(Oldest Posts First) - Go To The Latest Post
Was in Ennis yesterday for match v Derry and can only wonder at how coaches & managers have turned Gaelic Football into such a mess at one stage there was a mass of bodies probably 24 or 25 banked between the two 50 Yard marks all clooney (Clare) - Posts: 891 - 28/02/2022 13:00:02 2402950 Link 0 |
A lot unhappy with this but I think some of the criticism is unfair. Whammo86 (Antrim) - Posts: 4240 - 28/02/2022 13:58:31 2402981 Link 3 |
Yeah, it ticks a lot of boxes. They have a lot of people to keep happy and on board. There is a strong obligation from the format that the provincial championships are seeded based on league form. It's a wrinkle that will have to be ironed out. The preliminary quarter-final seems unnecessary but sure look let's see how it goes in practice. 1st place has the advantage of direct access to the quarter-finals. 2nd place secures home advantage for the preliminary quarter-final. They've tried to offer an incentive as best they can. legendzxix (Kerry) - Posts: 7871 - 28/02/2022 18:44:35 2403098 Link 0 |
They should go down the Kerry route. The Kerry championship is unique and it works. skirge7 (UK) - Posts: 251 - 04/03/2022 07:52:03 2403726 Link 0 |
Let's give the split of 16 a chance. It's seems a fair split to start with. The Super 8s was seen as too exclusive. The Tommy Murphy Cup of 8 teams was seen as exclusionary for the teams involved!
legendzxix (Kerry) - Posts: 7871 - 04/03/2022 13:08:19 2403791 Link 0 |
They should have swapped the league with the provincials in the calendar. Playing all the good close matches by the end of March is still a terrible idea however you dress it up. Also, the top 4-6 counties are a long way ahead of teams 10-16. Kerry will destroy Cork or Clare in Munster - playing them again in a round robin won't make change that. It will eventually have to be swap the league and provincials or go for 3 groups (10,10,12) tirawleybaron (Mayo) - Posts: 1126 - 05/03/2022 14:13:07 2403882 Link 0 |
I think they've taken the right approach in keeping the calendar as they have. The provincial winners are to be top seeds and it is better that top seeding is on offer immediately prior to the group stage. Provincial winners are to play their first match at home. Clare are going well in Division 2. Cork in a derby match are dangerous. On current form, it'll be an interesting challenge for either if they had to beat Kerry to make the All-Ireland series. There's going to an interesting dynamic of some Division 1 teams already having an eye on the All-Ireland series and a lower league seeded team turning them over due to their hunger to qualify for the All-Ireland series. It'll be interesting to see how that plays out for real. Don't knock it until they have trialled it! legendzxix (Kerry) - Posts: 7871 - 06/03/2022 10:21:09 2404032 Link 0 |
If I have one problem with the system it's that after the league many teams don't know if they've done enough to qualify and it's then somewhat out of their hands to do more. Like say you've Down or Monaghan have a good division 2 but still finish 4 or 5th. Win a tricky Ulster championship fixture but lose a tough semifinal against a Tyrone. They've probably had a campaign more deserving of a Sam Maguire place than a team coming through the weaker half of a Munster championship draw and a worse NFL campaign. Whammo86 (Antrim) - Posts: 4240 - 06/03/2022 15:21:53 2404066 Link 2 |
Did i hear they were going to play the T Cup final before a hurling semi final? Could be wrong but what's the point in that? I would class myself as a GAA die hard. I would watch the T Cup final on TV. However i know about plenty would wouldn't. I think you can market it as much as you want but its a B competition, if you aren't from the finalists county not many will have an interest. The earlier rounds of the T Cup will have very little interest IMO. I'm not been negative but not many will have an interest in 2 Div 4 teams playing each other. The_Fridge (Tyrone) - Posts: 2088 - 07/03/2022 14:00:52 2404275 Link 1 |
Because they don't care about it. Won't be able to do it next year but TC will just get ignored as well. They put Joe McDonagh final on TV but still spend most of their time talking about the Liam McCarthy. I think the jury is out on a second tier. Tackling the funding and runaway intercounty train should have come first. We already have a tiered league and it hasn't brought counties on. Funding and solid development plans will. Best period for football was the noughties but then GAA overcompensated for Dublin's decline (if you can call it that) and allowed other top counties to get too far ahead in terms of resources. It has turned into the soccer. Rolo2010 (Donegal) - Posts: 739 - 07/03/2022 14:15:47 2404283 Link 0 |
With the strength of Ulster, one would expect Ulster counties to be taking a big share of the 8 league places on offer. With the provincial finalists qualifying for the Top 16, I presume the Tailteann Cup will be starting soon after the provincial semi-finals. Ironically Ulster counties have had the bigger hunger to retain the provincial championships though it is more difficult for them to qualify for a provincial final. legendzxix (Kerry) - Posts: 7871 - 07/03/2022 18:58:45 2404354 Link 0 |
To be fair I think it's fine that the Tailteann cup won't have lots of interest. Players from weaker counties are used to that 30 seconds of a report of their games. It's an opportunity to give them more competitive games at the business end of the season and with something real to play for. I'd be pretty happy to go watch Antrim through a Tailteann cup campaign where I actually don't go to league games. Whammo86 (Antrim) - Posts: 4240 - 08/03/2022 09:57:55 2404390 Link 0 |
Yeah look, that's a fair point. You can't have your cake and eat it. I do think those sort of problems will lead to tweaks over time though and maybe this system is the stepping stone to something more robust. Whammo86 (Antrim) - Posts: 4240 - 08/03/2022 09:59:57 2404391 Link 0 |
It's always the same, folk from counties that will never be near the Teacup telling those of us from Teacup counties how good it is for us, sure you can qualify via the provincials they tell us. This patting on the head needs to stop and a meaningful change in the competition needs to be brought in. The qualifiers used to be very fair in that regard, but of course there could be a Teacup county managing to creep into the super 8s so the head boyos didn't want that happening either, bad for the tv deals. Leitrim_12 (USA) - Posts: 207 - 08/03/2022 11:09:16 2404409 Link 0 |
As someone from a "teacup" county as you'd put it, I do think that the change has been driven by the players and they want more games to be able to retain players more easily and steadily improve over time. This format can be an opportunity for an ambitious but currently weaker county to play 6 championship games with the prize of a guaranteed 3 tier 1 championship games the following season. My thoughts on second tiers is that they are never all that meaningful or exciting in their own right but they become meaningful as you can qualify for the higher grade through them. The higher grade competition is the priority and I think it's a significant improvement on what we had. Whammo86 (Antrim) - Posts: 4240 - 08/03/2022 12:53:51 2404442 Link 0 |
When you see the success of junior/intermediate club all Ireland competition it makes you wonder why the same can't happen at I/C level. Mayonman (Galway) - Posts: 1835 - 08/03/2022 13:23:30 2404454 Link 0 |
They already get 7 competitive games in the League. I think we'll see a lot of players go off to America rather than stick around for a second rate competition with little coverage.
Rolo2010 (Donegal) - Posts: 739 - 08/03/2022 13:25:11 2404455 Link 0 |
The qualifiers were good when we had the Div 1A/1B league format and when intercounty spending wasn't out of control. Now the GAA are bringing in a doomed Tier 2 competition rather than tackling the actual issues.
Rolo2010 (Donegal) - Posts: 739 - 08/03/2022 13:27:55 2404456 Link 0 |
Tiered competitions haven't brought on meaningful competition at the top level in hurling though. We've been here before with football with the b all ireland and the tm cup but they both faded away.
Leitrim_12 (USA) - Posts: 207 - 08/03/2022 13:35:19 2404457 Link 1 |
I think the oul Munster, Leinster and All Ireland SHCs are pretty meaningful!
Seanfanbocht (Roscommon) - Posts: 1438 - 08/03/2022 14:33:45 2404465 Link 0 |