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Replying To Canuck:  "I would have to agree with you. This will come back to haunt Tipp and Liam's job is now harder. You would have to ask did they proof read what they were saying or just get one ignoramus to write it. You know "get rid of him." "Joe you do it".That what it certainly looks like to the outsider even if that was not the case."
If Tipp do well next year, no one in Tipp will care how Bonnar was dismissed or Cahill was appointed. That's the reality, results dictate everything.

Having said that, the whole thing was very shabby. Doesn't reflect well on Cahill either, whether that's fair or not. It's obvious he was told in advance from Tipp Co Board that Bonnar was getting the bullet.

ballydalane (Kilkenny) - Posts: 1215 - 20/07/2022 11:25:49    2433086

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Replying To Doylerwex:  "Huge congratulations to limerick.

I've always had a soft spot for them, and am thrilled for their supporters in particular.

Great people altogether.

It's hard to compare teams from different eras so won't get into that.

What I will say, 3 in a row is a rare thing, especially outside the big 3.

Limerick are the model for all of us hurling counties.

It can be done in the modern era.

The gap has closed slightly, and limerick have brought us all on.

I can't wait for next year.

Seeing Clare and kk trouble them a bit shows their dominance can and will end at some point.

I think we can look at forward to a new golden era of hurling."
Galway troubled them too and should have won only for shooting 19 wides.

tommy k (Galway) - Posts: 2824 - 20/07/2022 11:57:51    2433104

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Replying To baire:  "Since you brought up scores I decided to compare the scoring record of both T Kelly and C Whelan this year. [An excercise that tells us very little about their hurling abilities
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You said: "Whelan didnt score in the first 3 games of the cship". That wasn't the case.
Whelan scored 3 great points in the first game against Wexford but pulled a hamstring in the second half and had to go off, to the great relief of the Wexford supporters!
He was back in against Dublin, marked by Eoghan O' Donnell, one of the best full backs in the country and scored 0-5. He scored 0-4 in the Leinster final against KK, scored 1-2 against Cork in the quarter final, 0-2 points v Limerick in the AISF. C Whelan imo is the player who gets fouled the most and many of those fouls go unpunished.
I agree with you when you say "Kellys performance in the first game (v Limerick) was out of this world" but his performances against Wexford and KK were, by his standards, mediocre. I don't know where you got your 13 points from play against Limerick. He scored 0-5 from play the first day and 0-6 from play in the Munster Final, a game that went to extra time.
The Knockout Stage, from play:
AIQF: Conor Whelan v Cork, 1-2. Tony Kelly v Wexford, 0-4 [Tony Kelly v Cork Round Robin, 0-3]
AISF: CW v Limerick: 0-2. TK v KK: 0-1 [Whelan scored 0-4 in the LF against KK]
How can one choose between the likes of J Cooney, C Whelan, T Kelly and S O'Donnell, they are all gifted hurlers. The team of the year in the modern era should by right be a team of 20 players. Amongst those 20 players this year I'd include, not in any particular order: T Kelly, S O' Donnell, J Cooney, C Whelan, T Monaghan, L Chin."]I agree scores is not everthing which was evidenced by TJ on Sunday who was excellent.
However, given that you have went researching - why did you purposely up Whelans score and reduce TK's?! I made some errors myself as I was going from memory and thought it was the league Whelan got injured in - as you well know it was 2 points he scored the first day and Kelly score 7 from play in the Munster final. I didnt bother researching the rest but given the two I did you may well have changed those to suit also!
Either way its all a matter of opinion. I wouldnt be able to fit either Chin or SOD into the 20 either tbh. They'd be close though

tiobraid (Tipperary) - Posts: 3710 - 20/07/2022 12:11:49    2433106

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Why is there this fascination with having any League part to the Championship at all? We already have a League. Championship should be about the luck of the draw and knockout hurling. Much more exciting! And solves the fixture congestion and player burnout issues also. If there is a demand for more games then have the Provincials straight knockout then an open draw for the best 14 teams for the AI series. With the provincial finalists getting a bye to the QFs.

Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 6707 - 20/07/2022 13:01:14    2433117

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Replying To tiobraid:  "John McGrath is 27 but hes one that we might not see in a Tipp jersey again or any time soon"
Great footballer also. Alot of miles on him for a 27 year old.

Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 6707 - 20/07/2022 13:03:39    2433119

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Replying To tiobraid:  "
Replying To baire:  "Since you brought up scores I decided to compare the scoring record of both T Kelly and C Whelan this year. [An excercise that tells us very little about their hurling abilities
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You said: "Whelan didnt score in the first 3 games of the cship". That wasn't the case.
Whelan scored 3 great points in the first game against Wexford but pulled a hamstring in the second half and had to go off, to the great relief of the Wexford supporters!
He was back in against Dublin, marked by Eoghan O' Donnell, one of the best full backs in the country and scored 0-5. He scored 0-4 in the Leinster final against KK, scored 1-2 against Cork in the quarter final, 0-2 points v Limerick in the AISF. C Whelan imo is the player who gets fouled the most and many of those fouls go unpunished.
I agree with you when you say "Kellys performance in the first game (v Limerick) was out of this world" but his performances against Wexford and KK were, by his standards, mediocre. I don't know where you got your 13 points from play against Limerick. He scored 0-5 from play the first day and 0-6 from play in the Munster Final, a game that went to extra time.
The Knockout Stage, from play:
AIQF: Conor Whelan v Cork, 1-2. Tony Kelly v Wexford, 0-4 [Tony Kelly v Cork Round Robin, 0-3

AISF: CW v Limerick: 0-2. TK v KK: 0-1 [Whelan scored 0-4 in the LF against KK]
How can one choose between the likes of J Cooney, C Whelan, T Kelly and S O'Donnell, they are all gifted hurlers. The team of the year in the modern era should by right be a team of 20 players. Amongst those 20 players this year I'd include, not in any particular order: T Kelly, S O' Donnell, J Cooney, C Whelan, T Monaghan, L Chin."]I agree scores is not everthing which was evidenced by TJ on Sunday who was excellent.
However, given that you have went researching - why did you purposely up Whelans score and reduce TK's?! I made some errors myself as I was going from memory and thought it was the league Whelan got injured in - as you well know it was 2 points he scored the first day and Kelly score 7 from play in the Munster final. I didnt bother researching the rest but given the two I did you may well have changed those to suit also!
Either way its all a matter of opinion. I wouldnt be able to fit either Chin or SOD into the 20 either tbh. They'd be close though"]I didn't purposely up Whelan's score or reduce Kelly's, don't be ridiculous! Whelan scored his third point in the 32nd minute, Kelly as you say scored 7 from play in the Munster final.

baire (Galway) - Posts: 1392 - 20/07/2022 13:05:33    2433121

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Replying To tiobraid:  "
Replying To baire:  "Since you brought up scores I decided to compare the scoring record of both T Kelly and C Whelan this year. [An excercise that tells us very little about their hurling abilities
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You said: "Whelan didnt score in the first 3 games of the cship". That wasn't the case.
Whelan scored 3 great points in the first game against Wexford but pulled a hamstring in the second half and had to go off, to the great relief of the Wexford supporters!
He was back in against Dublin, marked by Eoghan O' Donnell, one of the best full backs in the country and scored 0-5. He scored 0-4 in the Leinster final against KK, scored 1-2 against Cork in the quarter final, 0-2 points v Limerick in the AISF. C Whelan imo is the player who gets fouled the most and many of those fouls go unpunished.
I agree with you when you say "Kellys performance in the first game (v Limerick) was out of this world" but his performances against Wexford and KK were, by his standards, mediocre. I don't know where you got your 13 points from play against Limerick. He scored 0-5 from play the first day and 0-6 from play in the Munster Final, a game that went to extra time.
The Knockout Stage, from play:
AIQF: Conor Whelan v Cork, 1-2. Tony Kelly v Wexford, 0-4 [Tony Kelly v Cork Round Robin, 0-3

AISF: CW v Limerick: 0-2. TK v KK: 0-1 [Whelan scored 0-4 in the LF against KK]
How can one choose between the likes of J Cooney, C Whelan, T Kelly and S O'Donnell, they are all gifted hurlers. The team of the year in the modern era should by right be a team of 20 players. Amongst those 20 players this year I'd include, not in any particular order: T Kelly, S O' Donnell, J Cooney, C Whelan, T Monaghan, L Chin."]I agree scores is not everthing which was evidenced by TJ on Sunday who was excellent.
However, given that you have went researching - why did you purposely up Whelans score and reduce TK's?! I made some errors myself as I was going from memory and thought it was the league Whelan got injured in - as you well know it was 2 points he scored the first day and Kelly score 7 from play in the Munster final. I didnt bother researching the rest but given the two I did you may well have changed those to suit also!
Either way its all a matter of opinion. I wouldnt be able to fit either Chin or SOD into the 20 either tbh. They'd be close though"]Whelan is massive for Galway and would probably be fitted in by any other intercounty manager if there was a transfer system in place. He would even improve Limericks front 6 never mind anyone else's.

Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 6707 - 20/07/2022 13:07:09    2433123

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Replying To ballydalane:  "If Tipp do well next year, no one in Tipp will care how Bonnar was dismissed or Cahill was appointed. That's the reality, results dictate everything.

Having said that, the whole thing was very shabby. Doesn't reflect well on Cahill either, whether that's fair or not. It's obvious he was told in advance from Tipp Co Board that Bonnar was getting the bullet."
And the statement Cahill brought out about not getting any calls until Bonner was sacked was a bit unnecessary. It makes the whole situation stink even more.
That said the right man got the job and bring tipp hurling on leaps and bounds.

Bon (Kildare) - Posts: 1742 - 20/07/2022 13:11:58    2433124

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Replying To ballydalane:  "If Tipp do well next year, no one in Tipp will care how Bonnar was dismissed or Cahill was appointed. That's the reality, results dictate everything.

Having said that, the whole thing was very shabby. Doesn't reflect well on Cahill either, whether that's fair or not. It's obvious he was told in advance from Tipp Co Board that Bonnar was getting the bullet."
Agree with you but if things don't go so good especially off the hop (which is very likely) the reverse will be the case and the long knives will be out. This is something Liam could do without. Incidentally he says there was no contact before Bonnar got the job------

Canuck (Waterford) - Posts: 2371 - 20/07/2022 13:15:37    2433127

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Replying To tiobraid:  "Hes regulalry outscored by Cathal Mannion and Tom Monaghan so I'd say youre a bit harsh there. Hes not a one man forward line like people are making out in the mould that the likes of Eoin Kelly was for years for Tipp. Top player but no all star this year."
Its not just about the scores but CW scores in almost all games he plays in - its his savage workrate and intensity as well as the number of frees he wins in games as defenders know he is a big threat with ball in hand.

tommy k (Galway) - Posts: 2824 - 20/07/2022 13:26:37    2433129

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Replying To baire:  "You're doing Canning a disservice Pope. Have a look at his greatest goals on YouTube and you'll see him going past 4 or 5 Tipp defenders and burying it in the net. The reason some of the other Galway forwards could score was often due to the attention given to Canning, the same happened this year with Whelan."
Would agree with that baire and the only reason JC was "brought out to the 40" later in his career was that he was not getting good enough service inside and not because he couldn't score goals / points etc. There are loads of examples in both club and county where he could play at 14 or sometimes 15 as per the following clip: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YDEMpr9cUmE&t=53s

tommy k (Galway) - Posts: 2824 - 20/07/2022 13:38:15    2433132

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Replying To ballydalane:  "If Tipp do well next year, no one in Tipp will care how Bonnar was dismissed or Cahill was appointed. That's the reality, results dictate everything.

Having said that, the whole thing was very shabby. Doesn't reflect well on Cahill either, whether that's fair or not. It's obvious he was told in advance from Tipp Co Board that Bonnar was getting the bullet."
I wouldnt be so sure he was told. At the end of the day he was a rival manager so why would he be told? I wouldnt be surprised if he was sounded out in some way though. I doubt it was as straight forward as you say.
People in the know say senior players believed their clubs had a more professional set up than Tipp last year and this was brought to the county board. I'm not one for player power but if the set up is well below what went before then its hard to blame them either.

tiobraid (Tipperary) - Posts: 3710 - 20/07/2022 13:43:03    2433135

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Replying To ballydalane:  "If Tipp do well next year, no one in Tipp will care how Bonnar was dismissed or Cahill was appointed. That's the reality, results dictate everything.

Having said that, the whole thing was very shabby. Doesn't reflect well on Cahill either, whether that's fair or not. It's obvious he was told in advance from Tipp Co Board that Bonnar was getting the bullet."
I agree it was badly handled by the Tipp board but unless we know for certain that Cahill was told in advance I don't think it's fair to attach any of the blame on him.

midlands (Westmeath) - Posts: 412 - 20/07/2022 13:48:19    2433136

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Replying To baire:  "No All star from a Tipp man, quelle surprise! Jamsie O' Connor doesn't agree with you and he knows a thing or two about forwards!"
How would Tipp get an All star when they lost all 4 games? How old are you by the way?
Jamsie also knows plenty about playing midfield and he selected McInerney there.... One of his first lines written by him was (Daithi Burke was back to his best this year...." Enough said. Great player but no where near his best this year. He marked Callanan in Callanans prime but struggled this year especially for long periods on Gillane but his positioning in the Cork game was questionbly more than once. Back to his best - definitely not for me.

Second year in a row he hasnt picked Sean Finn!!! A lot of peoples pick for HOTY in 2021 (he picked Sean O'D ahead of him). Fabulous player but not the best pundit by a long shot.

You kind of shot yourself in the foot a bit with that post, didnt you?

tiobraid (Tipperary) - Posts: 3710 - 20/07/2022 13:52:29    2433139

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Replying To baire:  "You're doing Canning a disservice Pope. Have a look at his greatest goals on YouTube and you'll see him going past 4 or 5 Tipp defenders and burying it in the net. The reason some of the other Galway forwards could score was often due to the attention given to Canning, the same happened this year with Whelan."
What year was that? I cant remember him scoring a goal against Tipp at least in the cship but i could be wrong

tiobraid (Tipperary) - Posts: 3710 - 20/07/2022 13:57:22    2433142

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Replying To tiobraid:  "How would Tipp get an All star when they lost all 4 games? How old are you by the way?
Jamsie also knows plenty about playing midfield and he selected McInerney there.... One of his first lines written by him was (Daithi Burke was back to his best this year...." Enough said. Great player but no where near his best this year. He marked Callanan in Callanans prime but struggled this year especially for long periods on Gillane but his positioning in the Cork game was questionbly more than once. Back to his best - definitely not for me.

Second year in a row he hasnt picked Sean Finn!!! A lot of peoples pick for HOTY in 2021 (he picked Sean O'D ahead of him). Fabulous player but not the best pundit by a long shot.

You kind of shot yourself in the foot a bit with that post, didnt you?"
O connors team is a stretch on a stretch. Conor whelan gets in my team. Imo only player in the country that has a chance of getting into the Limerick forward unit. I wouldn't have Tony Kelly. He just never shows up on the big days. After wex and kk matches he played his way off the team. People can say all they want but that's the time you get in or out.
Whelan Gillane TJ that's my FF line

daveboy (Limerick) - Posts: 847 - 20/07/2022 15:17:21    2433167

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I did ask Ballyladane in my post did he think Liam was lying but I guess it got edited out. God help us if a question like that has to be edited out. I never accused him it.

Canuck (Waterford) - Posts: 2371 - 20/07/2022 15:33:00    2433172

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Replying To daveboy:  "O connors team is a stretch on a stretch. Conor whelan gets in my team. Imo only player in the country that has a chance of getting into the Limerick forward unit. I wouldn't have Tony Kelly. He just never shows up on the big days. After wex and kk matches he played his way off the team. People can say all they want but that's the time you get in or out.
Whelan Gillane TJ that's my FF line"
The big games this year for Clare up to the point of those games was the Limerick games and Clare would have done anything for Munster title. Its harsh to say he didnt show up as that was a big day for him. I get where you're going with it though but he was so good in so many games he gets in for me. Everyone will never agree

tiobraid (Tipperary) - Posts: 3710 - 20/07/2022 15:38:27    2433173

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Replying To tommy k:  "Its not just about the scores but CW scores in almost all games he plays in - its his savage workrate and intensity as well as the number of frees he wins in games as defenders know he is a big threat with ball in hand."
No denying that but the original poster suggested hes a one man forward line which I dont agree with.

tiobraid (Tipperary) - Posts: 3710 - 20/07/2022 15:40:41    2433176

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Replying To daveboy:  "O connors team is a stretch on a stretch. Conor whelan gets in my team. Imo only player in the country that has a chance of getting into the Limerick forward unit. I wouldn't have Tony Kelly. He just never shows up on the big days. After wex and kk matches he played his way off the team. People can say all they want but that's the time you get in or out.
Whelan Gillane TJ that's my FF line"
Tony Kelly exceptional on both days against Limerick {Munster final} is that not a big day was very good in all other Munster games came into it late v WX well marshalled v KK but most of team out of sorts . POW at 19 what a ridiculous comment to say he never turns up on big days.

Gillane a marquee forward was v quiet in Munster Final V Galway and was practically anonymous on Hue Lawlor.

The arrogance is insufferable

clooney (Clare) - Posts: 780 - 20/07/2022 15:45:56    2433178

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