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The Donegal/Armagh Row

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Replying To TopOfTheSquare:  "Good to see the lads get the suspensions squashed, going to be a real interesting game on Sunday now. i See Donegal still without the 2 players as they didnt appeal it"
Do you think that's fair?

baire (Galway) - Posts: 1377 - 20/04/2022 10:38:13    2411723

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Replying To countymonaghan:  "Where is there any sense in all of this??

Absolute shambles on the GAA's behalf. Do not mind the 3 players getting off but let the 2 Donegal players off too. Be fair about it all. I can understand these 5 getting off as really and truly it was all a scuffle and probably none of them threw a punch. But to let O'Neill off with what he done is a farce. Also any Donegal player which may have struck an opponent should also see suspension (from video footage).

Referee's and officials can not watch 30 plus lads all in a melee at once and be able to put names and numbers beside each person involved so video evidence should be used to be fair. Let's take some of the blame away from officials here they're trying their best. But when they make decisions and then the hierarchy overturns them it makes little of their decisions. Officials may not of saw O'Neill strike the Donegal player but the video doesn't lie so why can't both be combined to put the report in place before handing out suspensions??

Feel for Donegal as they put their hands up and accepted their players were in the wrong but it look's like they should of appealed as they would of succeeded no doubt. Really hoping for a Donegal win here now as they will be defeating not only Armagh but the whole system. Looking forward to a good high tempo game which more than likely will have plenty of cards on display.

Conor McKenna should get off with his red card from the weekend if this is how the GAA are handling it. If anything is to be taken from this is that every red card should be appealed and more than likely will get off. GAA need a long look at how they handle these situations."
Can you share the grounds on which the appeals were granted?

ardmhacha (Armagh) - Posts: 126 - 20/04/2022 10:55:07    2411728

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So the GAA wants to stamp out melees, well they have a funny way of showing it. By cleaeing the four Armagh players, they are sending out the signal that every future player should appeal and get their suspension lifted. It also begs the question why are the two Donegal players still suspended; were they fighting with each other. I can't imagine all four Armagh players are innocent and the two Donegal players are guilt. The GAA is professional in alot of ways but when it comes to punishing indiscipline, they have proven that their process is a joke and they have never sorted it out properly.

wicklowsupport (Wicklow) - Posts: 1653 - 20/04/2022 10:57:54    2411729

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This whole saga has turned into a sorry mess. Do the GAA explain why these kind of suspensions are overturned? We are all second guessing when we don't know why the bans were overturned. Was it some kind of technicality? It really undermines the refs.

I am happy enough that Armagh are at full strength and let the best team win. Let us see what Donegal are made of. The real loser in this fiasco is Odhran McFadden-Ferry who didn't appeal and would have been a guaranteed starter. I don't think Neil McGee would have started.

Green_Gold (Donegal) - Posts: 1823 - 20/04/2022 10:59:03    2411730

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Replying To ardmhacha:  "Can you share the grounds on which the appeals were granted?"
The ref and linesmen imagined the whole thing and we were watching a cartoon on tv rather than real footage.

Donegalman (None) - Posts: 3827 - 20/04/2022 11:04:30    2411735

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Replying To Fkd12:  "Absolute disgrace Armagh winning the appeals"
Why?

foreveryoung (USA) - Posts: 1326 - 20/04/2022 11:09:01    2411736

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Replying To baire:  "Do you think that's fair?"
It's fair, but very silly outta Donegal that they didn't stand behind their men, and appeal. It seems likely that Donegal would have succeeded in getting 2 lads redeemed, when Armagh were able to redeem 4.

Sure, isn't that what the appeal process is for? Why have a process at all, if nobody bothered to use it?

So, very fair!

foreveryoung (USA) - Posts: 1326 - 20/04/2022 11:12:46    2411737

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Who'd be a ref...

JoeSoap (Donegal) - Posts: 1432 - 20/04/2022 11:16:02    2411739

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Replying To baire:  "Do you think that's fair?"
Yes because Donegal set the row up and decided to not appeal it

credit_crunch (Armagh) - Posts: 55 - 20/04/2022 11:17:44    2411741

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Replying To Green_Gold:  "This whole saga has turned into a sorry mess. Do the GAA explain why these kind of suspensions are overturned? We are all second guessing when we don't know why the bans were overturned. Was it some kind of technicality? It really undermines the refs.

I am happy enough that Armagh are at full strength and let the best team win. Let us see what Donegal are made of. The real loser in this fiasco is Odhran McFadden-Ferry who didn't appeal and would have been a guaranteed starter. I don't think Neil McGee would have started."
I'd have a lot of respect for Donegal for doing the right thing. The GAA has been losing credibility for years but this is beyond belief. Karma may come back to bite Armagh.

baire (Galway) - Posts: 1377 - 20/04/2022 11:32:06    2411745

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We will beat Armagh regardless. Odhran will be a miss for sure. Neil is more of a squad man these days, and Gallen will be a miss as he offers a serious scoring threat, even if he maybe also wouldn't have started.

But there is more than enough talent and experience in the Donegal ranks to dispose of Armagh. It'll not be easy, far from it. But if I was Bonner, there would be very little time needed spent thinking of a motivational speech this weekend.

The lads should be near ready to take the dressing room doors down to get out on that pitch. Their bottle has been questioned in the recent past. No better opportunity to silence the critics and send Armagh packing.

I just think if the likes of Murphy, McBrearty, Langan and Co are on song, and at home we can see off Armagh even if they have everyone. I may of course be proven wrong. But I'm not a media pundit or a player, I can say what I feel and what I mean. Donegal by 4 points for me.

Lockjaw (Donegal) - Posts: 8049 - 20/04/2022 11:40:17    2411750

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Replying To credit_crunch:  "Yes because Donegal set the row up and decided to not appeal it"
And you wouldn't be biased of course!

baire (Galway) - Posts: 1377 - 20/04/2022 11:40:54    2411751

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Replying To credit_crunch:  "Yes because Donegal set the row up and decided to not appeal it"
Just like the row Tyrone set up in the league or Cavan during the parade a few years ago or down in Mullingar in the backdoor?

Always a case of 'wrong place, wrong time' with Armagh isn't it?

Fierce unlucky bunch altogether.

peiledoir20 (Donegal) - Posts: 337 - 20/04/2022 11:41:56    2411752

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Replying To ardmhacha:  "Can you share the grounds on which the appeals were granted?"
Nope,I seen the video evidence,in my opinion Armagh and Donegal should of accepted the punishment it's a circus at this stage,you can throw a thump ina club game and receive a suspension going by what the referee sees/says,but to have video evidence of the incident and to still get away with it is laughable

Fkd12 (Louth) - Posts: 62 - 20/04/2022 11:45:01    2411753

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Replying To credit_crunch:  "Yes because Donegal set the row up and decided to not appeal it"
It's fair because Donegal set the row up? Whether it was setup or not it doesn't justify the over turning of suspensions. I can imagine Bonner and Rochford sitting in a room coming up with a plan on how they can start a row with a team that is inferior to them. Catch yourself on will ya!

MurphBalls (Donegal) - Posts: 175 - 20/04/2022 12:02:40    2411763

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Replying To credit_crunch:  "Yes because Donegal set the row up and decided to not appeal it"
Yea Rian o neill struck out and was caught on camera and Armagh decide to appeal, and they got off. Fair is it. If the 3 Armagh men are innocent then Mc gee and Mc faddden ferry must be too. Unless the two gweedore men were fighting among themselves

rorysboys (Donegal) - Posts: 1721 - 20/04/2022 12:08:28    2411767

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An absolute joke and a farce. The whole discipline system needs an overhaul and full reform on the back of what we've seen in recent weeks. It is a spectacular mess up of the highest order. They've basically put no faith in their referees or those who reviewed and felt the likes of O'Neill had a case to answer. This process is now broken, and it can be open season for all as how can that system be used to get what we consider justice in the sport? When the trust is gone, you need a new system...

Loughduff Lad (Cavan) - Posts: 1890 - 20/04/2022 12:20:17    2411771

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Replying To peiledoir20:  "Just like the row Tyrone set up in the league or Cavan during the parade a few years ago or down in Mullingar in the backdoor?

Always a case of 'wrong place, wrong time' with Armagh isn't it?

Fierce unlucky bunch altogether."
The Appeals Committee, however, would have to judge it on the actual game where it happened (vs. Donegal), not on what happened years ago. It's a basic principle of law that you cannot be convicted on previous convictions.

Anyway, you seem to be according a very undeserved tough-men team title on Armagh. I actually think, and they've shown it over the last 20 years or so, that there's a big soft center to Armagh football.

Perhaps, they're gonna be tougher this year. Who knows? I'm not gonna convict these players on the way they've performed under McGeeney to date. But it certainly hasn't been a tough, hard players,

foreveryoung (USA) - Posts: 1326 - 20/04/2022 12:58:38    2411791

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A complete farce. For the (few) Armagh ones saying we deserve this because we engineered this, you're deluded and unable to accept your own behaviour issues. Can't wait for Sunday now, this nonsense has lit a fuse under us now.

Donegal_abroad (Donegal) - Posts: 1153 - 20/04/2022 13:00:59    2411793

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In fairness, I don't know how those 3 Armagh lads were singled out in the first place. Rian O'Neill decision is the one that makes no sense. The boy got lucky.

How is the Gaa meant to stamp out the thuggery if they let lads off the hook? Surely Armagh will continue to be Armagh with their bully tactics if lads get away with it.

fielder (Donegal) - Posts: 130 - 20/04/2022 13:13:31    2411803

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