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Replying To ExiledInWex:  "It will be interesting to see if Liam Cahill can turn Tipp around because to be fair after turfing out Colm Bonner after 1 year the expectation will be that he will turn them around, and fast!
They should never have appointed Colm Bonner, lots in Wexford think he was their poorest ever manager in spite of the turgid playing group he had at his disposal. They had just been in an All-Ireland semi final the previous year I think."
We had Colm Bonnar in Carlow and he was brilliant. Won the Ring Cup and McDonagh Cup in successive years.
Won Division 2 and drew with Galway the next year in the league.
We also trailed Galway up in Salthill by a couple of points with a few minutes to go before losing by five in the championship.

Any of the Carlow players I spoke to said he was brilliant at getting a team spirit together and had excellent preparation.

I think he's been badly treated by Tipp. I don't think anyone could have done better with them considering their retirements and injuries.

carlovia (None) - Posts: 1499 - 19/07/2022 16:22:53    2432977

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I wonder how many of the Tipp older group will get difficult phone calls from Cahill over the next few weeks. He has priors of making hard calls for players. The bubble has burst a little on cahill for me. I had huge admiration for him up to this year but he's still undoubtedly a good man to run a squad of hungry players.

daveboy (Limerick) - Posts: 847 - 19/07/2022 16:24:07    2432979

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Replying To tommy k:  "Yes its never easy but its certainly easier if a forward has good / consistent team-mates around him but Conor Whelan doesn't have that luxury most of the time (a bit like Joe Canning for most of his intercounty career) so he often double or treble marked and the fact that he gets or creates a lot of scores through being fouled etc. and is constantly working / tackling defenders coming out deserves an all-star IMHO."
Where did these rumours start about Joe being double and treble marked? Joe was often easily handled by just one defensive player. He often wasn't easily handled also, to be entirely fair to him. The key move for Joe imo, was get him out around the middle third, where his peerless touch would almost guarantee some positive influence on proceedings. By contrast, he was usually easy enough to negate in the full forward line, where his lack of pace was often an issue that hampered his capacity to cause mayhem in there.

Pope_Benedict (Galway) - Posts: 2729 - 19/07/2022 16:44:16    2432985

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Replying To tiobraid:  "Name your team and show us who you're dropping for those 3..."
I was joking about including Fintan. I wasn't joking about how well he handled Hegarty though. Joe Cooney should be included, if the team is to have credibility from a Galway perspective. He was a versatile player in 2022, could go in at 7,8,9 or 12 I'd say, with the 4 Limerick certs at 5,6,10 and 11 limiting the options. The Galway jury would vote Mannion at no7, Cooney at 8,9 or 12.

Pope_Benedict (Galway) - Posts: 2729 - 19/07/2022 16:52:54    2432988

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Replying To tommy k:  "Yes its never easy but its certainly easier if a forward has good / consistent team-mates around him but Conor Whelan doesn't have that luxury most of the time (a bit like Joe Canning for most of his intercounty career) so he often double or treble marked and the fact that he gets or creates a lot of scores through being fouled etc. and is constantly working / tackling defenders coming out deserves an all-star IMHO."
For working/tackling defenders he deserves an All Star? That is any inter county forwards basic job. Please take the tinted glasses off. Scores and assists on the boards are what is relative with the forwards and he doesn't have enough of either again this year.

countyman2022 (Wexford) - Posts: 309 - 19/07/2022 16:57:33    2432990

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Replying To moc.dna:  "The wording of the Tipperary County Board statement re Colm Bonnar was disgraceful, he deserved better than that shocking press release. The way it was worded could have been construed wrongly by many people.
Tipperary County Board & Liam Cahill are now under massive pressure to deliver an All Ireland within two years."
I would have to agree with you. This will come back to haunt Tipp and Liam's job is now harder. You would have to ask did they proof read what they were saying or just get one ignoramus to write it. You know "get rid of him." "Joe you do it".That what it certainly looks like to the outsider even if that was not the case.

Canuck (Waterford) - Posts: 2371 - 19/07/2022 17:28:48    2432993

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Replying To Pope_Benedict:  "Where did these rumours start about Joe being double and treble marked? Joe was often easily handled by just one defensive player. He often wasn't easily handled also, to be entirely fair to him. The key move for Joe imo, was get him out around the middle third, where his peerless touch would almost guarantee some positive influence on proceedings. By contrast, he was usually easy enough to negate in the full forward line, where his lack of pace was often an issue that hampered his capacity to cause mayhem in there."
Joe was often double or treble marked from any match I saw him in at least. I also thought he was very effective in the full forward line and scored some very important goals from that position even though the service into him wasn't always the best either a bit like the current service into Whelan.

tommy k (Galway) - Posts: 2824 - 19/07/2022 17:34:38    2432995

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Replying To countyman2022:  "For working/tackling defenders he deserves an All Star? That is any inter county forwards basic job. Please take the tinted glasses off. Scores and assists on the boards are what is relative with the forwards and he doesn't have enough of either again this year."
No I didn't mean he deserves an all-star for his work-rate alone so you misread my post. I meant for his overall performances as he scored in all the games he played this year (some very important scores like the goal against Cork which made the difference) as well as being fouled for other scores even though he was often double / treble marked in most games. That man is a warrior.

tommy k (Galway) - Posts: 2824 - 19/07/2022 17:44:40    2432997

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Replying To daveboy:  "I wonder how many of the Tipp older group will get difficult phone calls from Cahill over the next few weeks. He has priors of making hard calls for players. The bubble has burst a little on cahill for me. I had huge admiration for him up to this year but he's still undoubtedly a good man to run a squad of hungry players."
There's a bit of rot there he needs to cull for sure and I've no doubt he is the man to make the big calls. There's a few journey men there on the panel who've been kicking about for a good while now that need to be shown the door. He'll add a bit of steel too that was badly lacking this year. I never saw tipp hurling as soft as it was this year, especially when you think of the warriors they've produced over the years.

Bon (Kildare) - Posts: 1742 - 19/07/2022 17:50:41    2432999

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Good game of hurling..well done to Limerick. Less said about the referee.

F4 (Kilkenny) - Posts: 47 - 19/07/2022 21:30:47    2433022

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Replying To tiobraid:  "Whelan didnt score in the first 3 games of the cship - I dont think he played in them but its worth pointing out. Tony Kelly scored 13 points from play against Limerick in the cship. Its possibly lazy analysis but Whelan scored 2 points against Limerick - granted theres a lot more to a game than that.
Theres so much to debate than just them few games but Kellys performace in the first game was out of this world. Cant be left out for me. The two lads were really good but only one of the 3 Galway lads (incl Monahan) gets in for me."
Since you brought up scores I decided to compare the scoring record of both T Kelly and C Whelan this year. [An excercise that tells us very little about their hurling abilities].
You said: "Whelan didnt score in the first 3 games of the cship". That wasn't the case.
Whelan scored 3 great points in the first game against Wexford but pulled a hamstring in the second half and had to go off, to the great relief of the Wexford supporters!
He was back in against Dublin, marked by Eoghan O' Donnell, one of the best full backs in the country and scored 0-5. He scored 0-4 in the Leinster final against KK, scored 1-2 against Cork in the quarter final, 0-2 points v Limerick in the AISF. C Whelan imo is the player who gets fouled the most and many of those fouls go unpunished.
I agree with you when you say "Kellys performance in the first game (v Limerick) was out of this world" but his performances against Wexford and KK were, by his standards, mediocre. I don't know where you got your 13 points from play against Limerick. He scored 0-5 from play the first day and 0-6 from play in the Munster Final, a game that went to extra time.
The Knockout Stage, from play:
AIQF: Conor Whelan v Cork, 1-2. Tony Kelly v Wexford, 0-4 [Tony Kelly v Cork Round Robin, 0-3]
AISF: CW v Limerick: 0-2. TK v KK: 0-1 [Whelan scored 0-4 in the LF against KK]
How can one choose between the likes of J Cooney, C Whelan, T Kelly and S O'Donnell, they are all gifted hurlers. The team of the year in the modern era should by right be a team of 20 players. Amongst those 20 players this year I'd include, not in any particular order: T Kelly, S O' Donnell, J Cooney, C Whelan, T Monaghan, L Chin.

baire (Galway) - Posts: 1392 - 20/07/2022 08:54:58    2433032

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Replying To Pope_Benedict:  "Where did these rumours start about Joe being double and treble marked? Joe was often easily handled by just one defensive player. He often wasn't easily handled also, to be entirely fair to him. The key move for Joe imo, was get him out around the middle third, where his peerless touch would almost guarantee some positive influence on proceedings. By contrast, he was usually easy enough to negate in the full forward line, where his lack of pace was often an issue that hampered his capacity to cause mayhem in there."
Finally some sense spoken. I've yet to see 2-3 players man marking an intercounty player! Silly talk

tiobraid (Tipperary) - Posts: 3710 - 20/07/2022 09:00:04    2433034

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Replying To daveboy:  "I wonder how many of the Tipp older group will get difficult phone calls from Cahill over the next few weeks. He has priors of making hard calls for players. The bubble has burst a little on cahill for me. I had huge admiration for him up to this year but he's still undoubtedly a good man to run a squad of hungry players."
Exactly what we've been talking about on the family whatsapp the last few days. There will be a few obvious older lads gone and Cahill will also no doubt do what Mourinho does and pick out 1-2 younger lads as well

tiobraid (Tipperary) - Posts: 3710 - 20/07/2022 09:01:56    2433035

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Replying To Viking66:  "Think even Limerick would struggle without 5 of their best players. But on the other hand 2 of those ads are retired and there's no guarantee the other 3 will commit for another year or will be as good as they were if they do. They are all past 30 and the modern game, with round robins and only a week, maybe 2 the odd time, between most games, is much harder physically and faster than it was."
John McGrath is 27 but hes one that we might not see in a Tipp jersey again or any time soon

tiobraid (Tipperary) - Posts: 3710 - 20/07/2022 09:09:53    2433037

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Replying To Viking66:  "Cahill and Bevans are back in Tipp. They will get them fitter. Will be interesting to see whether he starts with a largely new senior panel and retires alot of the older lads or whether he tries to bring them along for their experience. Also it will be interesting to see how he sets the team up tactically. Waterford looked all at sea that way this year.
Finally after achieving a little success in the shortened seasons it will be interesting to see how he adjusts to the round robins. Ultimately he has won no senior championship trophies in his career despite having what most pundits agreed was the deepest intercounty squad this year so he has alot to prove still."
Interesting that your first point is that he will get them fitter. Couldnt agree more. Thats the number 1 issue that has been very evident the last few years. Interesting also that they are in the process of poaching the highly regarded S&C coach from Lohan and Clare. Seems that will be a huge plus and also blow to Clare.

tiobraid (Tipperary) - Posts: 3710 - 20/07/2022 09:11:49    2433038

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Replying To tommy k:  "Yes its never easy but its certainly easier if a forward has good / consistent team-mates around him but Conor Whelan doesn't have that luxury most of the time (a bit like Joe Canning for most of his intercounty career) so he often double or treble marked and the fact that he gets or creates a lot of scores through being fouled etc. and is constantly working / tackling defenders coming out deserves an all-star IMHO."
Hes regulalry outscored by Cathal Mannion and Tom Monaghan so I'd say youre a bit harsh there. Hes not a one man forward line like people are making out in the mould that the likes of Eoin Kelly was for years for Tipp. Top player but no all star this year.

tiobraid (Tipperary) - Posts: 3710 - 20/07/2022 09:15:49    2433039

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Replying To tiobraid:  "Hes regulalry outscored by Cathal Mannion and Tom Monaghan so I'd say youre a bit harsh there. Hes not a one man forward line like people are making out in the mould that the likes of Eoin Kelly was for years for Tipp. Top player but no all star this year."
Ah Eoin Kelly was in a league of his own, absolutely lethal and strong as an ox.

Bon (Kildare) - Posts: 1742 - 20/07/2022 09:46:33    2433044

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Huge congratulations to limerick.

I've always had a soft spot for them, and am thrilled for their supporters in particular.

Great people altogether.

It's hard to compare teams from different eras so won't get into that.

What I will say, 3 in a row is a rare thing, especially outside the big 3.

Limerick are the model for all of us hurling counties.

It can be done in the modern era.

The gap has closed slightly, and limerick have brought us all on.

I can't wait for next year.

Seeing Clare and kk trouble them a bit shows their dominance can and will end at some point.

I think we can look at forward to a new golden era of hurling.

Doylerwex (Wexford) - Posts: 2001 - 20/07/2022 10:28:13    2433056

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Replying To tiobraid:  "Hes regulalry outscored by Cathal Mannion and Tom Monaghan so I'd say youre a bit harsh there. Hes not a one man forward line like people are making out in the mould that the likes of Eoin Kelly was for years for Tipp. Top player but no all star this year."
No All star from a Tipp man, quelle surprise! Jamsie O' Connor doesn't agree with you and he knows a thing or two about forwards!

baire (Galway) - Posts: 1392 - 20/07/2022 10:54:59    2433066

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Replying To Pope_Benedict:  "Where did these rumours start about Joe being double and treble marked? Joe was often easily handled by just one defensive player. He often wasn't easily handled also, to be entirely fair to him. The key move for Joe imo, was get him out around the middle third, where his peerless touch would almost guarantee some positive influence on proceedings. By contrast, he was usually easy enough to negate in the full forward line, where his lack of pace was often an issue that hampered his capacity to cause mayhem in there."
You're doing Canning a disservice Pope. Have a look at his greatest goals on YouTube and you'll see him going past 4 or 5 Tipp defenders and burying it in the net. The reason some of the other Galway forwards could score was often due to the attention given to Canning, the same happened this year with Whelan.

baire (Galway) - Posts: 1392 - 20/07/2022 11:03:39    2433079

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