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Replying To baire:  "What if Galway had all their players fully fit for the 2018 final!"
Well I agree Baire, but they were all passed fit to play at least and were any of them replaced during the game. I always believe you should never play an unfit.player, for a variety of reasons. Firstly, he is more likely to get injured or even cause long damage, secondly it must be horribly annoying for a perfectly fit player, who has trained hard all the year, and is still be passed over for a player that is not fully fit and in addition to all that it can little for overall team morale.
Finally,both our counties seem to have underperformed on Final days over the past forty years. Our current side and the Galway team of the late Eighties are the exceptions to that Rule.

Oldtourman (Limerick) - Posts: 3844 - 15/07/2022 15:22:28    2432247

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I think hurling needs a Kilkenny win on Sunday. Everyone likes to see the underdogs win, plus I think it would be a huge boost for hurling nationally to see a different team win it for a change, it would give all the other smaller counties hope.



.... I'll get me coat

ballydalane (Kilkenny) - Posts: 1215 - 15/07/2022 15:55:46    2432254

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On a serious note, I think the heat forecast for Sunday will be a huge advantage for limerick for the following reasons:

- they're the fittest team in hurling, the closest to a full time professional outfit as we've ever seen in the sport. Hard enough to match on a "normal" day but in the blistering heat, a mammoth task.

- Kilkenny's best player TJ Reid is also their oldest, at 34. And while he keeps himself in great shape no doubt, 34 is still 34 and in the heat he'll feel it against lads 10 years younger than him.

- Kilkenny's game, particularly in defence, is about tight marking and constant pressure on the man in possession, usually in 2s and 3s. A difficult gamelan to maintain in extreme heat. Any drop of in intensity, and a couple of yards extra space for Limerick forwards will prove costly.

On a "normal" day, I'd give us a decent chance, but I can see us wilting in the last 10-15 and Limerick pulling away by about 6 or 7.

ballydalane (Kilkenny) - Posts: 1215 - 15/07/2022 16:11:38    2432256

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Replying To Oldtourman:  "Well I agree Baire, but they were all passed fit to play at least and were any of them replaced during the game. I always believe you should never play an unfit.player, for a variety of reasons. Firstly, he is more likely to get injured or even cause long damage, secondly it must be horribly annoying for a perfectly fit player, who has trained hard all the year, and is still be passed over for a player that is not fully fit and in addition to all that it can little for overall team morale.
Finally,both our counties seem to have underperformed on Final days over the past forty years. Our current side and the Galway team of the late Eighties are the exceptions to that Rule."
There is no point in talking about what ifs OTM. I have seen you making that point before re the 2017 final. There can be all sorts of what ifs. The second goal Waterford scored that day was the Galway keeper's fault and the other goal was on the soft side. What if they hadn't been conceded! These things happen, players get injured, teams underperform etc. Galway were the better team on the day. Waterford have a good record against Galway in Thurles but not in Croke Park in an AIF. There's no other hurling county I'd like to see winning an AI more than Waterford, their wait no more than Mayo in the football, has been too long.

baire (Galway) - Posts: 1392 - 15/07/2022 16:56:56    2432264

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Replying To Galway9801:  "I'll tip kilkenny though I hope limerick win.
Over the mast 2 games limerick have looked beatable while kilkenny have looked fantastic, reminding me of the team of old.
Having said that limerick might just roar to life and annihilate them lol so we'll see.
Can't wait."
An each way bet for you.!

endgame (Roscommon) - Posts: 1848 - 15/07/2022 17:31:29    2432272

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Replying To minor77:  "After the drawn 2012 all Ireland hurling final joe canning did an interview and what he said was used and taken out of context to cast Henry shefflin in a certain way which shows what can happen I still go back to my original point supporters are very fickle"
Supporters are very stupid if they think an interview with a newspaper has any effect on player performance.

ExiledInWex (Dublin) - Posts: 477 - 15/07/2022 18:04:36    2432275

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Replying To Oldtourman:  "Well I agree Baire, but they were all passed fit to play at least and were any of them replaced during the game. I always believe you should never play an unfit.player, for a variety of reasons. Firstly, he is more likely to get injured or even cause long damage, secondly it must be horribly annoying for a perfectly fit player, who has trained hard all the year, and is still be passed over for a player that is not fully fit and in addition to all that it can little for overall team morale.
Finally,both our counties seem to have underperformed on Final days over the past forty years. Our current side and the Galway team of the late Eighties are the exceptions to that Rule."
Sick with nerves.

Agree with Clubgaa. Enjoy the game.

slayer (Limerick) - Posts: 6355 - 15/07/2022 18:06:12    2432276

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Replying To Oldtourman:  "They have won three Leinster titles in a row and beaten a very strong Galway team in two of those finals. They are far from being a weak team. If they lose this final they will be the first Leinster team ever to do so after winning Three Leinsters in a row. If they cant beat beat a much depleted Limerick side by at least seven or points the reverse argument to the '73 KK injury 'crisis' will forever over shadow their win."
Galway people will admit that they didn't beat a very strong Galway team. Galway results outside of leinster before this year in particular have been poor and they've struggled for any kind of form.

tiobraid (Tipperary) - Posts: 3710 - 15/07/2022 20:22:05    2432286

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Replying To Shocs07:  "Considering how they've grinded out results this year it's highly unlikely, if they were to win, that it would be by a decent margin. Certainly if it was last year i think it would be a different story. So i don't really accept that if they don't win comfortably that it puts them in a poor light. To be honest, they look like a jaded team. Thank god Gillane and Byrnes have been been keeping the scoreboard ticking over"
Kk had a relatively poor leinster campaign overall bu their standards. In the leinster final their forwards scored something like 2-3 points from play.
They were excellent against Clare but it remains to be seen if that was down to how poor Clare were on the day and there can be no doubt they were poor and the dogs in the streets will tell you the Clare management got things massively wrong in the build up to that game - but that's a different story.
Either way I'll be very surprised if this is a close game past the 45-50 mins.
Limerick for me are a far far superior side even without the best hurler in Ireland who is unquestionably a huge loss.

tiobraid (Tipperary) - Posts: 3710 - 15/07/2022 20:27:21    2432288

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Replying To ExiledInWex:  "This Limerick team are already one of the truly great GAA teams. Win lose or draw on Sunday.
Winning 1 All-Ireland makes you a great team, winning multiple makes you a truly great team and this Limerick team already right up there with the great Kilkenny team.
If I am picking the greatest, I am still picking the cats."
Pretty much exactly what I said. Sunday is another step in where they fall in the pecking order

tiobraid (Tipperary) - Posts: 3710 - 15/07/2022 20:28:18    2432289

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Replying To baire:  "What if Galway had all their players fully fit for the 2018 final!"
What about the other 19 finals that they lost?

Shocs07 (Limerick) - Posts: 281 - 16/07/2022 09:36:56    2432296

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Replying To ballydalane:  "I think hurling needs a Kilkenny win on Sunday. Everyone likes to see the underdogs win, plus I think it would be a huge boost for hurling nationally to see a different team win it for a change, it would give all the other smaller counties hope.



.... I'll get me coat"
You had be scratching my head until "I'll get me coat" lol

Galway9801 (Galway) - Posts: 1359 - 16/07/2022 10:17:46    2432300

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Replying To tiobraid:  "Kk had a relatively poor leinster campaign overall bu their standards. In the leinster final their forwards scored something like 2-3 points from play.
They were excellent against Clare but it remains to be seen if that was down to how poor Clare were on the day and there can be no doubt they were poor and the dogs in the streets will tell you the Clare management got things massively wrong in the build up to that game - but that's a different story.
Either way I'll be very surprised if this is a close game past the 45-50 mins.
Limerick for me are a far far superior side even without the best hurler in Ireland who is unquestionably a huge loss."
What do you mean when you say they got things wrong in the build up to the game?

I can't see Limerick losing this either, think they'll be comfortable with 10 minutes to go. They always seem to have a few different players that step up when others are quite.

Dec82andahalf (Clare) - Posts: 31 - 16/07/2022 10:26:40    2432303

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Replying To Dec82andahalf:  "What do you mean when you say they got things wrong in the build up to the game?

I can't see Limerick losing this either, think they'll be comfortable with 10 minutes to go. They always seem to have a few different players that step up when others are quite."
I heard from a few Clare people that Clare were over trained leading up to the game…which is very hard to believe given there was only a two week gap from the wexford game. Could well all be a load of rubbish but that's what I heard. They lost and that's all that's really relevant

tiobraid (Tipperary) - Posts: 3710 - 16/07/2022 10:35:03    2432304

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Replying To Dec82andahalf:  "What do you mean when you say they got things wrong in the build up to the game?

I can't see Limerick losing this either, think they'll be comfortable with 10 minutes to go. They always seem to have a few different players that step up when others are quite."
Bringing in Paidi Fitzpatrick, a player I believe who had seen no action in league or championship until then, as a replacement for John Conlon, would fit the category of "getting things wrong in the build up to the game" in my book. I know it was forced on them at short notice but still....losing one of your top and most influential players who played in a vital position and directly replacing him with a complete rookie was daft imo to put it mildly.

PoolSturgeon (Galway) - Posts: 1725 - 16/07/2022 11:26:13    2432312

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Replying To tiobraid:  "I heard from a few Clare people that Clare were over trained leading up to the game…which is very hard to believe given there was only a two week gap from the wexford game. Could well all be a load of rubbish but that's what I heard. They lost and that's all that's really relevant"
Didn't hear that but strange if it's true. You're right, it is all that's relevant.

Dec82andahalf (Clare) - Posts: 31 - 16/07/2022 12:31:57    2432323

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Replying To PoolSturgeon:  "Bringing in Paidi Fitzpatrick, a player I believe who had seen no action in league or championship until then, as a replacement for John Conlon, would fit the category of "getting things wrong in the build up to the game" in my book. I know it was forced on them at short notice but still....losing one of your top and most influential players who played in a vital position and directly replacing him with a complete rookie was daft imo to put it mildly."
I agree with that 100%, ridiculous decision. Clare got everything wrong that day but its done now. I was just wondering about the build up, meaning the 2 weeks leading up to it.

Dec82andahalf (Clare) - Posts: 31 - 16/07/2022 12:37:20    2432324

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Replying To tiobraid:  "Galway people will admit that they didn't beat a very strong Galway team. Galway results outside of leinster before this year in particular have been poor and they've struggled for any kind of form."
What years are you referring to? Since Galway entered the Leinster championship, apart from Tipp, Galway was the only team that consistently put it up to the great KK team of Shefflin and co. What caught them in 2018 was the toll of 3 tough games against KK and those hard games took their toll on KK too, weakening their total dominance in both Leinster and in the All Ireland series. The Galway 2012-18 team had huge battles with Tipp too with no more than a point between them. If you're saying that that Galway team was poor well the standard in KK and Tipp must have been poor too. I don't think many would agree with you on that score!

baire (Galway) - Posts: 1392 - 16/07/2022 13:11:46    2432329

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Replying To Shocs07:  "What about the other 19 finals that they lost?"
What about them!

baire (Galway) - Posts: 1392 - 16/07/2022 13:18:04    2432330

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Replying To baire:  "What years are you referring to? Since Galway entered the Leinster championship, apart from Tipp, Galway was the only team that consistently put it up to the great KK team of Shefflin and co. What caught them in 2018 was the toll of 3 tough games against KK and those hard games took their toll on KK too, weakening their total dominance in both Leinster and in the All Ireland series. The Galway 2012-18 team had huge battles with Tipp too with no more than a point between them. If you're saying that that Galway team was poor well the standard in KK and Tipp must have been poor too. I don't think many would agree with you on that score!"
Post 2018….read the original post

tiobraid (Tipperary) - Posts: 3710 - 16/07/2022 18:14:09    2432381

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