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If Tipp do well next year, no one in Tipp will care how Bonnar was dismissed or Cahill was appointed. That's the reality, results dictate everything. Having said that, the whole thing was very shabby. Doesn't reflect well on Cahill either, whether that's fair or not. It's obvious he was told in advance from Tipp Co Board that Bonnar was getting the bullet. ballydalane (Kilkenny) - Posts: 1256 - 20/07/2022 11:25:49 2433086 Link 0 |
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Galway troubled them too and should have won only for shooting 19 wides.
tommy k (Galway) - Posts: 3470 - 20/07/2022 11:57:51 2433104 Link 0 |
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. You said: "Whelan didnt score in the first 3 games of the cship". That wasn't the case. Whelan scored 3 great points in the first game against Wexford but pulled a hamstring in the second half and had to go off, to the great relief of the Wexford supporters! He was back in against Dublin, marked by Eoghan O' Donnell, one of the best full backs in the country and scored 0-5. He scored 0-4 in the Leinster final against KK, scored 1-2 against Cork in the quarter final, 0-2 points v Limerick in the AISF. C Whelan imo is the player who gets fouled the most and many of those fouls go unpunished. I agree with you when you say "Kellys performance in the first game (v Limerick) was out of this world" but his performances against Wexford and KK were, by his standards, mediocre. I don't know where you got your 13 points from play against Limerick. He scored 0-5 from play the first day and 0-6 from play in the Munster Final, a game that went to extra time. The Knockout Stage, from play: AIQF: Conor Whelan v Cork, 1-2. Tony Kelly v Wexford, 0-4 [Tony Kelly v Cork Round Robin, 0-3] AISF: CW v Limerick: 0-2. TK v KK: 0-1 [Whelan scored 0-4 in the LF against KK] How can one choose between the likes of J Cooney, C Whelan, T Kelly and S O'Donnell, they are all gifted hurlers. The team of the year in the modern era should by right be a team of 20 players. Amongst those 20 players this year I'd include, not in any particular order: T Kelly, S O' Donnell, J Cooney, C Whelan, T Monaghan, L Chin."]I agree scores is not everthing which was evidenced by TJ on Sunday who was excellent. However, given that you have went researching - why did you purposely up Whelans score and reduce TK's?! I made some errors myself as I was going from memory and thought it was the league Whelan got injured in - as you well know it was 2 points he scored the first day and Kelly score 7 from play in the Munster final. I didnt bother researching the rest but given the two I did you may well have changed those to suit also! Either way its all a matter of opinion. I wouldnt be able to fit either Chin or SOD into the 20 either tbh. They'd be close though tiobraid (Tipperary) - Posts: 4119 - 20/07/2022 12:11:49 2433106 Link 1 |
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Why is there this fascination with having any League part to the Championship at all? We already have a League. Championship should be about the luck of the draw and knockout hurling. Much more exciting! And solves the fixture congestion and player burnout issues also. If there is a demand for more games then have the Provincials straight knockout then an open draw for the best 14 teams for the AI series. With the provincial finalists getting a bye to the QFs. Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 13874 - 20/07/2022 13:01:14 2433117 Link 0 |
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Great footballer also. Alot of miles on him for a 27 year old.
Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 13874 - 20/07/2022 13:03:39 2433119 Link 0 |
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AISF: CW v Limerick: 0-2. TK v KK: 0-1 [Whelan scored 0-4 in the LF against KK] How can one choose between the likes of J Cooney, C Whelan, T Kelly and S O'Donnell, they are all gifted hurlers. The team of the year in the modern era should by right be a team of 20 players. Amongst those 20 players this year I'd include, not in any particular order: T Kelly, S O' Donnell, J Cooney, C Whelan, T Monaghan, L Chin."]I agree scores is not everthing which was evidenced by TJ on Sunday who was excellent. However, given that you have went researching - why did you purposely up Whelans score and reduce TK's?! I made some errors myself as I was going from memory and thought it was the league Whelan got injured in - as you well know it was 2 points he scored the first day and Kelly score 7 from play in the Munster final. I didnt bother researching the rest but given the two I did you may well have changed those to suit also! Either way its all a matter of opinion. I wouldnt be able to fit either Chin or SOD into the 20 either tbh. They'd be close though"]I didn't purposely up Whelan's score or reduce Kelly's, don't be ridiculous! Whelan scored his third point in the 32nd minute, Kelly as you say scored 7 from play in the Munster final. baire (Galway) - Posts: 1849 - 20/07/2022 13:05:33 2433121 Link 0 |
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AISF: CW v Limerick: 0-2. TK v KK: 0-1 [Whelan scored 0-4 in the LF against KK] How can one choose between the likes of J Cooney, C Whelan, T Kelly and S O'Donnell, they are all gifted hurlers. The team of the year in the modern era should by right be a team of 20 players. Amongst those 20 players this year I'd include, not in any particular order: T Kelly, S O' Donnell, J Cooney, C Whelan, T Monaghan, L Chin."]I agree scores is not everthing which was evidenced by TJ on Sunday who was excellent. However, given that you have went researching - why did you purposely up Whelans score and reduce TK's?! I made some errors myself as I was going from memory and thought it was the league Whelan got injured in - as you well know it was 2 points he scored the first day and Kelly score 7 from play in the Munster final. I didnt bother researching the rest but given the two I did you may well have changed those to suit also! Either way its all a matter of opinion. I wouldnt be able to fit either Chin or SOD into the 20 either tbh. They'd be close though"]Whelan is massive for Galway and would probably be fitted in by any other intercounty manager if there was a transfer system in place. He would even improve Limericks front 6 never mind anyone else's. Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 13874 - 20/07/2022 13:07:09 2433123 Link 0 |
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And the statement Cahill brought out about not getting any calls until Bonner was sacked was a bit unnecessary. It makes the whole situation stink even more. That said the right man got the job and bring tipp hurling on leaps and bounds. Bon (Kildare) - Posts: 2085 - 20/07/2022 13:11:58 2433124 Link 0 |
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Agree with you but if things don't go so good especially off the hop (which is very likely) the reverse will be the case and the long knives will be out. This is something Liam could do without. Incidentally he says there was no contact before Bonnar got the job------
Canuck (Waterford) - Posts: 2866 - 20/07/2022 13:15:37 2433127 Link 0 |
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Its not just about the scores but CW scores in almost all games he plays in - its his savage workrate and intensity as well as the number of frees he wins in games as defenders know he is a big threat with ball in hand.
tommy k (Galway) - Posts: 3470 - 20/07/2022 13:26:37 2433129 Link 0 |
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Would agree with that baire and the only reason JC was "brought out to the 40" later in his career was that he was not getting good enough service inside and not because he couldn't score goals / points etc. There are loads of examples in both club and county where he could play at 14 or sometimes 15 as per the following clip: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YDEMpr9cUmE&t=53s
tommy k (Galway) - Posts: 3470 - 20/07/2022 13:38:15 2433132 Link 0 |
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I wouldnt be so sure he was told. At the end of the day he was a rival manager so why would he be told? I wouldnt be surprised if he was sounded out in some way though. I doubt it was as straight forward as you say. People in the know say senior players believed their clubs had a more professional set up than Tipp last year and this was brought to the county board. I'm not one for player power but if the set up is well below what went before then its hard to blame them either. tiobraid (Tipperary) - Posts: 4119 - 20/07/2022 13:43:03 2433135 Link 0 |
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I agree it was badly handled by the Tipp board but unless we know for certain that Cahill was told in advance I don't think it's fair to attach any of the blame on him.
midlands (Westmeath) - Posts: 583 - 20/07/2022 13:48:19 2433136 Link 0 |
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How would Tipp get an All star when they lost all 4 games? How old are you by the way? Jamsie also knows plenty about playing midfield and he selected McInerney there.... One of his first lines written by him was (Daithi Burke was back to his best this year...." Enough said. Great player but no where near his best this year. He marked Callanan in Callanans prime but struggled this year especially for long periods on Gillane but his positioning in the Cork game was questionbly more than once. Back to his best - definitely not for me. Second year in a row he hasnt picked Sean Finn!!! A lot of peoples pick for HOTY in 2021 (he picked Sean O'D ahead of him). Fabulous player but not the best pundit by a long shot. You kind of shot yourself in the foot a bit with that post, didnt you? tiobraid (Tipperary) - Posts: 4119 - 20/07/2022 13:52:29 2433139 Link 0 |
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What year was that? I cant remember him scoring a goal against Tipp at least in the cship but i could be wrong
tiobraid (Tipperary) - Posts: 4119 - 20/07/2022 13:57:22 2433142 Link 0 |
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O connors team is a stretch on a stretch. Conor whelan gets in my team. Imo only player in the country that has a chance of getting into the Limerick forward unit. I wouldn't have Tony Kelly. He just never shows up on the big days. After wex and kk matches he played his way off the team. People can say all they want but that's the time you get in or out. Whelan Gillane TJ that's my FF line daveboy (Limerick) - Posts: 1197 - 20/07/2022 15:17:21 2433167 Link 0 |
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I did ask Ballyladane in my post did he think Liam was lying but I guess it got edited out. God help us if a question like that has to be edited out. I never accused him it. Canuck (Waterford) - Posts: 2866 - 20/07/2022 15:33:00 2433172 Link 0 |
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The big games this year for Clare up to the point of those games was the Limerick games and Clare would have done anything for Munster title. Its harsh to say he didnt show up as that was a big day for him. I get where you're going with it though but he was so good in so many games he gets in for me. Everyone will never agree
tiobraid (Tipperary) - Posts: 4119 - 20/07/2022 15:38:27 2433173 Link 0 |
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No denying that but the original poster suggested hes a one man forward line which I dont agree with.
tiobraid (Tipperary) - Posts: 4119 - 20/07/2022 15:40:41 2433176 Link 0 |
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Tony Kelly exceptional on both days against Limerick {Munster final} is that not a big day was very good in all other Munster games came into it late v WX well marshalled v KK but most of team out of sorts . POW at 19 what a ridiculous comment to say he never turns up on big days. Gillane a marquee forward was v quiet in Munster Final V Galway and was practically anonymous on Hue Lawlor. The arrogance is insufferable clooney (Clare) - Posts: 960 - 20/07/2022 15:45:56 2433178 Link 0 |