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The Donegal/Armagh Row

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Had a good view of the incident from the stand on Sunday. Armagh were the perpetrators in the row. An Armagh player boxed McFadden Ferry just before the final whistle. Another Armagh player then ran 50 yards to go at him also after the final whistle. A gang of Armagh subs then jumped the fence and were at him also. I would say this was planned by Armagh given the player in question and also by the reaction of the Armagh subs to jump the fence and get involved.

ryan (Donegal) - Posts: 533 - 29/03/2022 13:57:13    2408088

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Replying To ryan:  "Had a good view of the incident from the stand on Sunday. Armagh were the perpetrators in the row. An Armagh player boxed McFadden Ferry just before the final whistle. Another Armagh player then ran 50 yards to go at him also after the final whistle. A gang of Armagh subs then jumped the fence and were at him also. I would say this was planned by Armagh given the player in question and also by the reaction of the Armagh subs to jump the fence and get involved."
Donegal will put them back in their place in a few weeks so not to worry. All that early training they done to be ahead of the rest will catch up on them sooner rather than later.

sourmilk93 (Roscommon) - Posts: 999 - 29/03/2022 14:22:48    2408101

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The GAA needs to impose collective punishment, not just individual sanctions.

What if your authority in Croke Park passed regulations that would sanction the whole team (and management) for puppery like this? For example, kick both counties out of this year's championship, or drop them down a division in the league (and push up two more well-behaved counties).

Obviously, that cannot be done in this case, but it is something that your GAA needs to consider.

People only learn when the price of the sin isn't worth paying it.

foreveryoung (USA) - Posts: 1326 - 29/03/2022 14:24:54    2408104

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What difference will his opinion make?

GreenandRed (Mayo) - Posts: 6802 - 29/03/2022 14:41:30    2408117

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Replying To foreveryoung:  "The GAA needs to impose collective punishment, not just individual sanctions.

What if your authority in Croke Park passed regulations that would sanction the whole team (and management) for puppery like this? For example, kick both counties out of this year's championship, or drop them down a division in the league (and push up two more well-behaved counties).

Obviously, that cannot be done in this case, but it is something that your GAA needs to consider.

People only learn when the price of the sin isn't worth paying it."
Before Donegal get tarnished with this collective punishment, remember this is at least the 2nd such brawl recently that this Armagh team have been involved in, they got off light last time in comparison to Tyrone.

You can't punish players for defending a team mate, there were Donegal players who tried to settle things down, I would suggest the GAA focus on those who stepped too far over the line and deal with them only.

Commodore (Donegal) - Posts: 872 - 29/03/2022 16:56:51    2408194

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Replying To ryan:  "Had a good view of the incident from the stand on Sunday. Armagh were the perpetrators in the row. An Armagh player boxed McFadden Ferry just before the final whistle. Another Armagh player then ran 50 yards to go at him also after the final whistle. A gang of Armagh subs then jumped the fence and were at him also. I would say this was planned by Armagh given the player in question and also by the reaction of the Armagh subs to jump the fence and get involved."
Would agree with the assumption of it being premeditated, we were on the opp side of the stand for the game and there was no hostilities during the match when the game was blown up MM was just in front of us and his nearest marker was grugan, Michael put out his hand to shake grugans hand after and grugan made an attempt to toss Michael to the ground Michael shrugged him off but grugan came back twice at him Michael just brushed him off and headed for the tunnel when we looked up there was 3 other incidents going off in 3 different areas we just couldn't believe it as there was nothing during the match.

Tyrion (Donegal) - Posts: 116 - 29/03/2022 17:58:06    2408206

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Replying To bad.monkey:  "The GAA need to come down hard on subs and backroom teams running on to the pitch to get involved. Even if well intentioned it always escalates the row."
I agree, there appeared a lot of Donegal bibs involved, yet mostly Armagh starting players. As a Donegal poster said in a post, it would be a good trade off in terms of suspensions with some of what happened, that is an interesting take on things.

Maybe it's a coincidence they play a championship game in a few weeks. Either way the GAA will look at it, but for the wider championship and the epic game it will be between the two hopefully a warning will be dished out to both county boards, and the rest of us see the teams go toe to toe in a couple of weeks. It has potential to be match of the year.

sam1884 (UK) - Posts: 957 - 29/03/2022 21:20:12    2408239

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It is just unbelievable reading these comments - open season on Armagh and a number of their players over a bit of a skirmish that happens (sadly and wrongly) all over the country. Donegal people are blaming Armagh, Armagh people are blaming Donegal etc etc. I'm sure there'll be a couple of suspensions either way and rightly so as this behaviour in general needs stamped out - but every team is at it!
To slate one team is just unbelievable - both were equally to blame for this incident.. eg.. a young, very talented Armagh forward randomly attacks a Donegal defender at the final whistle for no reason.. I don't think so. The lad just fell into the trap and will probably be suspended. Let's not talk about the battering he took from a high profile, veteran defender from Donegal who then left the pitch to a standing ovation!!
Look, there's no difference to Armagh, Donegal , Kerry, Dublin, Mayo etc etc! All capable of great football and all capable of the handbags.
Unfair to totally slate one team for it - a team that has been praised for their open attacking football over the last few years.
For the record, I felt Tyrone were unfairly treated and slated in the league match against us which was 50/50 in my opinion.

ardmhacha (Armagh) - Posts: 126 - 29/03/2022 21:23:30    2408240

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Replying To ardmhacha:  "It is just unbelievable reading these comments - open season on Armagh and a number of their players over a bit of a skirmish that happens (sadly and wrongly) all over the country. Donegal people are blaming Armagh, Armagh people are blaming Donegal etc etc. I'm sure there'll be a couple of suspensions either way and rightly so as this behaviour in general needs stamped out - but every team is at it!
To slate one team is just unbelievable - both were equally to blame for this incident.. eg.. a young, very talented Armagh forward randomly attacks a Donegal defender at the final whistle for no reason.. I don't think so. The lad just fell into the trap and will probably be suspended. Let's not talk about the battering he took from a high profile, veteran defender from Donegal who then left the pitch to a standing ovation!!
Look, there's no difference to Armagh, Donegal , Kerry, Dublin, Mayo etc etc! All capable of great football and all capable of the handbags.
Unfair to totally slate one team for it - a team that has been praised for their open attacking football over the last few years.
For the record, I felt Tyrone were unfairly treated and slated in the league match against us which was 50/50 in my opinion."
Why was the "high profile, veteran defender" on the field in the first place? Because his young up and coming replacement, having a very good game, had to go off to get treatment for a blood injury, and to get a new jersey as the one was wearing was ripped off him by two innocent bystanders, who just happened to be wearing Armagh jerseys.

I couldn't see what happened on the Stand side at he end, but I did witness the Grugan attempt to get Murphy involved in a row on the terrace side at the final whistle. Murphy held up his hand to fist pump, and was met with a strike to the chest, and then to wrestle him. Thankfully he didn't have the ability to knock him. He'll have to get further training. A smaller job would suit him.

SouthOfTheGap (Donegal) - Posts: 279 - 30/03/2022 10:05:35    2408267

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Replying To ardmhacha:  "It is just unbelievable reading these comments - open season on Armagh and a number of their players over a bit of a skirmish that happens (sadly and wrongly) all over the country. Donegal people are blaming Armagh, Armagh people are blaming Donegal etc etc. I'm sure there'll be a couple of suspensions either way and rightly so as this behaviour in general needs stamped out - but every team is at it!
To slate one team is just unbelievable - both were equally to blame for this incident.. eg.. a young, very talented Armagh forward randomly attacks a Donegal defender at the final whistle for no reason.. I don't think so. The lad just fell into the trap and will probably be suspended. Let's not talk about the battering he took from a high profile, veteran defender from Donegal who then left the pitch to a standing ovation!!
Look, there's no difference to Armagh, Donegal , Kerry, Dublin, Mayo etc etc! All capable of great football and all capable of the handbags.
Unfair to totally slate one team for it - a team that has been praised for their open attacking football over the last few years.
For the record, I felt Tyrone were unfairly treated and slated in the league match against us which was 50/50 in my opinion."
Take what you will from it but I'm trying to be as unbiased as possible here - Most of us can only go by what we seen in the video footage. Other fans were at the game and seem to have some more to the story but personally from what I saw from the video footage does not look good from an Armagh point of view. I agree with you that it takes two to tango but I don't think you can argue that it looks worse for Armagh than it does Donegal. Again, I wasn't at the game so I can only speak for what I saw on the video.

Armagh is being slated because this is the second time in a matter of weeks that they've had a "scuffle" of this magnitude and I know I keep reiterating but if they are judging the suspensions off of CCCC video footage then Armagh should come off a hell of a lot worse than Donegal. What happens during the game is all gamesmanship but what happens after the game is nonsense and sometimes thuggery.

MurphBalls (Donegal) - Posts: 175 - 30/03/2022 10:11:53    2408270

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Replying To ardmhacha:  "It is just unbelievable reading these comments - open season on Armagh and a number of their players over a bit of a skirmish that happens (sadly and wrongly) all over the country. Donegal people are blaming Armagh, Armagh people are blaming Donegal etc etc. I'm sure there'll be a couple of suspensions either way and rightly so as this behaviour in general needs stamped out - but every team is at it!
To slate one team is just unbelievable - both were equally to blame for this incident.. eg.. a young, very talented Armagh forward randomly attacks a Donegal defender at the final whistle for no reason.. I don't think so. The lad just fell into the trap and will probably be suspended. Let's not talk about the battering he took from a high profile, veteran defender from Donegal who then left the pitch to a standing ovation!!
Look, there's no difference to Armagh, Donegal , Kerry, Dublin, Mayo etc etc! All capable of great football and all capable of the handbags.
Unfair to totally slate one team for it - a team that has been praised for their open attacking football over the last few years.
For the record, I felt Tyrone were unfairly treated and slated in the league match against us which was 50/50 in my opinion."
You'd be experts at 'stamping things out' about Armagh alright, this behaviour is typical of a McGeeeny Armagh team,

Tirchonaill1 (Donegal) - Posts: 2146 - 30/03/2022 11:01:22    2408290

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Replying To SouthOfTheGap:  "Why was the "high profile, veteran defender" on the field in the first place? Because his young up and coming replacement, having a very good game, had to go off to get treatment for a blood injury, and to get a new jersey as the one was wearing was ripped off him by two innocent bystanders, who just happened to be wearing Armagh jerseys.

I couldn't see what happened on the Stand side at he end, but I did witness the Grugan attempt to get Murphy involved in a row on the terrace side at the final whistle. Murphy held up his hand to fist pump, and was met with a strike to the chest, and then to wrestle him. Thankfully he didn't have the ability to knock him. He'll have to get further training. A smaller job would suit him."
Yea Mc Cole had to come off with a busted nose and a ripped jersey.. suppose that was accidental too. From being at the game on the stand side, what happened was Mc fadden ferry and nugent were pushing and giving verbals when one of the Armagh players came in and hit the Donegal lad. This started it all off.. neill Mc gee always gets a standing ovation when he goes on or comes off. He's a legend in Donegal and always will be. Must say Rian o neill didn't cover himself in much glory.

rorysboys (Donegal) - Posts: 1721 - 30/03/2022 12:00:29    2408310

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Replying To ardmhacha:  "It is just unbelievable reading these comments - open season on Armagh and a number of their players over a bit of a skirmish that happens (sadly and wrongly) all over the country. Donegal people are blaming Armagh, Armagh people are blaming Donegal etc etc. I'm sure there'll be a couple of suspensions either way and rightly so as this behaviour in general needs stamped out - but every team is at it!
To slate one team is just unbelievable - both were equally to blame for this incident.. eg.. a young, very talented Armagh forward randomly attacks a Donegal defender at the final whistle for no reason.. I don't think so. The lad just fell into the trap and will probably be suspended. Let's not talk about the battering he took from a high profile, veteran defender from Donegal who then left the pitch to a standing ovation!!
Look, there's no difference to Armagh, Donegal , Kerry, Dublin, Mayo etc etc! All capable of great football and all capable of the handbags.
Unfair to totally slate one team for it - a team that has been praised for their open attacking football over the last few years.
For the record, I felt Tyrone were unfairly treated and slated in the league match against us which was 50/50 in my opinion."
Hard to disagree with your post, it does seem one county is being blamed for all the wrongs in the GAA. I think one county is going to lose important starters, and the other county squad players for the championship game, that might not be lost on people when making their minds up, of what happened and the reasons it started etc.

sam1884 (UK) - Posts: 957 - 30/03/2022 12:02:07    2408312

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Replying To sam1884:  "Hard to disagree with your post, it does seem one county is being blamed for all the wrongs in the GAA. I think one county is going to lose important starters, and the other county squad players for the championship game, that might not be lost on people when making their minds up, of what happened and the reasons it started etc."
Are you actually insinuating that Armagh are getting blamed for "all the wrongs in the GAA"?

JoeSoap (Donegal) - Posts: 1432 - 30/03/2022 13:19:04    2408343

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I didn't see Grugan's poor impression of Justy McMahon but glad Michael dealt with it as well as he seems to. Bit long in the tooth for that craic now surely

JoeSoap (Donegal) - Posts: 1432 - 30/03/2022 13:22:48    2408346

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Just released by Cahair O'Kane, Irish News

FIVE players are set to miss the Ulster Championship meeting between Donegal and Armagh after being hit with proposed one-match bans from the post-match dust-up on Sunday.

The Irish News understands that Armagh trio Ciaran Mackin, Aidan Nugent and Stefan Campbell have all been hit with proposed bans along with Donegal duo Odhran McFadden-Ferry and Neil McGee.

The five are understood to have been cited in the referee's report for contributing to a melee.

Although there didn't appear to be any punches thrown in the dust-up which happened just after the final whistle, referee Paddy Neilan and his officials have come down hard on the two teams.

The bans are all off the back of the referee's report, rather than any potential CCCC investigation into the incident.

The heavy punishments could have a massive bearing on the counties' Ballybofey meeting on April 24, particularly for Armagh.

The hugely impressive Mackin and Nugent have both been regular starters throughout the league, while Campbell has been a consistent feature off the bench.

Neil McGee's short cameo as a blood sub for Brendan McCole during the game was his first appearance since suffering a bad back injury in the opening minutes of their Ulster SFC defeat by Tyrone last summer.

It appeared unlikely that he would start the championship tie in four weeks' time, although Declan Bonner would no doubt have liked to have had his county's most-capped player available for defensive back-up at least.

SouthOfTheGap (Donegal) - Posts: 279 - 30/03/2022 13:30:59    2408352

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Just seen on twitter from one of the journalists that five players will be receiving a one match ban. Mc fadden ferry. Neil Mc gee. Soupy Campbell nugent and one of the mackins . The only player who threw a punch seems to have got off.. must have put all the names in a hat.. it's just twitter news but from a top gaa journalist from Derry. Hope the counties involved got notified before him

rorysboys (Donegal) - Posts: 1721 - 30/03/2022 13:35:29    2408356

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The next time i rob a bank i must get a lend of the diaguises Rian O'Neill and Jamar Hall were wearing on Sunday.

peiledoir20 (Donegal) - Posts: 337 - 30/03/2022 14:04:37    2408368

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Replying To rorysboys:  "Just seen on twitter from one of the journalists that five players will be receiving a one match ban. Mc fadden ferry. Neil Mc gee. Soupy Campbell nugent and one of the mackins . The only player who threw a punch seems to have got off.. must have put all the names in a hat.. it's just twitter news but from a top gaa journalist from Derry. Hope the counties involved got notified before him"
Along the lines of what i had heard from the refs camp of Two/Three from each panel

sourmilk93 (Roscommon) - Posts: 999 - 30/03/2022 14:33:37    2408380

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Replying To rorysboys:  "Just seen on twitter from one of the journalists that five players will be receiving a one match ban. Mc fadden ferry. Neil Mc gee. Soupy Campbell nugent and one of the mackins . The only player who threw a punch seems to have got off.. must have put all the names in a hat.. it's just twitter news but from a top gaa journalist from Derry. Hope the counties involved got notified before him"
2 players threw punches - Rian O'Neill and Jemar Hall. On your man's tweet, there is a poster saying that Michael Murphy threw a punch that can clearly be seen. Is Michael Murphy even seen in the footage? The 5 proposed bans is surely only bans from the referees report. Surely they'll have a look at the footage too won't they? If not, then the CCCC needs to be disassembled and binned.

MurphBalls (Donegal) - Posts: 175 - 30/03/2022 14:39:12    2408384

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