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"All-Ireland" Junior Football Championship?

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Replying To Offtheball10:  "Assume that New York won't be allowed to play homegrown players that have played in the Connacht Championship and upcoming Tailteann cup?
My understanding is London won't be allowed to field those homegrown players who'll have played for their seniors.

Would be unfair on the other teams competing in the Junior as these players will have been involved in intercounty senior competitions in the same year."
I'm not sure if they will or not, it's hard to find out any information regarding that. Been trying to find out how many homegrown players New York have and of the team that started against Sligo, I think 4 of the starting team were homegrown and 1 of the subs that came on was homegrown. There's about 15 homegrown players involved in the extended panel of 40 players. But they still have very good US players like Shane Hogan and Shane Slattery that haven't been involved, they could possibly draft a few of these in for the JFC.

Interestingly, there's been very little between Warwickshire and London Juniors in the Championship in the last few meetings.

All Britain final 2021
Warwickshire 1-10 0-13 London
All Britain Final 2021 Replay
Warwickshire 2-13 0-08 London
All Britain Championship 2022 Rd1
Warwickshire 3-08 3-14 London

10 out of starting team for Warwickshire that won the championship last year were homegrown, I was surprised to read that. London have a lot of the same players involved as last year with a few new additions

Hard to know what sort of team Kilkenny will have. If the JFC isn't to be played until July and in the off chance Kilkenny have been knocked out of the hurling, I wonder will we see some Kilkenny footballers under pressure to play hurling for their clubs if the club scene is back in full swing?

HandballRef (Donegal) - Posts: 520 - 18/05/2022 13:37:35    2418394

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This is London's junior team btw

skirge7 (UK) - Posts: 251 - 20/05/2022 17:31:12    2419052

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https://www.gaa.ie/football/gaa-football-all-ireland-junior-championship/
Friday 8 July
All-Ireland JFC semi-finals
Warwickshire v New York
London v Kilkenny

Saturday 9 July
Tailteann Cup final
Westmeath or Offaly v Sligo or Cavan, Croke Park - RTE

Saturday 9/Sunday 10 July
All-Ireland SFC semi-finals
Galway or Qualifier v Derry or Qualifier
Dublin or Qualifier v Kerry or Qualifier

Sunday 10 July
All-Ireland JFC final
Warwickshire or New York v London or Kilkenny

The Tailteann Cup final will be played before the All-Ireland SFC semi-final on the Saturday.
Is the All-Ireland JFC final to be played before the All-Ireland SFC semi-final on the Sunday?

legendzxix (Kerry) - Posts: 7868 - 08/06/2022 20:46:54    2423469

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This is getting close now, any predictions on the next Junior All Ireland champions? Any word sort of team Kilkenny have managed to get together? There is talent in the county and athleticism from the hurlers, wonder will they commit to it?

Semi Finals

New York v Warwickshire
NY by 10 in this one.

London v Kilkenny
London by 3, but could ether way depending on who togs for KK

Final

New York v London
NY to shade it by 1

fancyaride (Mayo) - Posts: 180 - 06/07/2022 14:34:24    2430102

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Replying To Gaa Fan:  "A check of the recent Kerry players to benefit from the Junior Championship show the following names:
Conor Cox, now with Roscommon, won All-Irealnds in 2012, 2015 and 2017.
Tadgh Morley, Gavin Crowley, Adrian Spillane, Jason Foley, Killian Spillane and Mike Breen were winners also."
Cavan won it in 2014 and by my reckoning there are at least 3 of that squad involved in the senior squad for this weekend, Conor Moynagh amongst them. I believe we won via the Leinster championship. Every county seemed to have their own rules on eligibility, which didn't always make it a level playing field.

Calving4Sam (Cavan) - Posts: 80 - 07/07/2022 08:08:17    2430191

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If a player has played for New York or London in the Senior all Ireland Championship can they play in the Junior Championship?

Temple56 (Westmeath) - Posts: 394 - 07/07/2022 14:28:23    2430307

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Article on the GAA.ie with the New York senior captain suggests that he and others from the senior team will be playing in the Junior championship this weekend??

Disgraceful if it is the case.

Was already buzzard that New York were allowed to jump straight into the Quarter Finals of the Tailtien Cup.

Offtheball10 (Meath) - Posts: 60 - 07/07/2022 14:43:49    2430317

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Replying To Temple56:  "If a player has played for New York or London in the Senior all Ireland Championship can they play in the Junior Championship?"
I think each team has the choice if they wish to field players who have played senior championship, but could be wrong.

Not sure what the situation is with New York. I know for certain London are only playing players who have not played senior championship. The London team is very much a development side, so the best homegrown players are not involved in this weekend's games.

fancyaride (Mayo) - Posts: 180 - 07/07/2022 15:38:50    2430331

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Replying To Cockney_Cat:  "Strange? London have won a Senior All-Ireland."
And that's one more than any of the counties of Carlow, Wicklow, Longford, Westmeath, Sligo, Leitrim, Fermanagh, Monaghan or Antrim has won at senior level in either code.

Munster is the only province where every county has an AI Senior title in either football or hurling (Limk, Tipp, Kerry and Cork, of course have titles in both codes).

foreveryoung (USA) - Posts: 1923 - 07/07/2022 16:14:25    2430342

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Replying To Offtheball10:  "Article on the GAA.ie with the New York senior captain suggests that he and others from the senior team will be playing in the Junior championship this weekend??

Disgraceful if it is the case.

Was already buzzard that New York were allowed to jump straight into the Quarter Finals of the Tailtien Cup."
But the entire New York Junior team is made up of US born players. It is a different team to the one that played in the Tailteann Cup. Only 4 players who started against Offaly will be involved. Disgraceful is a tad much.

Have also heard that any homegrown London players who may have been part of the London senior panel earlier in the season but who didn't play any games will be allowed to join up with the Junior team. Their entire squad is homegrown as well.

HandballRef (Donegal) - Posts: 520 - 07/07/2022 16:57:43    2430353

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Big swing.
A couple of stats relevant to that statement.
The least populous county in Munster has about 2x the population as 6 of the 9 counties referenced
7 of the 9 counties are under 100K and most of them well below that mark with Clare and Waterford being the least populous in Munster both at about 127K.
Only 2 of the 9 have populations exceeding the least populous in Munster ( Wicklow and Antrim) and there are other factors impacting relative success factors in both of those counties.

anotheralias (Galway) - Posts: 841 - 07/07/2022 16:59:30    2430354

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London, New York should be allowed to field their first choice teams. To improve this competition they should probably allow teams eliminated from the Tailteann Cup to join.

The_analyser (Roscommon) - Posts: 3759 - 07/07/2022 17:32:58    2430366

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Replying To HandballRef:  "But the entire New York Junior team is made up of US born players. It is a different team to the one that played in the Tailteann Cup. Only 4 players who started against Offaly will be involved. Disgraceful is a tad much.

Have also heard that any homegrown London players who may have been part of the London senior panel earlier in the season but who didn't play any games will be allowed to join up with the Junior team. Their entire squad is homegrown as well."
London and New York both have homegrown players who featured in All Ireland Senior competitions this year. By the sounds of it New York are intending to use these same players in the Junior competition whilst London are not which is not right or fair regardless of what country the said players are born in. It's either a junior competition or it's not.
Warwickshire and Kilkenny can field who they want as they don't have a team who competes at senior level. I believe the majority of the Warwickshire panel is homegrown also.

Offtheball10 (Meath) - Posts: 60 - 07/07/2022 19:26:38    2430386

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Replying To HandballRef:  "But the entire New York Junior team is made up of US born players. It is a different team to the one that played in the Tailteann Cup. Only 4 players who started against Offaly will be involved. Disgraceful is a tad much.

Have also heard that any homegrown London players who may have been part of the London senior panel earlier in the season but who didn't play any games will be allowed to join up with the Junior team. Their entire squad is homegrown as well."
Disgraceful the right word. How can a comp for junior countys revamped to develop allow players who've played senior county to play? London have two teams so do NYC. Play in senior comp, get knocked out just tog for juniors. Goes against everything. Warwickshire junior county where do they get senior players from- talk about bend the rules good look to warwickshire captain hyping his team up before that match. Precedent set

Breiffne1 (Cavan) - Posts: 27 - 07/07/2022 21:15:12    2430389

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ah lads will ye relax.. its a competition that very few are interested in, with the semi final and final played over the same weekend! yes the rules seem all over the place but going a bit far to be calling it disgraceful!!

Garmin (Longford) - Posts: 87 - 08/07/2022 09:55:43    2430405

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Kilkenny won by 5

DelganyUpper (Tyrone) - Posts: 17 - 08/07/2022 21:00:03    2430569

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Replying To fancyaride:  "In terms of outright winner, if New York are allowed to field all of their homegrown lads including those who have played for the Connacht then imagine they would have to be favourites. Does anyone know if they can?

Offtheball10 is right in that London cannot field lads who are on the senior panel and indeed there are a few players who havent played for the london seniors who don't appear to be lining out for the Junior team either who be starters, so it makes it very interesting. As said the london side is a young one with emphasis on development and most of those lads wouldnt even have experience of senior club football. Warwickshire would have a fairly equal pick, but the overall standard and skill set in Warwickshire isn't great compared with London.

The strength of Kilkenny will be interesting, which could depend on how many hurlers with cross-code interest they can tempt in for a potential show down in Croker."
"The strength of Kilkenny will be interesting, which could depend on how many hurlers with cross-code interest they can tempt in for a potential show down in Croker."

Do you think Kilkenny are going to drop football players, who got them to the final, so that hurlers who haven't kicked a ball all year can play in Croke Park?

Cockney_Cat (UK) - Posts: 2478 - 09/07/2022 10:34:29    2430612

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Replying To Garmin:  "ah lads will ye relax.. its a competition that very few are interested in, with the semi final and final played over the same weekend! yes the rules seem all over the place but going a bit far to be calling it disgraceful!!"
Agreed. Some people just like to complain anything. They can thank the GAA for providing this competition, so that they can complain about a competition that they aren't even attending!

legendzxix (Kerry) - Posts: 7868 - 09/07/2022 11:49:35    2430627

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Congratulations Kilkenny!

legendzxix (Kerry) - Posts: 7868 - 10/07/2022 18:34:15    2431137

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Replying To Cockney_Cat:  ""The strength of Kilkenny will be interesting, which could depend on how many hurlers with cross-code interest they can tempt in for a potential show down in Croker."

Do you think Kilkenny are going to drop football players, who got them to the final, so that hurlers who haven't kicked a ball all year can play in Croke Park?"
Great result for ye CC!

Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 12008 - 10/07/2022 19:54:53    2431164

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