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The Donegal/Armagh Row

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Replying To ForeverBlue2:  "There wasn't a decent punch thrown in the whole thing…. The GAA overreacting as usual"
I don't understand why you spend time commenting on a GAA message forum when it appears obvious that boxing is your preferred sport?

Lockjaw (Donegal) - Posts: 8049 - 08/04/2022 14:54:47    2410267

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Replying To Lockjaw:  "I don't understand why you spend time commenting on a GAA message forum when it appears obvious that boxing is your preferred sport?"
Another over reaction….. you should follow tiddlywinks… very little contact involved in that.. it would suit you…!!!!

ForeverBlue2 (Cavan) - Posts: 1032 - 08/04/2022 15:33:34    2410276

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Football is a hard physical sport granted. But I can't recall having a good hook as being an important part of a player's skillset? You can be a hard physical player on the pitch without needing to further underline your credentials by breaking someone's jaw. There are plenty of boxing clubs around the country if throwing punches is your preferred sport.

I'm not saying that anyone got seriously hurt in Letterkenny. But when these melees do get out of hand someone eventually will suffer, nothing surer.

Lockjaw (Donegal) - Posts: 8049 - 08/04/2022 16:27:46    2410288

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Can we put this thread to bed now? The discussion has clearly established that Armagh are 100% in the wrong and Donegal are squeaky clean.
Let's move on to talking about the game. Donegal are now obviously hot favourites. We have pretty much our whole defence available but this is the weak end of our team. We would have been hoping to build a win around Rian and it will be too big a task for the lads coming in. I do think we'll be fit to give the back door a decent run if we can get a win under our belts and keep our discipline.

ardmhacha (Armagh) - Posts: 126 - 08/04/2022 21:21:28    2410313

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Replying To ardmhacha:  "Can we put this thread to bed now? The discussion has clearly established that Armagh are 100% in the wrong and Donegal are squeaky clean.
Let's move on to talking about the game. Donegal are now obviously hot favourites. We have pretty much our whole defence available but this is the weak end of our team. We would have been hoping to build a win around Rian and it will be too big a task for the lads coming in. I do think we'll be fit to give the back door a decent run if we can get a win under our belts and keep our discipline."
Do we not have two players suspended no? We're not the ones trying to pull a stroke getting appeals overturned. Your last line says it all. Can you keep your discipline? Recet evidence would suggest not.

I do agree with you however that we should all move on and talk about the football. Should be a cracking tie.

Lockjaw (Donegal) - Posts: 8049 - 09/04/2022 12:58:52    2410360

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Replying To ardmhacha:  "Can we put this thread to bed now? The discussion has clearly established that Armagh are 100% in the wrong and Donegal are squeaky clean.
Let's move on to talking about the game. Donegal are now obviously hot favourites. We have pretty much our whole defence available but this is the weak end of our team. We would have been hoping to build a win around Rian and it will be too big a task for the lads coming in. I do think we'll be fit to give the back door a decent run if we can get a win under our belts and keep our discipline."
Put it to bed on a dig against Donegal is it? We aren't squeaky clean, we have 2 players suspended but we took our punishment.

Donegal_abroad (Donegal) - Posts: 1153 - 09/04/2022 16:02:57    2410380

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Replying To Donegal_abroad:  "Put it to bed on a dig against Donegal is it? We aren't squeaky clean, we have 2 players suspended but we took our punishment."
Ahh to be fair to poster, everybody will have their own views on what happened and the narrative that came out since. Is it Donegal's fault, Armagh were involved in an earlier melee, or Armagh have had enough disciplinary punishment, to effectively make the game a kick about?

I don't think you can blame Donegal for that, but certainly rightly or wrongly a media reputation has been built up against Armagh after the Tyrone incident, and that has suited Donegal for the championship game. A challenging first round game for Donegal has become a good opportunity to prepare for bigger games ahead.

Donegal can start looking towards an Ulster semi final, and prepare to be peaking for that weekend, whilst Armagh will have one eye on the qualifer game where they'll be a lot more competitive, at least both have some football to look forward to.

sam1884 (UK) - Posts: 957 - 10/04/2022 10:19:04    2410421

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Replying To sam1884:  "Ahh to be fair to poster, everybody will have their own views on what happened and the narrative that came out since. Is it Donegal's fault, Armagh were involved in an earlier melee, or Armagh have had enough disciplinary punishment, to effectively make the game a kick about?

I don't think you can blame Donegal for that, but certainly rightly or wrongly a media reputation has been built up against Armagh after the Tyrone incident, and that has suited Donegal for the championship game. A challenging first round game for Donegal has become a good opportunity to prepare for bigger games ahead.

Donegal can start looking towards an Ulster semi final, and prepare to be peaking for that weekend, whilst Armagh will have one eye on the qualifer game where they'll be a lot more competitive, at least both have some football to look forward to."
Don't get ahead of yourself nothing is won yet.

Tyrion (Donegal) - Posts: 116 - 10/04/2022 20:08:31    2410465

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Laughable. Just Laughable. The GAA disciplinary process is a complete farce. Consistency & transparency are totally alien concepts to them.

Anyway. Time to draw a line under it now & just concentrate on the game. Better teams than Armagh have left MacCumhaill Park sore & disappointed over the last number of years. Time to do the talking on the pitch.

Lockjaw (Donegal) - Posts: 8049 - 12/04/2022 07:33:56    2410602

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With O'Neill now free to play does this create precedent for all future appeals moving forward for all counties?
After all he is clearly seen striking O'Donnel before moving on to McMenamin and striking from behind and pulling him by the neck to the ground.

I realise the rest were all Referee report but the evidence is there.

naomh_conaill_4 (Donegal) - Posts: 443 - 12/04/2022 08:44:14    2410606

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Replying To Lockjaw:  "Laughable. Just Laughable. The GAA disciplinary process is a complete farce. Consistency & transparency are totally alien concepts to them.

Anyway. Time to draw a line under it now & just concentrate on the game. Better teams than Armagh have left MacCumhaill Park sore & disappointed over the last number of years. Time to do the talking on the pitch."
100%

letterkennyGuy (Donegal) - Posts: 134 - 12/04/2022 09:26:19    2410609

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Good to see O Neill free to play. He was the best player in Ulster championship last year. Should be a proper game now. Donegal still favourites through.

seanie08 (Monaghan) - Posts: 1692 - 12/04/2022 09:32:46    2410611

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Replying To naomh_conaill_4:  "With O'Neill now free to play does this create precedent for all future appeals moving forward for all counties?
After all he is clearly seen striking O'Donnel before moving on to McMenamin and striking from behind and pulling him by the neck to the ground.

I realise the rest were all Referee report but the evidence is there."
Exactly. I found myself scrolling down looking for the paragraph explaining the reasoning behind the ban being overturned. But no, nothing. As you say, it can be clearly seen from the footage what O'Neill did.

Forget about me being from Donegal and my inherent bias for a minute. Those two incidents alone warranted a ban if the GAA were applying any sort of consistency, based on the punishments handed down to Tyrone. I feel like I need to bless myself or soemthing here now, defending Tyrone's corner but fair is fair. I'm no conspiracy theorist but I wonder if it was any other Armagh player other than O'Neill, would he have been so lucky?

Lockjaw (Donegal) - Posts: 8049 - 12/04/2022 09:40:02    2410613

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Replying To naomh_conaill_4:  "With O'Neill now free to play does this create precedent for all future appeals moving forward for all counties?
After all he is clearly seen striking O'Donnel before moving on to McMenamin and striking from behind and pulling him by the neck to the ground.

I realise the rest were all Referee report but the evidence is there."
Agree 100%,it's laughably at this stage,the camera doesn't lie

Fkd12 (Louth) - Posts: 62 - 12/04/2022 09:46:54    2410616

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Are these rulings published anywhere? Is there a CCCC page on the GAA website?

Mayonman (Galway) - Posts: 1656 - 12/04/2022 10:04:04    2410620

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No better incentive now lads. Beat them with Rian o neill .

rorysboys (Donegal) - Posts: 1721 - 12/04/2022 10:09:54    2410622

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What a farce, they should let every man that was banned play so, O'Neill was as clear cut as you could get.
Anyway time to look forward to the game, we'll do our talking on the pitch.

Tirchonaill1 (Donegal) - Posts: 2146 - 12/04/2022 10:11:52    2410623

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Replying To naomh_conaill_4:  "With O'Neill now free to play does this create precedent for all future appeals moving forward for all counties?
After all he is clearly seen striking O'Donnel before moving on to McMenamin and striking from behind and pulling him by the neck to the ground.

I realise the rest were all Referee report but the evidence is there."
So, will this mean the other 3 Armagh players will win their appeals later on too? And Donegal who didn't appeal are the big losers?

Look it's great to see the best players play against each other so in a way it's good O'Neill is cleared to play but on the other hand how will the GAA handle future incidents like this? The GAA are literally promoting behaviour like this by allowing someone who clearly struck someone is cleared to play. I'm curious as to what Armagh's case was to allow O'Neill to win the appeal. It's quite mind boggling and there needs to be more transparency in these things. If that happened on the streets, he'd be charged with assault but it happens on the Gaelic pitch and his punishment is that he has to go through an appeals process and wins. Blow's my mind!

MurphBalls (Donegal) - Posts: 175 - 12/04/2022 10:41:53    2410628

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Replying To seanie08:  "Good to see O Neill free to play. He was the best player in Ulster championship last year. Should be a proper game now. Donegal still favourites through."
"If you wanna box say you wanna box and we'll box; if you wanna play football, say you wanna play football and we'll play football."

It's not clear what O'Neill wants to do.

themaddog (Wicklow) - Posts: 107 - 12/04/2022 11:01:32    2410630

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As far as I know the other three players have lost there appeal. If one of them got off it would definitely be a joke. We took our medicine it's time to move on.

rorysboys (Donegal) - Posts: 1721 - 12/04/2022 11:03:17    2410631

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