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Replying To baire:  "I'd never imagine you'd have to google for something like that OTM! I was only referring to one particular keyboard jabber. Sometimes the memory plays tricks on us though and we might confuse the siege of Limerick with the siege of Ennis! ;)"
Well Baire. I thought the thing with Mackey was outrageous. The Millennium teams were up there for ages and nobody involved with the GAA, at home, noted the obvious mistake, despite unusually regular trips to Croke Park, in recent years. We had only man on either team and it took a man, living outside the county with a lifetime, to get that major mistake rectified. I saw a little caption in a Pub onetime and it said 'Poor is the Nation that has no Heroes, Beggared the one that has and forgets them'. I thing it is a cautionary and accurate observation. Anyway, enough banter for the moment. We will look forward to next year and if we don't do the four in a row I would give Galway under Henry a great chance. Of course, I would also hope that Waterford can win it in the next years. They were a great favourite team of mine all those years ago, in the late fifties/early sixties.

Oldtourman (Limerick) - Posts: 3844 - 30/07/2022 12:02:48    2435357

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Replying To baire:  "It demonstrates that he can count up to 11 anyway. He's a googler of dates and numbers, your typical hurler on the keyboard."
Google? Don't even have to go that far, barie. All the stats and numbers are right here on this very website, Hoganstand. Check it out sometime. Spend less time posting and more time seeking and learning.

foreveryoung (USA) - Posts: 1406 - 30/07/2022 12:33:43    2435364

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Replying To Sugary_tae:  "Next season should be absolutely fascinating. Limerick have just won an improbable 3 in a row and will start as favourites but all teams bar cork will feel they played their best game against us and will feel they could have won those matches. There's a lack of consistency in quite a few teams but you'd feel there is a lot of ability and the playing field is fairly level. Ultimately it will come down to whatever team can find that consistently to challenge. The confidence in a team that has won 4/5 is huge

Limerick will hopefully have Casey and lynch back and hopefully the likes of o neill and another one or two from the u20 bunch to come through. Appetite will be the issue. There's a huge amount of punishment in being champions with a target on your back. Any team attempting a 4 in a row will have to accept the spotlight. Teams are analysing us to the hilt. Perhaps a few teams showed their cards too early in the league etc. Certainly kk playing so well v Clare took the surprise away for the final"
I'd be also very hopeful for Shane O'Brien, of Kilmallock, he is only 17 and though he did not really shine in the Kilkenny game (U20 Final), he was some talent all year, otherwise. He was MOM in the Croke Cup Final and he scored five points from play in the Munster U20 final. The Irish Examiner paid him a nice complement the next day. It said he was the stone in Tipp's shoe all day, that simply would not go away. He has also been playing very well in the County Championship games. One to watch.

Oldtourman (Limerick) - Posts: 3844 - 10/08/2022 09:54:16    2436907

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agree regarding shane o brien this fella is the real deal but probably 2 years away from the senior panel.......saw him against patrickswell and na piarsaigh and for a lad so young looked class. and what i like about him is he is big and strong good in the air and great skill.....along with aidan o connor adam english and colm coughlan and an improvong cathal o neill limerick hurling is in a healthy state ...if john kiely can maintain the hunger and desire limerick will be going nowhere for the next 3 or 4 years.

munsterchamps (Limerick) - Posts: 1045 - 11/08/2022 12:53:01    2437057

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As I have often said before, if they only stuck to hurling, the podcast wouldn't be half as interesting; football talk, pub talk, ould yarns, ould war stories from their own playing days, greyhounds, horses and the country ways of life all add immensely to their program. It's a great mix overall, and thankfully they seem to get the balance right. And now, they've gone out and actually turned the talk into action. Well done and fair play to them! Long may it continue… like JP's funding!

https://www.irishexaminer.com/sport/racing/arid-40940171.html

foreveryoung (USA) - Posts: 1406 - 16/08/2022 20:54:25    2437731

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Replying To Oldtourman:  "Well Baire. I thought the thing with Mackey was outrageous. The Millennium teams were up there for ages and nobody involved with the GAA, at home, noted the obvious mistake, despite unusually regular trips to Croke Park, in recent years. We had only man on either team and it took a man, living outside the county with a lifetime, to get that major mistake rectified. I saw a little caption in a Pub onetime and it said 'Poor is the Nation that has no Heroes, Beggared the one that has and forgets them'. I thing it is a cautionary and accurate observation. Anyway, enough banter for the moment. We will look forward to next year and if we don't do the four in a row I would give Galway under Henry a great chance. Of course, I would also hope that Waterford can win it in the next years. They were a great favourite team of mine all those years ago, in the late fifties/early sixties."
We the lessers should be thankful to Limerick for breaking the mold that someone outside the big three can be a dominant force. Once this team is gone there will be great debate where they rank in all time. In my opinion they are already up there with the greats and in fact deserve more plaudits having coming from where positioned. Limerick are well poised to attain the top spot. It is still a team in its prime. You would have to give a shout out also to the great Offaly team. If started out earlier would and should have won more. The difference I think with Limerick is they have structure developed now to keep them at the top table. Plus every player has bought into, it is about the team.

Canuck (Waterford) - Posts: 2371 - 19/08/2022 16:36:06    2438053

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Replying To Canuck:  "We the lessers should be thankful to Limerick for breaking the mold that someone outside the big three can be a dominant force. Once this team is gone there will be great debate where they rank in all time. In my opinion they are already up there with the greats and in fact deserve more plaudits having coming from where positioned. Limerick are well poised to attain the top spot. It is still a team in its prime. You would have to give a shout out also to the great Offaly team. If started out earlier would and should have won more. The difference I think with Limerick is they have structure developed now to keep them at the top table. Plus every player has bought into, it is about the team."
Thanks Canuck. Yes indeed Offaly were a fine side and with a little more discipline could have won more All Irelands. I saw what I would call 'a gas one' involving Eamon Sweeney in a contribution he made to the Sunday Independent on the day of the recent All Ireland Final. Pointing out that the great Tipp team of '58 to '63 never won a three in a row, he plainly stated that if the back system was there then Tipp would have won the '63 All Ireland. That observation is based on pure nonsense as Waterford beat Tipp in the three Finals the teams contested in that year. The Oireacthas Final especially was a splendid game and John D Hickey, himself a Thurles Man, described the display by both sides on that long ago as 'Hurling in Excelsis'. John D was fond of the old classical flourish. The heading on his report of the game on the morning after the 1960 game was a classic. Wexford were the coldest of rank outsiders that day, but with a veteran laden team they swept aside a much favoured Tipp side. Hickey caught the moment perfectly with his heading, quoting Lord Byron he thundered 'The Asyrian came down like a wolf on the fold and the colours of his cohorts were a gleaming Purple and Gold'.
Incidentally, Sweeney failed to mention that if the back Door system had NOT been there in 2019 neither Tipp nor Kilkenny would be in the Final.

Oldtourman (Limerick) - Posts: 3844 - 19/08/2022 20:37:03    2438077

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Replying To Oldtourman:  "Thanks Canuck. Yes indeed Offaly were a fine side and with a little more discipline could have won more All Irelands. I saw what I would call 'a gas one' involving Eamon Sweeney in a contribution he made to the Sunday Independent on the day of the recent All Ireland Final. Pointing out that the great Tipp team of '58 to '63 never won a three in a row, he plainly stated that if the back system was there then Tipp would have won the '63 All Ireland. That observation is based on pure nonsense as Waterford beat Tipp in the three Finals the teams contested in that year. The Oireacthas Final especially was a splendid game and John D Hickey, himself a Thurles Man, described the display by both sides on that long ago as 'Hurling in Excelsis'. John D was fond of the old classical flourish. The heading on his report of the game on the morning after the 1960 game was a classic. Wexford were the coldest of rank outsiders that day, but with a veteran laden team they swept aside a much favoured Tipp side. Hickey caught the moment perfectly with his heading, quoting Lord Byron he thundered 'The Asyrian came down like a wolf on the fold and the colours of his cohorts were a gleaming Purple and Gold'.
Incidentally, Sweeney failed to mention that if the back Door system had NOT been there in 2019 neither Tipp nor Kilkenny would be in the Final."
'Offaly hurling is alone and palely loitering'. Another poetic quote.

thelongridge (Offaly) - Posts: 1446 - 20/08/2022 13:02:28    2438104

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Another blow for Tipp for next year with Craig Morgan gone for 2023. Added to Barry Heffernan's ACL and Ronan Mahers leg fracture and John McGraths serious achilles injury. its a really tough year ahead for Tipp in 2023. We are likely to see a couple of more retirements also. Getting out of Munster looks impossible as this point.

tiobraid (Tipperary) - Posts: 3710 - 25/08/2022 15:45:20    2438688

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Replying To tiobraid:  "Another blow for Tipp for next year with Craig Morgan gone for 2023. Added to Barry Heffernan's ACL and Ronan Mahers leg fracture and John McGraths serious achilles injury. its a really tough year ahead for Tipp in 2023. We are likely to see a couple of more retirements also. Getting out of Munster looks impossible as this point."
Impossible?
Ronan maher is due back shortly and John mcgrath will be fine for next years championship. I dont think heffernan did the ACL? Morgan is a loss but all intercounty teams have to deal with ACLs injuries nowadays. It's just part and parcel. Callinan bubbles etc will all be available too.

daveboy (Limerick) - Posts: 847 - 25/08/2022 16:29:01    2438692

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Replying To Oldtourman:  "Thanks Canuck. Yes indeed Offaly were a fine side and with a little more discipline could have won more All Irelands. I saw what I would call 'a gas one' involving Eamon Sweeney in a contribution he made to the Sunday Independent on the day of the recent All Ireland Final. Pointing out that the great Tipp team of '58 to '63 never won a three in a row, he plainly stated that if the back system was there then Tipp would have won the '63 All Ireland. That observation is based on pure nonsense as Waterford beat Tipp in the three Finals the teams contested in that year. The Oireacthas Final especially was a splendid game and John D Hickey, himself a Thurles Man, described the display by both sides on that long ago as 'Hurling in Excelsis'. John D was fond of the old classical flourish. The heading on his report of the game on the morning after the 1960 game was a classic. Wexford were the coldest of rank outsiders that day, but with a veteran laden team they swept aside a much favoured Tipp side. Hickey caught the moment perfectly with his heading, quoting Lord Byron he thundered 'The Asyrian came down like a wolf on the fold and the colours of his cohorts were a gleaming Purple and Gold'.
Incidentally, Sweeney failed to mention that if the back Door system had NOT been there in 2019 neither Tipp nor Kilkenny would be in the Final."
"if the back Door system had NOT been there in 2019 neither Tipp nor Kilkenny would be in the Final"

Nor would Offaly have been in 98, and 2000, or Clare 02 and 13, or Limerick in 07 and 18. It's so much easier for one of the smaller counties to get to a final now that we have the back door system.

Cockney_Cat (UK) - Posts: 2067 - 25/08/2022 21:41:48    2438714

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Replying To Cockney_Cat:  ""if the back Door system had NOT been there in 2019 neither Tipp nor Kilkenny would be in the Final"

Nor would Offaly have been in 98, and 2000, or Clare 02 and 13, or Limerick in 07 and 18. It's so much easier for one of the smaller counties to get to a final now that we have the back door system."
Apart from the Joe McDonagh Cup Finalists small Counties don't get to the knock out stages any more.
A JMD Finalist would have to win 3 games against big Counties to reach the Final.

Seanfanbocht (Roscommon) - Posts: 556 - 26/08/2022 10:52:30    2438734

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Replying To Cockney_Cat:  ""if the back Door system had NOT been there in 2019 neither Tipp nor Kilkenny would be in the Final"

Nor would Offaly have been in 98, and 2000, or Clare 02 and 13, or Limerick in 07 and 18. It's so much easier for one of the smaller counties to get to a final now that we have the back door system."
Who would you consider a smaller county ?

daveboy (Limerick) - Posts: 847 - 27/08/2022 09:18:30    2438784

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Replying To Cockney_Cat:  ""if the back Door system had NOT been there in 2019 neither Tipp nor Kilkenny would be in the Final"

Nor would Offaly have been in 98, and 2000, or Clare 02 and 13, or Limerick in 07 and 18. It's so much easier for one of the smaller counties to get to a final now that we have the back door system."
That makes no sense. The back door favours the bigger better counties because they might get shocked once. Much less likely they will be shocked twice.

Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 6707 - 27/08/2022 10:57:51    2438798

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Replying To daveboy:  "Who would you consider a smaller county ?"
The only smaller county mentioned here is Offaly. Indeed the only county that could be characterised as a smaller county that has won the All Ireland hurling title in the last 30 years is Offaly.

endgame (Roscommon) - Posts: 1848 - 27/08/2022 11:46:56    2438802

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Replying To Cockney_Cat:  ""if the back Door system had NOT been there in 2019 neither Tipp nor Kilkenny would be in the Final"

Nor would Offaly have been in 98, and 2000, or Clare 02 and 13, or Limerick in 07 and 18. It's so much easier for one of the smaller counties to get to a final now that we have the back door system."
Every county has availed of it- '04 and '12 also comes to mind in KKs case, Cork in '04 '13 and last year and Tipp in '10 and '19.

Oldtourman (Limerick) - Posts: 3844 - 27/08/2022 18:14:31    2438836

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Replying To Oldtourman:  "Every county has availed of it- '04 and '12 also comes to mind in KKs case, Cork in '04 '13 and last year and Tipp in '10 and '19."
We had some success particularly in the early noughties but we have never won a semifinal in history after arriving at it through the backdoor.

Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 6707 - 27/08/2022 21:16:35    2438851

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Replying To Viking66:  "We had some success particularly in the early noughties but we have never won a semifinal in history after arriving at it through the backdoor."
Of course Viking , and neither have Galway. When Oldtourman says "every county has availed of it" he is just getting carried away with Limerick's new-found status as a member of the " Big 4 "

PoolSturgeon (Galway) - Posts: 1725 - 28/08/2022 09:18:46    2438865

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Replying To PoolSturgeon:  "Of course Viking , and neither have Galway. When Oldtourman says "every county has availed of it" he is just getting carried away with Limerick's new-found status as a member of the " Big 4 ""
NO PS, I probably did not make myself clear enough. I was just pointing out, to CC especially, that all the Big Three have won All Irelands via the Back Door. I would indeed suggest that the Back Door has probably cost Galway and Wexford All Irelands. In fact I never tire of pointing that in no time at all we will be back where we nearly always have been. And there is no such thing as the 'Big Four' as a county would need to won at least twenty five All Irelands to be even mentioned in such august company

Oldtourman (Limerick) - Posts: 3844 - 29/08/2022 09:20:54    2438966

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Replying To Oldtourman:  "NO PS, I probably did not make myself clear enough. I was just pointing out, to CC especially, that all the Big Three have won All Irelands via the Back Door. I would indeed suggest that the Back Door has probably cost Galway and Wexford All Irelands. In fact I never tire of pointing that in no time at all we will be back where we nearly always have been. And there is no such thing as the 'Big Four' as a county would need to won at least twenty five All Irelands to be even mentioned in such august company"
As I pointed out to CC also OTM the backdoor favours the big 3 more than any other counties.

Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 6707 - 29/08/2022 09:49:13    2438971

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