in July, yes it brings certainty but the club league matches would have been going on anyway, so there is still a 2 month gap of meaningful action.
I don't envy those in positions of power but to me, the time of year when GAA was the key focus has been lost now."
In what way lost?
Of course there are 8 and a half weeks to the AIF. The provincial finals won't be completed for another week and a half! It takes it takes 3 months to run the intercounty hurling championship . 6 weeks for the round robin. 2 week break to the finals. 2 weeks to the QFs. Etc.
I am as traditional as they come. I remember back in the early 90s numerous counties only had 1 game and were gone by around now.

Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 5313 - 24/05/2022 20:27:16    2420056

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I think the current format is the best we've had. For years, senior inter-county players complained about the training sessions-to-games ratio. In the past, it was harsh on lads who had trained since before Christmas to be only guaranteed two Championship matches. Introducing the round-robin helped to address this issue, as well as meaning more home-and-away games at venues (Including pitches that didn't usually host big games like Cusack Park and Walsh Park). Another advantage of the round-robin is that league formats generally reward consistency; it's very hard to fluke your way to the top of a league table.

However, I don't like the way that some teams are now done for the year and we haven't even reached the last week-end in May. In Tipperary's case, it's fair as they lost four games out of four. But had Waterford won on Sunday, we would have had a situation where a team had won two games out of four in the round-robin yet were out of the Championship on May 22nd! Here's how I would address it:

Qualifiers R1: 4th place in Munster plays 4th place in Leinster at a neutral venue

Qualifiers R2: Winner of R1 match plays away to 3rd place from the other province
Other 3rd place team plays away to Joe McDonagh Cup winners

Winners of the two R2 matches advance to the QFs

I think this proposal would improve things for a number of reasons. Firstly, I don't think the Joe McDonagh losers should be in the All-Ireland Championship. As things stand, they have to play a Preliminary Quarter-Final against a fresh top-tier team 6/7 days after losing their biggest game of the year. Westmeath lost heavily enough to Wexford and Cork in 2018 and 2019; these teams aren't in a fit state of mind to play these games and they shouldn't be in the competition in the first place.

People talk about how Munster is stronger than Leinster; if that's the case, making the two 4th place teams play against each other and then having the winner play 3rd place from the other province allows the stronger province to have more teams make the back-end of the All-Ireland Championship. Hypothetically, this year we would have had Waterford versus Dublin. If Waterford had have won, they would have been away to Wexford; if Dublin had have won, they would have been away to Cork. If Munster is the stronger province, the above format would allow Munster to have 4 of their teams make the Final 6.

One potential concern is that allowing 4th place teams another chance rewards failure. In Waterford's case, they lost 3 out of 4 so the point initially seems valid. But let's look at previous 4th place teams in the round-robin era:

2018: Dublin (Won 1 and Lost 3 but lost the 3 games by 2 points, 2 points, and 1 point)
2018: Tipperary (Drew 2 and Lost 2 but lost the two games by 7 points and 2 points)
2019: Galway (Won 2, Drew 1, and Lost 1; Lost the one game by 5 points)
2019: Clare (Won 2 and Lost 2)
2022: Dublin (Won 3 and Lost 2)

Admittedly, Leinster has always had Offaly/Carlow/Laois/Westmeath which would skew things but the 4th placed teams have generally not been regularly hopped off. In some of the cases, like Galway in 2019, eliminating them for coming 4th seemed excessivly harsh. And besides, for a 4th place team to win the All-Ireland under my proposed format, they'd have to win 5 consecutive knock-out games. Yes, it gives teams who haven't had the best year so far another chance but fair play to them if they take that chance!

ElGranSenor (Wexford) - Posts: 20 - 24/05/2022 20:36:07    2420058

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Considered deleting my account and going into hiding the last few days! An awful year forTipp - multiple hammerings and non performances. Led the All Ireland champions for over an hour in a game that was played at a January training match intensity. I fully expected we'd have enough for Cork at the weekend - talent may be an issue but once again a huge issue with general fitness was very obvious to see. For whatever reason the likes of Barry Hefferenan, Dan McCormack and many more once again looked like their fitness levels are massively below whats required. At the time of the Tipp penalty i swtiched over to see Clare 8 points to 1 up and had the penalty gone in Tipp would be going through had results stayed the same (albeit very early in the game). A 6 point Tipp win at that stage looked very possible. There has been a roll over of one or two of the backroom team from the Liam Sheedy era and I think they need to go now as the same failings were obvious again this year - if you dont have a base level of basic fitness you can forget about it. Beaten and well beaten by all 5 Munster counties in 2022 incl Kerry and the possibility of a relegation game with Kerry - years dont get much worse and Kerry would fancy their chances.
Should Tipp lose they will likely have a far easier path into the 2023 All Ireland series as you'd expect them to win the Joe McDonagh should they be relegated. As I said previously thats a joke. I also said that I dont agree with the 6 team Leinster cship but if theres a 6 team Leinster then why not have a 6 team Munster?

I see many people saying they didnt buy into the hype around Waterford. The hype in my opinion was justified. They had clearly been the closest to Limerick for the last 2.5 years. Results show that. I'm baffled by their demise the last two games in particular. When the pressure came on though, Cahill once again went tinkering with his team. I wouldnt be too sad for him though given what he done to underage football in Tipp and the fact he turned down his own county over continuing with Waterford.

Overall it has been a very poor cship (everything looks negative to me right now!). The two most enjoyable games were the Clare-Limerick game and the majority of Waterford-Limerick. The rest of the Munster cship has been very poor and having seen most of the Leinster cship - it has been played at challenge match intensity. Kilkenny are in a Leinster final having lost to both Wexford and Galway and have chopped and changed more than any team I've seen. There seems to have been plenty of the whole Munster - Leinster debate here recently but I read at the weekend that Leinster teams have only won one of last 11 knockout games against Munster opposition - that being Galway against Tipp. I'm not suggesting anything should change though as these things goes in cycles and a look back at the last 30 years shows that.

tiobraid (Tipperary) - Posts: 3511 - 25/05/2022 09:41:38    2420081

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Replying To tiobraid:  "Considered deleting my account and going into hiding the last few days! An awful year forTipp - multiple hammerings and non performances. Led the All Ireland champions for over an hour in a game that was played at a January training match intensity. I fully expected we'd have enough for Cork at the weekend - talent may be an issue but once again a huge issue with general fitness was very obvious to see. For whatever reason the likes of Barry Hefferenan, Dan McCormack and many more once again looked like their fitness levels are massively below whats required. At the time of the Tipp penalty i swtiched over to see Clare 8 points to 1 up and had the penalty gone in Tipp would be going through had results stayed the same (albeit very early in the game). A 6 point Tipp win at that stage looked very possible. There has been a roll over of one or two of the backroom team from the Liam Sheedy era and I think they need to go now as the same failings were obvious again this year - if you dont have a base level of basic fitness you can forget about it. Beaten and well beaten by all 5 Munster counties in 2022 incl Kerry and the possibility of a relegation game with Kerry - years dont get much worse and Kerry would fancy their chances.
Should Tipp lose they will likely have a far easier path into the 2023 All Ireland series as you'd expect them to win the Joe McDonagh should they be relegated. As I said previously thats a joke. I also said that I dont agree with the 6 team Leinster cship but if theres a 6 team Leinster then why not have a 6 team Munster?

I see many people saying they didnt buy into the hype around Waterford. The hype in my opinion was justified. They had clearly been the closest to Limerick for the last 2.5 years. Results show that. I'm baffled by their demise the last two games in particular. When the pressure came on though, Cahill once again went tinkering with his team. I wouldnt be too sad for him though given what he done to underage football in Tipp and the fact he turned down his own county over continuing with Waterford.

Overall it has been a very poor cship (everything looks negative to me right now!). The two most enjoyable games were the Clare-Limerick game and the majority of Waterford-Limerick. The rest of the Munster cship has been very poor and having seen most of the Leinster cship - it has been played at challenge match intensity. Kilkenny are in a Leinster final having lost to both Wexford and Galway and have chopped and changed more than any team I've seen. There seems to have been plenty of the whole Munster - Leinster debate here recently but I read at the weekend that Leinster teams have only won one of last 11 knockout games against Munster opposition - that being Galway against Tipp. I'm not suggesting anything should change though as these things goes in cycles and a look back at the last 30 years shows that."
I think that stat includes Laois who have only beaten Dublin in knockout. They lost to Waterford and Tipp in the last 3 seasons. Munster teams have in general been better than Leinster ones since 2015 and better than Leinster minus Kilkenny since the late 90s. Wexford beat a few Munster counties in 2014 and 2016 but haven't managed to since. Although we have only played Munster counties 5 times in that period from 2017 til now. For sure it goes in cycles.

Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 5313 - 25/05/2022 09:59:51    2420092

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Replying To Viking66:  "I think that stat includes Laois who have only beaten Dublin in knockout. They lost to Waterford and Tipp in the last 3 seasons. Munster teams have in general been better than Leinster ones since 2015 and better than Leinster minus Kilkenny since the late 90s. Wexford beat a few Munster counties in 2014 and 2016 but haven't managed to since. Although we have only played Munster counties 5 times in that period from 2017 til now. For sure it goes in cycles."
Viking, I havent verified the stats but I'm guessing they are correct and would include Laois as they are a Leinster team. I could be wrong but in the losses to Clare and Waterford in the last two seasons they came closer than any LEinster team to beating a Munster team. I think Clare only beat them by a point and Waterford were pushed to the very end and I thought theyd lose at one point. KK and Cork went to ET last year when Cork done all in their power to beat themselves.
I for one am happy to see Wexford through this year as I think in Fanning, Ryan, O'Hanlon, Chin and Rory O'C that they have some great players. The first 3 in particular dont get the credit they deserve.

tiobraid (Tipperary) - Posts: 3511 - 25/05/2022 10:49:43    2420108

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Replying To tiobraid:  "Viking, I havent verified the stats but I'm guessing they are correct and would include Laois as they are a Leinster team. I could be wrong but in the losses to Clare and Waterford in the last two seasons they came closer than any LEinster team to beating a Munster team. I think Clare only beat them by a point and Waterford were pushed to the very end and I thought theyd lose at one point. KK and Cork went to ET last year when Cork done all in their power to beat themselves.
I for one am happy to see Wexford through this year as I think in Fanning, Ryan, O'Hanlon, Chin and Rory O'C that they have some great players. The first 3 in particular dont get the credit they deserve."
Laois lost to Waterford by 5 I think. We only lost to Clare by 3 points last year after giving them a 10 point headstart in the 1st 20 or so minutes. We only lost to Tipp by 2 points in 2019. We still lost though!

Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 5313 - 25/05/2022 12:28:10    2420135

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A look at the last five seasons of the Munster Championship:

https://limerickhurling.blogspot.com/2022/05/5-year-review-of-munster-format.html

slayer (Limerick) - Posts: 6323 - 25/05/2022 13:06:41    2420149

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Replying To slayer:  "A look at the last five seasons of the Munster Championship:

https://limerickhurling.blogspot.com/2022/05/5-year-review-of-munster-format.html"
Very interesting and poor reading for Tipp and Waterford. Varying degrees of "success" for all 5 counties over the last 5 years. Clare will be all out for a Munster this year.


Limerick have adapted to both round robin & knockout formats
Clare have been excellent in the round robin format less so in knockout

Waterford have fared better in knockout hurling & are at their best when they get a run via the 'back door' in the 2020/2021 type format

2019 saw Tipperary win 7 out of 8 championship games and win the all Ireland title. Tipperary are currently averaging one all Ireland title every five seasons so perhaps this is just how the cycle works in Tipperary hurling - they can handle whatever format once they get their prepartions right. Their round robin stats from 2018 & 2022 are 2 draws from 8 games

Cork have been inconsistent but capable of beating all of the other teams across the five seasons

Munster has taken 5 of the 8 all Ireland final day appearances available over the previous four seasons (2018-2021). By comparison in the four seasons before this format began (2014-2017), Munster took just 3 of the 8 all Ireland final day appearances available. So perhaps the Munster Championship format has meant that the teams emerging from Munster are more likely to reach the all Ireland final than their Leinster counterparts

tiobraid (Tipperary) - Posts: 3511 - 25/05/2022 13:24:49    2420154

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Replying To tiobraid:  "Considered deleting my account and going into hiding the last few days! An awful year forTipp - multiple hammerings and non performances. Led the All Ireland champions for over an hour in a game that was played at a January training match intensity. I fully expected we'd have enough for Cork at the weekend - talent may be an issue but once again a huge issue with general fitness was very obvious to see. For whatever reason the likes of Barry Hefferenan, Dan McCormack and many more once again looked like their fitness levels are massively below whats required. At the time of the Tipp penalty i swtiched over to see Clare 8 points to 1 up and had the penalty gone in Tipp would be going through had results stayed the same (albeit very early in the game). A 6 point Tipp win at that stage looked very possible. There has been a roll over of one or two of the backroom team from the Liam Sheedy era and I think they need to go now as the same failings were obvious again this year - if you dont have a base level of basic fitness you can forget about it. Beaten and well beaten by all 5 Munster counties in 2022 incl Kerry and the possibility of a relegation game with Kerry - years dont get much worse and Kerry would fancy their chances.
Should Tipp lose they will likely have a far easier path into the 2023 All Ireland series as you'd expect them to win the Joe McDonagh should they be relegated. As I said previously thats a joke. I also said that I dont agree with the 6 team Leinster cship but if theres a 6 team Leinster then why not have a 6 team Munster?

I see many people saying they didnt buy into the hype around Waterford. The hype in my opinion was justified. They had clearly been the closest to Limerick for the last 2.5 years. Results show that. I'm baffled by their demise the last two games in particular. When the pressure came on though, Cahill once again went tinkering with his team. I wouldnt be too sad for him though given what he done to underage football in Tipp and the fact he turned down his own county over continuing with Waterford.

Overall it has been a very poor cship (everything looks negative to me right now!). The two most enjoyable games were the Clare-Limerick game and the majority of Waterford-Limerick. The rest of the Munster cship has been very poor and having seen most of the Leinster cship - it has been played at challenge match intensity. Kilkenny are in a Leinster final having lost to both Wexford and Galway and have chopped and changed more than any team I've seen. There seems to have been plenty of the whole Munster - Leinster debate here recently but I read at the weekend that Leinster teams have only won one of last 11 knockout games against Munster opposition - that being Galway against Tipp. I'm not suggesting anything should change though as these things goes in cycles and a look back at the last 30 years shows that."
Think your are overreacting a small bit. Kerry beat ye in a meaningless game for ye. It was like a final for Kerry. Tipp will beat Kerry out the gate in the play off if it happens

Callanan and Bubbles missing along with P Maher who in my opinion is a massive loss. Tipp are in a bit of a transition. Not sure though in Bonner the man to do it though.

aidan64 (Kerry) - Posts: 613 - 25/05/2022 14:04:37    2420169

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Replying To Viking66:  "Laois lost to Waterford by 5 I think. We only lost to Clare by 3 points last year after giving them a 10 point headstart in the 1st 20 or so minutes. We only lost to Tipp by 2 points in 2019. We still lost though!"
Viking, you make many valid and interesting contributions to HS threads. However, I really don't like comments like, " We only lost to Clare by 3 points last year after giving them a 10 point headstart in the 1st 20 or so minutes."

The first 20 or so minutes were also part of the game. You judge a game on its totality, be it 70 minutes, 70+, or extra-time. Selectively extracting any segment of a game can convey whatever impression that's wanted to be put across.

That's my first issue. My second issue is that Wexford didn't "give" Clare a 10 point start. Instead, Clare "took" a 10 point start.

Nobody "gives" anything on hurling field, bar the referee.

foreveryoung (USA) - Posts: 1214 - 25/05/2022 14:14:16    2420178

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Replying To aidan64:  "Think your are overreacting a small bit. Kerry beat ye in a meaningless game for ye. It was like a final for Kerry. Tipp will beat Kerry out the gate in the play off if it happens

Callanan and Bubbles missing along with P Maher who in my opinion is a massive loss. Tipp are in a bit of a transition. Not sure though in Bonner the man to do it though."
I wouldnt be so sure of that. Tipp are unlikely to go back training until after the Joe Mc final (if they need to) and motivation will be at an all time low. Kerry would be on a major high having played two of their biggest ever games. I would not be one bit surprised though if Kerry do win that the GAA will decide not to schedule the game and put Kerry into a 6 team Munster cship.
The relegation/promotion format is madness though. Its complicated by the provincial aspect but the most sensible thing to do this year would be Tipp to play Laois - and Kerry to be promoted (should they win Joe Mac). Going forward I'd see nothing wrong with the last team in Munster playing second last in Leinster and vice versa for a proper relegation play off type system. If things become too lopsided then another format would be needed but I think thats the fairest. Although the big caveat is that the weakest team in Leinster then tries to peak for these games - which is why I'm against the 6th team in Leinster - the lower teams are targetting one or two games each year to stay up.

tiobraid (Tipperary) - Posts: 3511 - 25/05/2022 15:09:16    2420187

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