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Players should get covered but there must be a limit to the number of sessions per week covered. The GAA is one of the biggest organisations in the country it needs decent management, especially when you look at other sporting organisations in this country who have ended up in financial and criminal trouble over the past few years. Also the GAA is paying a very limited number of "suits", no county chair persons are being paid. devrandom (Galway) - Posts: 75 - 16/03/2022 14:27:00 2405730 Link 2 |
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I think it would police itself. Pay the players for 4 sessions a week ( or whatever number is eventually decided) and let that be it. If they want to train in extra sessions let them train but no expenses to be paid for any sessions over the agreed number.
seventyniner (Galway) - Posts: 41 - 16/03/2022 14:45:14 2405732 Link 0 |
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I assume you are being sarcastic when you say that you "admire" my naivete. I dont think you really mean that you admire ( definition "regard with respect or warm approval" it . l I didnt say would , I said should. And the only way it would is if it was made very clear , with very harsh sanctions and a level of policing. It would be naive to think that this would happen without the structures in place. But it would be very easy to implement and enforce. anotheralias (Galway) - Posts: 842 - 16/03/2022 14:56:04 2405735 Link 0 |
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There's merit to that but I'm a bit uncomfortable how it looks like the GAA have gone about it, there was the expenses agreement pre covid, this was understandably rowed back for 2020-21 as nobody was coming in the turnstiles for a long period and gate receipts/income were down, unless Tom Parsons is lying the agreement was to go back to the 2019 scenario once a somewhat normal environment returns but it looks like this hasn't happened.
bostonredsox (Wexford) - Posts: 4368 - 16/03/2022 15:01:53 2405738 Link 0 |
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Big companies usually reward their workers fairly well though. Without intercounty players the GAA is going nowhere. Top brass is well able to have a confused look and turn a blind eye when the question about payments to coaches, club and county, is asked. They're happy to let Ticketmaster handle ticket sales for League matches with a questionable service. In these days of poor weather could they not make crowd control easier and bring in more revenue by charging supporters €20 for stand tickets instead of first come first served basis/hassle? What sort of arrangement have they with Ticketmaster? 100% agree with you about local clubs and volunteers but for me a lot of GAA top brass are out of touch with with many GAA members. Clubs know how to use their initiative to raise funds, plan games, get pitches playable, arrange transport for players, organise WhatsApp groups to talk to each other, players, parents. But it's the intercounty players who bring in the revenue that pays the wages for the top brass. Without them there's no money to buy suits for the top brass. There's not many companies, unless they're charitable, where the main revenue maker's blood sweat and tears makes good money for directors and the revenue makers get close to nothing. GreenandRed (Mayo) - Posts: 7360 - 16/03/2022 15:18:05 2405743 Link 3 |
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Just listening to the Football Pod on Off the ball now too, Tommy Rooney was saying the plan is also to cover expenses of a maximum of 32 players, I'd imagine every county is carrying panels larger than that, another implication of that would be the development of young players could be curtailed as managers might go with the tried and trusted players rather than giving young lads a chance, I know there's been about 40 in training with the Wexford hurlers including 9 u20s. bostonredsox (Wexford) - Posts: 4368 - 16/03/2022 16:09:03 2405752 Link 0 |
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Ya I guess some thing never change. Once you get on that gravy kick as hard as you can to kick anyone else off so you don't have to share. In this case there would be no gravy train without the people being kicked off. I am sure the people on there are having a great old laugh alright.
Canuck (Waterford) - Posts: 2665 - 16/03/2022 17:43:59 2405775 Link 1 |
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Disagree "that the GAA are paying a limited number of suits". The term suits is a derogatory term really, the GAA in Croke Park has a large number of full time employees as does each Provincial Council. So take any Provincial Council, they have a full time CEO & admin staff. They have a large number of full time Coaching administrators also. Galway also has a lot of full time & part time staff, from Admin in Pearse Stadium, Coaching Officers, Finance, maintenance, some are paid direct from Central funds, some from County funds, some from Uadaras. Look up the GPA's financial report & the GAA's & you might be surprised at the millions spent on salaries. When people are on large salaries, it has to be paid for & hence the drive for Super 8's & removing the weaker teams to the Tailteann Cup, they want more TV Rights money & the top teams playing, that's where the big money is. The argument is, are all these people on the big salaries making decisions in the best interests of all within the Association or is it just for the Elite players & themselves. The GAA made one massive error with the GPA, giving them a percentage of all commercial GAA revenue. The only way that figure is going is upwards. With the new C'ship format there will be 65% more games, meaning more TV money & the Inter County players & the GPA want a bigger slice & will do so year on year. A lot of the players have agents now also & are very aware that they have image rights, that the GAA use to advertise their games. How long before players or the GPA play that card, not long imo. The advent of Semi Pro / Pro is already here, large backroom teams all getting paid, players now getting paid, albeit a low sum as of now & the elephant in the room, the managers who are been paid, many under the table. I acknowledge the few genuine managers & I emphasise few, that are doing it for basic expenses but some of these guys are doing it full time, pulling large sums of money that is generally undeclared. The players & GPA are not going to hang back staying quiet while everybody else is on the make big time. The GPA are in the driving seat now, because if the players pull the plug then the GAA, LGFA & Camogie will all lose Revenue if games don't go ahead. moc.dna (Galway) - Posts: 1212 - 19/03/2022 10:58:14 2405795 Link 0 |
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If the players pull the plug there are thousands of lads and ladies to take their places. Inter county players are involved of their own free will, no compulsion on them to play, get well looked after, Parsons and co are deluded if they think Association is remotely behind them. Claretandblue (Westmeath) - Posts: 1502 - 19/03/2022 11:47:09 2405803 Link 2 |
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Might be a few but no one will pay to watch them.
Seanfanbocht (Roscommon) - Posts: 1438 - 19/03/2022 14:04:34 2405826 Link 2 |
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Yea, some managers organise development panels within the senior panel. If the plan is to limit the number of players per panel to 32 in relation to the payment of expenses then the scope for development panels will narrow. This issue of payment of expenses, player welfare and bad practise is ignoring the main issue which is the burden that is placed on our elite young players between the ages of sixteen and twenty. At the age of sixteen our elite young players are barely out of childhood yet they are eligible for club and county minor teams plus their school teams. It gets worse when they progress from the u17 grade. They could then be participating at u20 and senior level for their club, u20 and/or senior level for their county and freshers through to senior level for their third level institution. Third level institutions play a full league and championship season between October and February. Two high intensity games at different venues within 48 hours of each other happens in third level competitions. Look at this year's Trench Cup and Fitzgibbon Cup competitions. Yet Tom Ryan focuses on the number of training sessions at senior inter county level and talks about "bad practise." There is very little real concern for the well-being of our young players. Given the fact that Larry McCarthy and Tom Ryan also publicly advocated for that abomination that was the proposed new championship structure before Christmas you would despair about the quality of leadership and decision making at the highest level in the administration of the GAA.
Greengrass (Louth) - Posts: 6031 - 19/03/2022 17:37:18 2405846 Link 1 |
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Why are some many again the club player who plays for his county because that is who they are. Having achieved excellence at the sport. It is the pride of every club to have their player reach this level. They and their families are contributed to the GAA but the expectation is that they provide the level of entertainment at cost to them. Lets get real. There are elite amateur (so called) athletes in other sports who are totally funded by your tax money. GAA inter county players are elite performers at their sport. The same people would be on here complaining if they perceived their team was not winning because they trained only twice a week or the best players did not play. There was a mental break down during the pandemic. It is stated it is an honour to play for your county. It is but at expense to the players is actually a joke that no one outside the sport would believe. The only conclusion I can come to is jealousy towards these players who not alone should be getting expenses but getting paid. Everyone one else around them are. Some one quoted how a business works. I don't know any business where the people who make the product just get travelling expenses to show up and no pay. Canuck (Waterford) - Posts: 2665 - 19/03/2022 17:42:16 2405848 Link 1 |
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How did that go for Cork ? No body forces Ed Sheerin to sing. Should he do it for nothing ? The same people would be on here complaining if the top players decided to exercise their "own free will not to play." If you have no skin in the game (inter county) it is easy to tell others you should step up your input at your own expense. Now mind you I don't have the talent to do what you are doing but lets ignore that. We complain about refs. I worked with a junior soccer ref who made more money as a ref than in his job.
Canuck (Waterford) - Posts: 2665 - 19/03/2022 17:53:56 2405851 Link 1 |
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I for one think if croke park willing to pay travel expenses for players for 4 training sessions a week that is plenty training more than 4 days a week makes no sense for lots reasons we constantly hear about player burnout surely training anymore than 4 days a week is only adding to that , Kickitout (Galway) - Posts: 846 - 19/03/2022 18:30:15 2405854 Link 2 |
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Ed Sheeran is a professional artist. Ridiculous comparison. Inter county players have deluded notions of being elite athletes. Claretandblue (Westmeath) - Posts: 1502 - 19/03/2022 18:56:53 2405857 Link 0 |
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Well said Canuck.
Greengrass (Louth) - Posts: 6031 - 19/03/2022 19:33:03 2405861 Link 0 |
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They're only sowing the seed for incoming professionalism. A GAA I will never watch. FrankieJoe (Wicklow) - Posts: 71 - 19/03/2022 20:43:46 2405869 Link 0 |
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Both entertain the public. Ridiculous just to you. I doubt if Sheeran gets as many bumps, bruises and life long injuries and performs to many bigger audiences. What can you say if your attitude is the Irish mentality while it does not take long for people around the world to recognize that these are elite athletes. Though your are only a sample size of one.
Canuck (Waterford) - Posts: 2665 - 19/03/2022 21:20:12 2405874 Link 0 |
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I would agree with you Frankie Joe & many people have switched off & gone doing something else. Who wants to be going around selling lotto tickets every weekend & the mercenary manager who comes in heading off with most of the hard earned cash. The seed was sown when the GPA was given a percentage of all commercial GAA revenue, which like everything in Ireland, is only going to increase year on year. Semi professionalism is already here & at the GAA are now trying to rein in the GPA but its too late. Whether people say they wont watch games or other club players can replace the inter county players is only nonsense really, the Inter County scene is totally reliant on the players & if the GPA decide that there will be strikes, the GAA will have to capitulate as they cannot afford to lose the TV revenue contracts if games don't go ahead. Most people are now armchair fans who only want to see the matches on TV & are not concerned about whose getting paid or not. moc.dna (Galway) - Posts: 1212 - 20/03/2022 13:49:39 2405913 Link 0 |
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Another keyboard warrior. There tens of thousands of people out watching our elite athletes yesterday enjoying their exploits.
Greengrass (Louth) - Posts: 6031 - 21/03/2022 14:23:07 2406212 Link 0 |