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RTE are stating that Ciaran Mackin has withdrew his appeal so he is suspended.....I'm lost in this shambles at this stage.

https://www.rte.ie/sport/football/2022/0419/1293191-armagh-trio-to-face-donegal-after-suspensions-quashed/

dats_rite (Australia) - Posts: 9 - 21/04/2022 10:13:28    2412007

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Replying To dats_rite:  "RTE are stating that Ciaran Mackin has withdrew his appeal so he is suspended.....I'm lost in this shambles at this stage.

https://www.rte.ie/sport/football/2022/0419/1293191-armagh-trio-to-face-donegal-after-suspensions-quashed/"
So Armagh are blaming mackin for it all. Funny how he's injured and won't play this week.. come on Donegal please do it on Sunday. There's no room for cheats in the gaa or so i thought.

rorysboys (Donegal) - Posts: 1721 - 21/04/2022 10:18:40    2412008

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Replying To rorysboys:  "So Armagh are blaming mackin for it all. Funny how he's injured and won't play this week.. come on Donegal please do it on Sunday. There's no room for cheats in the gaa or so i thought."
This post reads like it's written by a 12 year old.

ardmhacha (Armagh) - Posts: 126 - 21/04/2022 10:50:36    2412021

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Replying To ardmhacha:  "This post reads like it's written by a 12 year old."
Is that the only response you can come back with. Even a 12 year old would know that the whole thing is corrupt.

rorysboys (Donegal) - Posts: 1721 - 21/04/2022 10:59:55    2412024

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Replying To ardmhacha:  "This post reads like it's written by a 12 year old."
Giving the scenario if it was written by a twelve year old would that twelve year old not be entitled to an opinion?
Only one poster here that looks like a twelve year old imo.
Enjoy the match and don't forget your wee Orange fleg........

letterkennyGuy (Donegal) - Posts: 134 - 21/04/2022 11:09:12    2412029

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I think we all need to step back from rights and wrongs of what Donegal or Armagh have done in terms of the appeals process. Nothing can be changed now in terms of what has occurred and all we can focus on now is the actual match and let's hope that two very good teams serve up an exhibition of football, worthy of the occasion. We are talking about 2 teams who are very capable of, and will definitely be targeting, progressing to the semi-final or final of the All-Ireland.

The actual incident that sparked all this controversy is very embarrassing for the wider GAA and more specifically Croke Park. The original suspensions and indeed the suspensions received by Tyrone in the league and the red card for Conor McKenna are not for striking, for any dangerous tackles or for any contact which could endanger players in terms of head injuries. At best you could say they were for wrestling on the ground. May not look great but certainly not a red card offence.

It appears Croke Park issued some guidance to referees in terms of melee's and thus the spate of red cards. The punishment does not appear to fit the crime, as a red card is definitely excessive. However, after issuing the said instruction, Croke Park do not appear to be backing the referees and thus we end up in a totally unsustainable situation. If an appeals process exists, that appears to be easily circumvented on technicalities, then you can't blame the likes of Armagh from utilising the said process. In hindsight Donegal must regret not appealing but probably didn't on the grounds of what happened with Tyrone's appeal.

Croke Park need to step up quickly to avoid a hugely damaging and embarrassing situation developing even further. I feel for the referees and they need some guidance and support. The appeals process needs to be more robust and any appeal outcome must be transparently communicated. The silence is deafening and that only adds fuel to the fire.

[email protected] (Fermanagh) - Posts: 1 - 21/04/2022 11:11:16    2412030

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Replying To ardmhacha:  "This post reads like it's written by a 12 year old."
You're not wrong there, this poster has form as they say, he's a wee fanboy of Bonner, declansboy I call him.
I think the mods take account of his age and let his childish posts appear on here.
What a farce this appeals process is, Mackins out injured anyway? suppose it takes the bad look of it for Armagh but I think Armagh would be better to focus on the game,
I hope to see Armagh going home well beaten, sick of this whole bloody thing at this stage. I imagine our boys are chomping at the bit to set things right on Sunday and from that viewpoint it will put the fire in the bellies that was absent during lots of games in the league.
Bull island is alive and well, this country is a joke from top to bottom. biggest money spinner this weekend for the grab all association is Ed Sheeran concert in Croker.

Tirchonaill1 (Donegal) - Posts: 2146 - 21/04/2022 11:30:29    2412035

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Replying To rorysboys:  "Is that the only response you can come back with. Even a 12 year old would know that the whole thing is corrupt."
Suppose your on your school holidays this week declansboy?

Tirchonaill1 (Donegal) - Posts: 2146 - 21/04/2022 11:50:03    2412044

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Replying To Tirchonaill1:  "Suppose your on your school holidays this week declansboy?"
I don't go away I see your thinking of not going to the game on Sunday. Wudnt surprise me. If we all had your attitude there wudnt be many there. Go back to your keypad lad, sick listening to your negativity. The team that represents us on Sunday is a county team not a Declan bonner team. Lol

rorysboys (Donegal) - Posts: 1721 - 21/04/2022 12:00:34    2412052

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Replying To Tirchonaill1:  "You're not wrong there, this poster has form as they say, he's a wee fanboy of Bonner, declansboy I call him.
I think the mods take account of his age and let his childish posts appear on here.
What a farce this appeals process is, Mackins out injured anyway? suppose it takes the bad look of it for Armagh but I think Armagh would be better to focus on the game,
I hope to see Armagh going home well beaten, sick of this whole bloody thing at this stage. I imagine our boys are chomping at the bit to set things right on Sunday and from that viewpoint it will put the fire in the bellies that was absent during lots of games in the league.
Bull island is alive and well, this country is a joke from top to bottom. biggest money spinner this weekend for the grab all association is Ed Sheeran concert in Croker."
You said it lad. Those poor folks suffering due to the MICA crisis ate having to fight tooth and nail fir crumbs to fix their houses. Yet when Covid hit there was suddenly billions available. Similarly with the Ukrainian refugee situation. All of a sudden billions are being plucked out of thin air. Now don't get me wrong, in both cases I think it was/is the right thing to do in order to help. But when there's a literal humanitarian crisis on our own door step it's death by a thousand cuts for a lot of people.

Lockjaw (Donegal) - Posts: 8049 - 21/04/2022 12:06:16    2412054

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'Thugs', 'cheats' and reference to a 'wee orange fleg' (do I sense a vague West Brit sectarian undertone?) Maybe not, but very disappointing from so called fellow gaels overall. Thankfully not representative of the large majority of Donegal GAA people.

ardmhacha (Armagh) - Posts: 126 - 21/04/2022 13:04:17    2412077

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Replying To monaghanmad:  "Blame David Gough, he has set the standard now with his farcical actions in armagh. The precedent is set, consistency is key and even Conor Mc kenna might not get off."
McKenna will surely have to be pardoned after this latest Appeals Committee decision.

Consistency has to be applied.

foreveryoung (USA) - Posts: 1326 - 21/04/2022 13:23:48    2412082

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Replying To letterkennyGuy:  "Giving the scenario if it was written by a twelve year old would that twelve year old not be entitled to an opinion?
Only one poster here that looks like a twelve year old imo.
Enjoy the match and don't forget your wee Orange fleg........"
Everyone knows what you're getting at with the fleg comment and it's pathetic quite frankly. Armagh people have been through the ringer with regards to the Troubles and you pretending to be a Donegal Gael.

I'd hope a 12 year old would have more cop on than to make a comment like yours anyway.

JoeSoap (Donegal) - Posts: 1432 - 21/04/2022 13:40:13    2412086

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Replying To Tirchonaill1:  "Suppose your on your school holidays this week declansboy?"
Grow up the pair of you. Dhia sabháil

JoeSoap (Donegal) - Posts: 1432 - 21/04/2022 13:41:06    2412088

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Replying To [email protected]:  "I think we all need to step back from rights and wrongs of what Donegal or Armagh have done in terms of the appeals process. Nothing can be changed now in terms of what has occurred and all we can focus on now is the actual match and let's hope that two very good teams serve up an exhibition of football, worthy of the occasion. We are talking about 2 teams who are very capable of, and will definitely be targeting, progressing to the semi-final or final of the All-Ireland.

The actual incident that sparked all this controversy is very embarrassing for the wider GAA and more specifically Croke Park. The original suspensions and indeed the suspensions received by Tyrone in the league and the red card for Conor McKenna are not for striking, for any dangerous tackles or for any contact which could endanger players in terms of head injuries. At best you could say they were for wrestling on the ground. May not look great but certainly not a red card offence.

It appears Croke Park issued some guidance to referees in terms of melee's and thus the spate of red cards. The punishment does not appear to fit the crime, as a red card is definitely excessive. However, after issuing the said instruction, Croke Park do not appear to be backing the referees and thus we end up in a totally unsustainable situation. If an appeals process exists, that appears to be easily circumvented on technicalities, then you can't blame the likes of Armagh from utilising the said process. In hindsight Donegal must regret not appealing but probably didn't on the grounds of what happened with Tyrone's appeal.

Croke Park need to step up quickly to avoid a hugely damaging and embarrassing situation developing even further. I feel for the referees and they need some guidance and support. The appeals process needs to be more robust and any appeal outcome must be transparently communicated. The silence is deafening and that only adds fuel to the fire."
Nice to see some level headed posting going on. As rare as an upheld suspension.

JoeSoap (Donegal) - Posts: 1432 - 21/04/2022 13:41:49    2412089

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Replying To JoeSoap:  "Grow up the pair of you. Dhia sabháil"
Now your told tirconnel. Glad it wasn't me that said it.

rorysboys (Donegal) - Posts: 1721 - 21/04/2022 14:29:16    2412097

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Replying To ardmhacha:  "'Thugs', 'cheats' and reference to a 'wee orange fleg' (do I sense a vague West Brit sectarian undertone?) Maybe not, but very disappointing from so called fellow gaels overall. Thankfully not representative of the large majority of Donegal GAA people."
Definitely not representative of majority of Donegal people I assure you. Ulster Gaels, one and all.

Donegal_abroad (Donegal) - Posts: 1153 - 21/04/2022 14:47:55    2412103

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Didn't see the 'melee' as you call it. Don't know the ins and outs of the appeal process. But delighted that we'll get to see Rian O'Neill play; a powerful player when in full flight!

foreveryoung (USA) - Posts: 1326 - 21/04/2022 15:54:37    2412121

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The farce continues, the CAC today wagging the finger at referees, telling them to sharpen up their reporting skills. Refs hung out to dry again. You just couldn't make this up.

Who would be a ref when you have to now have a legally fool proof match report as well. Some of these committees overseen by the legal profession. GAA now heading the same route as our Judical & Legal system nationally.

GAA Disciplinary system once labelled as the alphabet soup with CCCC, CHC, CAC & DRA, it's become a joke. So many committees & so many people on them & they produce a mess like this. May as well give an amnesty to all at this stage as there is no consistency & surely leaves the door open to all to successfully appeal as precedents have now been set.

Donegal & Armagh game has been completely overshadowed by the incompetence of GAA administrators, instead of talking about the game it's all about the legal

moc.dna (Galway) - Posts: 1212 - 21/04/2022 16:30:53    2412131

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Replying To JoeSoap:  "Everyone knows what you're getting at with the fleg comment and it's pathetic quite frankly. Armagh people have been through the ringer with regards to the Troubles and you pretending to be a Donegal Gael.

I'd hope a 12 year old would have more cop on than to make a comment like yours anyway."
Well done jumping to assumptions as I assure you that was not the intention. That goes for a few donegal posters also

Enjoy the game

letterkennyGuy (Donegal) - Posts: 134 - 21/04/2022 16:37:24    2412133

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