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Replying To Lockjaw:  "Anyone else feel that this is all just silly-buggers and premediatated on Armagh's part to engender a siege us-against-the-world mentality for the game in a few weeks? Let them at it so. I think Bonner and co are right. Get the heads down, say nothing and train hard. We'll do our talking on the pitch."
Hard to know, but I don't think that is what happened from what coverage I saw, and the type of suspensions both teams got. Armagh are without two, maybe three starters, so I doubt they'd have wanted that, just to set up a 'siege mentality'. Overall it wasn't great, but I sense Donegal were at a bit more targeting than Armagh from the coverage, especially when you look at what players got most attention.

However the incident did happen, and it sets up a great game. I don't think either team will fear it, and both will fully expect to win.

sam1884 (UK) - Posts: 957 - 01/04/2022 16:31:05    2408943

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I see a new twist announced, with Rian O'Neill now hit with a proposed ban.
https://www.donegallive.ie/news/gaa/782543/armagh-star-rian-o-neill-hit-with-proposed-ban-for-donegal-ulster-sfc-clash.html?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=facebook

SouthOfTheGap (Donegal) - Posts: 279 - 04/04/2022 18:42:33    2409638

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Seems like Rian O'Neill is getting a ban now. Only right, as his punch was clear as day. Only thing is why it took them to now to announce the ban, should have been with the others last week.

Loughduff Lad (Cavan) - Posts: 1890 - 04/04/2022 20:41:19    2409653

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Reading the Armagh forum everybody saying Donegal had planned this , utter nonsense. As I said before it started with a jostle between Mc fadden ferry and nugent and a few Armagh players and subs got involved..which started it. Complete lack of discipline.

rorysboys (Donegal) - Posts: 1721 - 05/04/2022 10:13:10    2409683

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I don't like to see players gettig banned unless it was for a very dangerous tackle that did or could cause serious injury, but if they are going to ban any player after that scuffle then Rian O'Neill for sure should get a ban for punching, the evidence is indisputable.
If he doesn't get a suspension then no one should is my point, I don't really care either way but whatever about the pushing and sledging and all the other bs that goes on if you clearly punch someone then you have sealed your own fate in fairness,
glad the CCCCCCCC have picked up on this, if they didn't the whole thing would have been a complete joke.

Tirchonaill1 (Donegal) - Posts: 2146 - 05/04/2022 11:27:27    2409713

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Replying To Tirchonaill1:  "I don't like to see players gettig banned unless it was for a very dangerous tackle that did or could cause serious injury, but if they are going to ban any player after that scuffle then Rian O'Neill for sure should get a ban for punching, the evidence is indisputable.
If he doesn't get a suspension then no one should is my point, I don't really care either way but whatever about the pushing and sledging and all the other bs that goes on if you clearly punch someone then you have sealed your own fate in fairness,
glad the CCCCCCCC have picked up on this, if they didn't the whole thing would have been a complete joke."
Yep, like if a Guard spotted O'Neill doing what he did on a Saturday night somewhere then he'd likely be lifted and punished accordingly. Laughable really the the GAA has taken until now to propose a punishment when everyone could see as clear as day what happened.

Lockjaw (Donegal) - Posts: 8049 - 05/04/2022 12:25:43    2409736

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They need to look at Jamer Hall as well, he had a few kicks at Donegal players around the Rian O'Neill incident.

Ulsterchamps72 (Donegal) - Posts: 16 - 05/04/2022 13:31:25    2409746

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Replying To rorysboys:  "Reading the Armagh forum everybody saying Donegal had planned this , utter nonsense. As I said before it started with a jostle between Mc fadden ferry and nugent and a few Armagh players and subs got involved..which started it. Complete lack of discipline."
no way it was planned. McFadden-Ferry was walking away and he got clipped in the back of the head and the Linesman seen this but walked away due to the final whistle being blown. If the linesman had of continued walking towards them there would probably have been no issue what so ever.

naomh_conaill_4 (Donegal) - Posts: 443 - 05/04/2022 13:46:54    2409751

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Replying To Ulsterchamps72:  "They need to look at Jamer Hall as well, he had a few kicks at Donegal players around the Rian O'Neill incident."
Would Donegal just be safer, asking for a walkover at this stage? How many more Armagh players do they want suspended before they feel it's a game they can win? Donegal won the championship game in Letterkenny, but calls for more and more Armagh suspensions is becoming embarassing to read. Have the run out, move on to the semi final and see if both can meet again later in the season in a fairer manner.

sam1884 (UK) - Posts: 957 - 05/04/2022 17:25:39    2409838

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Again, very disappointing to see the Donegal voices here pointing all blame for the schemozzle directly at the big bad northerners. Both teams were equally to blame for what happened and we can agree to disagree on who started it.
The game itself is effectively over now unfortunately and Armagh fans are very disappointed at the lack of discipline from those who got involved on our end. I'd imagine McGeeney and his team would feel the same and we shouldn't have been drawn into a row (and I do believe our forwards / key players were drawn in but that doesn't excuse getting involved) especially after what happened in the Tyrone game.
I would still expect the lads we draft in to give it a good go in a couple of weeks then regroup for a good charge at the back door with a full hand.

ardmhacha (Armagh) - Posts: 126 - 05/04/2022 19:12:43    2409862

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Replying To sam1884:  "Would Donegal just be safer, asking for a walkover at this stage? How many more Armagh players do they want suspended before they feel it's a game they can win? Donegal won the championship game in Letterkenny, but calls for more and more Armagh suspensions is becoming embarassing to read. Have the run out, move on to the semi final and see if both can meet again later in the season in a fairer manner."
A fairer manner - if people had kept their fists to themselves there would be no issue. Donegal posters on here didn't cause player indiscipline. Such a cop out. Look in the mirror.

Donegal_abroad (Donegal) - Posts: 1153 - 06/04/2022 09:52:58    2409891

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Replying To ardmhacha:  "Again, very disappointing to see the Donegal voices here pointing all blame for the schemozzle directly at the big bad northerners. Both teams were equally to blame for what happened and we can agree to disagree on who started it.
The game itself is effectively over now unfortunately and Armagh fans are very disappointed at the lack of discipline from those who got involved on our end. I'd imagine McGeeney and his team would feel the same and we shouldn't have been drawn into a row (and I do believe our forwards / key players were drawn in but that doesn't excuse getting involved) especially after what happened in the Tyrone game.
I would still expect the lads we draft in to give it a good go in a couple of weeks then regroup for a good charge at the back door with a full hand."
Both teams were to blame, yes but some players went further than others so it wasn't equal blame. That was clear from the footage. Thanks

I'm failing to see why Donegal posters on this forum are to blame for pointing things out which the authorities themselves have seen anyway. Either these things were wrong or they weren't wrong.

This nonsense that Donegal somehow manufactured this situation is a real joke. I'm not going to go into the incidents Armagh have been involved in under McGeeney but ultimately if you can't control yourself then it's not someone else's fault.

Donegal_abroad (Donegal) - Posts: 1153 - 06/04/2022 09:58:20    2409893

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Replying To sam1884:  "Would Donegal just be safer, asking for a walkover at this stage? How many more Armagh players do they want suspended before they feel it's a game they can win? Donegal won the championship game in Letterkenny, but calls for more and more Armagh suspensions is becoming embarassing to read. Have the run out, move on to the semi final and see if both can meet again later in the season in a fairer manner."
Eh? We're not the ones appealing bans, we've taken our medicine. Maybe a bit more self awareness and introspection needed in the Armagh ranks. They'lll be wearing "Why Always Me" t-shirts like Balotelli next. It's not the first time this year even that Armagh have been involved in a controversial melee so I'd be looking closer to home before casting aspersions at Donegal's sporting integrity.

By the way, when was the last time Armagh beat Donegal? You have improved granted but you're not Kerry yet.

Lockjaw (Donegal) - Posts: 8049 - 06/04/2022 10:05:43    2409898

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Replying To rorysboys:  "Reading the Armagh forum everybody saying Donegal had planned this , utter nonsense. As I said before it started with a jostle between Mc fadden ferry and nugent and a few Armagh players and subs got involved..which started it. Complete lack of discipline."
Yes, it's like Donegal have such a history of getting engaged in these incidents… unlike Armagh of course?!

Donegal_abroad (Donegal) - Posts: 1153 - 06/04/2022 10:06:05    2409899

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If I were an Armagh fan I'd be pointing my finger at my own manager. If you don't want players suspended before a big championships game, don't get involved in a row on the pitch. Simple. Plenty of smarter players walked away.

I'll leave this quote here

"If you wanna box, say you wanna box and we'll box. If you wanna play football, say you wanna play football and we'll play football."

Al_Maguire (Donegal) - Posts: 215 - 06/04/2022 11:17:00    2409924

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Replying To ardmhacha:  "Again, very disappointing to see the Donegal voices here pointing all blame for the schemozzle directly at the big bad northerners. Both teams were equally to blame for what happened and we can agree to disagree on who started it.
The game itself is effectively over now unfortunately and Armagh fans are very disappointed at the lack of discipline from those who got involved on our end. I'd imagine McGeeney and his team would feel the same and we shouldn't have been drawn into a row (and I do believe our forwards / key players were drawn in but that doesn't excuse getting involved) especially after what happened in the Tyrone game.
I would still expect the lads we draft in to give it a good go in a couple of weeks then regroup for a good charge at the back door with a full hand."
We are much more "NORTHERN" than you are.

gunman (Donegal) - Posts: 837 - 06/04/2022 11:19:42    2409925

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Replying To ardmhacha:  "Again, very disappointing to see the Donegal voices here pointing all blame for the schemozzle directly at the big bad northerners. Both teams were equally to blame for what happened and we can agree to disagree on who started it.
The game itself is effectively over now unfortunately and Armagh fans are very disappointed at the lack of discipline from those who got involved on our end. I'd imagine McGeeney and his team would feel the same and we shouldn't have been drawn into a row (and I do believe our forwards / key players were drawn in but that doesn't excuse getting involved) especially after what happened in the Tyrone game.
I would still expect the lads we draft in to give it a good go in a couple of weeks then regroup for a good charge at the back door with a full hand."
I don't think there was any body drawn in. You went in because you wanted to be in. Armagh got the warning with the Tyrone game but obviously didn't take it. I don't like seeing players suspended for championship matches especially after training all year for it. After the Tyrone Armagh fall out the gaa we're waiting for a chance before championship to let teams know it won't be tolerated..

rorysboys (Donegal) - Posts: 1721 - 06/04/2022 11:22:51    2409926

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Replying To sam1884:  "Would Donegal just be safer, asking for a walkover at this stage? How many more Armagh players do they want suspended before they feel it's a game they can win? Donegal won the championship game in Letterkenny, but calls for more and more Armagh suspensions is becoming embarassing to read. Have the run out, move on to the semi final and see if both can meet again later in the season in a fairer manner."
Where does the fairer manner come into it. They're only asking to much for anyone involved to be looked at. There wasn't much talk about the fairer manner for the Tyrone game against Kildare, a game that worked out to be the difference between staying up and going down. As for Armagh, after the Tyrone league game they had supporters calling for them to be split in 2. Oh how things have changed.

Saynothing (Tyrone) - Posts: 1312 - 06/04/2022 11:46:28    2409932

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Replying To Donegal_abroad:  "Yes, it's like Donegal have such a history of getting engaged in these incidents… unlike Armagh of course?!"
It's more than possible your comment is more significant and on point, than you maybe want to realise ;)

sam1884 (UK) - Posts: 957 - 06/04/2022 16:29:06    2410002

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Replying To sam1884:  "It's more than possible your comment is more significant and on point, than you maybe want to realise ;)"
Go on - expand. This will be entertaining.

Donegal_abroad (Donegal) - Posts: 1153 - 06/04/2022 16:43:52    2410007

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