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Mayo were poor last night.
Ran out of ideas chasing a lead verses a blanket defence.
Never took a long kick out with the wind at their backs.
Tyrone conceded the lockout and set up inside their own 45 and just waited for Mayo to give them the ball back.
The definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over and expecting a different result.
Mayo's game plan last night was complete insanity

tirawleybaron (Mayo) - Posts: 1343 - 20/03/2022 17:37:43    2405959

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Replying To tirawleybaron:  "Mayo were poor last night.
Ran out of ideas chasing a lead verses a blanket defence.
Never took a long kick out with the wind at their backs.
Tyrone conceded the lockout and set up inside their own 45 and just waited for Mayo to give them the ball back.
The definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over and expecting a different result.
Mayo's game plan last night was complete insanity"
I would be worried about the continued lack of firepower we are showing in the league campaign. Cillian O'Connor and Tommy Conroy have been huge losses, and ROD won't be able to do it all on his own against the better teams come the championship. Some of the newer Mayo players seemed reluctant to a pot at the posts throughout the league.

AOS's best role would seem to be that of an impact sub.

We never have worked out a coherent attacking plan against massed defenses, going back as far as Horan's initial tenure.

It would be good to get a win against Kildare as losing three on the bounce would not be good for confidence ahead of the Galway tie.

Gleebo (Mayo) - Posts: 2208 - 22/03/2022 09:17:54    2406358

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Still scratching my head on what happened last Saturday. Some players played ok, but others didn't do anything to advance the argument for them getting anywhere near a championship panel. Jason wasn't right on the night and once one of your most experienced operators was struggling to lead the attack it became a shambles of individuality, with only ROD able perform a one man band act. The number of passes back from scoreable sectors of the pitch in last 25 minutes would make you wonder what the tactics were. I figure the team could easily have engineered at least 10 shots in that 25 mins from about 40m out, and with that strong wind. If half of them went wide Mayo would have finished with more wides, but about 5 more points. As it was I think 3 over-hit passes went wide... why not aim for the posts rather than trying to feed a forward with a ball right in the corner where he was going to have to work very hard to engineer a 50/50 shot? It boggles the mind. Tyrone will hardly be all that pleased with their performance, although I think 3 of their players were better than our best performer. They got two points which was the only thing they cared about.

We've Kildare coming up in Carrick. Don't know what team will be selected for this one. I didn't expect us to continue to experiment for the last two league games, but now I wonder is it genuinely a case of JH and co still looking to decide the options they have and hoping for someone to put their hand up? Between that and Cillian's fitness obviously still not right the optimism of a couple of weeks ago has evaporated. That's probably an overreaction and whatever about a league final place I'd prefer to see Cillian on the field or the sideline togged out. For their part Kildare are still not beyond a place in the final themselves. If they beat us by 6 points and Armagh lose by 5 they'll play Kerry and not us or Armagh. Considering where they were a few weeks back that's not bad going. If we send out another FBD type team I think Kildare will have no problem winning by a decent margin, probably because again we'll struggle to put up a score reflecting our possession. Kildare by 4 to 6 I'm thinking right now.

Pericles (Mayo) - Posts: 2521 - 23/03/2022 18:48:40    2406754

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According to reports yesterday the MacHale Park pitch will be ready for the 24th. A team from the Croke Park ground staff were down to take a look. The recent good weather no doubt is helping.

yew_tree (Mayo) - Posts: 11543 - 24/03/2022 17:20:22    2406914

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Looking at the team announced I see nothing to change my mind about a Kildare win by 4+ points. We have a half-back line with one pacey player in Mullin, though it's not natural for him to stick close to his marker. Then we have Aidan, who I don't believe will be selected anywhere near the half-back line as a starter come the championship and because of that I wonder what the gain is from him getting two starts as CHB? Lastly we have Stephen, who has shown himself to be a decent CHB, but hasn't had the best form so far. I think it's right he gets game time to play himself back to form, but tactically I wonder what he'll be expected to bring as a No 7? The half-forward line looks as unsettled, though not as unbalanced as the half-back line. The FF line could do anything, including very little again. Jason looked very sharp early in the campaign but didn't get into it last weekend, so hopefully that was just a blip. The bits I like are Rory Byrne getting another game to bring him on, McBrien the same and he'll likely be well tested considering what's in front of him, and the midfield has been strong and reliable up to this. I like the fact that James Carr has been brought into the squad, although why it has taken till the last game makes me wonder about his form and/or his fitness. Cillian not being there is the big negative, plus Diarmuid and Rob are the other sure starters in the championship if fully recovered. It's hard for a team to click when personnel, positions and tactics are continually being altered from game to game, but this again has the look of JH putting players into positions for a learning exercise rather than for a full blooded bid for the two points (or even one).

Team:
Rory Byrne (Castlebar Mitchels); Lee Keegan (Westport), David McBrien (Ballaghaderreen), Padraig O'Hora (Ballina Stephenites); Oisín Mullin (Kilmaine), Aidan O'Shea (Breaffy), Stephen Coen (Hollymount/Carramore, captain); Jordan Flynn (Crossmolina Deel Rovers), Matthew Ruane (Breaffy); Conor Loftus (Crossmolina Deel Rovers), Jack Carney (Kilmeena), Fergal Boland (Aghamore); Aiden Orme (Knockmore), Jason Doherty (Burrishoole), Ryan O'Donoghue (Belmullet). Subs: Colm Reape (Knockmore), Brendan Harrison (Aghamore), Paddy Durcan (Castlebar Mitchels), Michael Plunkett (Ballintubber), Rory Brickenden (Westport), Enda Hession (Garrymore), Kevin McLoughlin (Knockmore), Conor O'Shea (Breaffy), James Carr (Ardagh), Paul Towey (Charlestown Sarsfields), Darren Coen (Hollymount/Carramore).

Pericles (Mayo) - Posts: 2521 - 24/03/2022 18:42:18    2406928

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Mayo (NFL Division One v Kildare 27/3/2022): Rory Byrne (Castlebar Mitchels); Lee Keegan (Westport), David McBrien (Ballaghaderreen), Padraig O'Hora (Ballina Stephenites); Oisín Mullin (Kilmaine), Aidan O'Shea (Breaffy), Stephen Coen (Hollymount/Carramore, captain); Jordan Flynn (Crossmolina Deel Rovers), Matthew Ruane (Breaffy); Conor Loftus (Crossmolina Deel Rovers), Jack Carney (Kilmeena), Fergal Boland (Aghamore); Aiden Orme (Knockmore), Jason Doherty (Burrishoole), Ryan O'Donoghue (Belmullet).

Subs: Colm Reape (Knockmore), Brendan Harrison (Aghamore), Paddy Durcan (Castlebar Mitchels), Michael Plunkett (Ballintubber), Rory Brickenden (Westport), Enda Hession (Garrymore), Kevin McLoughlin (Knockmore), Conor O'Shea (Breaffy), James Carr (Ardagh), Paul Towey (Charlestown Sarsfields), Darren Coen (Hollymount/Carramore).

Hennelly, Eoghan McLoughlin, Brendan Harrison, DOC and COC all missing for this one, with Paddy Durcan making it back to the bench. Mayo's injury travails continue, although hopefully the game time will help Jason Doherty along a bit.

I would have liked to have seen a bit more of James Carr and Darren Coen in this NFL campaign, but I gather they both were nursing injuries? Fionn MacDonagh seems also to have also fallen down the pecking order since he burst on to the scene a few years back.

AOS at centre-back wasn't a great success against Tyrone, though it seems like JH is having a second bite at it.

Gleebo (Mayo) - Posts: 2208 - 25/03/2022 08:38:01    2406951

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Quite a different team played from the one picked and quite a different performance from what unfolded in Omagh. The shot shy approach seen up North gave way to a shoot out with Kildare and Mayo putting up a very pleasing score, even if it came with a bit of a wide count. Between that and Kildare's 18 points the umpires were given a busy afternoon. Lots of positives in the forward play and greater directness. Defence conceding 18 points is a minus, but the likes of Jimmy Hyland being kept scoreless from open play (landed 3 frees and a mark) by Lee shows he still has the sort of concentration levels needed to frustrate a top forward. The big minus is the injuries. Good chance Brendan Harrison is gone again for another long spell... he's due a large piece of luck this time, but the odds are it's another bad one. D'OC probably won't be fit to face Kerry and may even struggle to take the field against Galway. Depends if his substitution was a breakdown or just precautionary with him feeling the hamstring a bit.

The league final is a bonus. Jack O'Connor won't be holding anything back and it'll be interesting to see if Mayo follow suit. The curtain raiser will be more than a little bit interesting too.

Pericles (Mayo) - Posts: 2521 - 28/03/2022 11:53:04    2407698

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Good league for Mayo, the aim would have been to try new players and avoid relegation so to make a league final is a great outcome.
Few good wins and the 2 losses and a draw were a good learning experience and showed flaws, which you want to find out about in the league.
I think if Aidan O Shea is to stay at 6, then Stephen Coen cannot be in the half back line either cause that's 2 players that don't bring the hard running that causes problems for opposition and what Mayo attacks are based off.
O Donoghue is going well inside, getting scores and reliable at the frees. Its looking like Orme and Doherty might be the 2 in with him, both good footballers but at the minute both look very markable, as they wouldn't be putting much fear into opposition defense.

It will be interesting to see what Horan will do for the final. will he go full strength or rotate again.

tommy132 (Mayo) - Posts: 635 - 28/03/2022 12:54:14    2407733

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Replying To tommy132:  "Good league for Mayo, the aim would have been to try new players and avoid relegation so to make a league final is a great outcome.
Few good wins and the 2 losses and a draw were a good learning experience and showed flaws, which you want to find out about in the league.
I think if Aidan O Shea is to stay at 6, then Stephen Coen cannot be in the half back line either cause that's 2 players that don't bring the hard running that causes problems for opposition and what Mayo attacks are based off.
O Donoghue is going well inside, getting scores and reliable at the frees. Its looking like Orme and Doherty might be the 2 in with him, both good footballers but at the minute both look very markable, as they wouldn't be putting much fear into opposition defense.

It will be interesting to see what Horan will do for the final. will he go full strength or rotate again."
Aidan O'Shea was at 11 yesterday and will remain there at least until Diarmuid is back fit. Plunkett and Brickendon both had fine games yesterday in defence, 2 lads that don't get much credit. I'd have Carr starting ahead of Orme based on yesterday too.

MayoDan (Mayo) - Posts: 447 - 28/03/2022 14:42:03    2407780

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Replying To Pericles:  "Quite a different team played from the one picked and quite a different performance from what unfolded in Omagh. The shot shy approach seen up North gave way to a shoot out with Kildare and Mayo putting up a very pleasing score, even if it came with a bit of a wide count. Between that and Kildare's 18 points the umpires were given a busy afternoon. Lots of positives in the forward play and greater directness. Defence conceding 18 points is a minus, but the likes of Jimmy Hyland being kept scoreless from open play (landed 3 frees and a mark) by Lee shows he still has the sort of concentration levels needed to frustrate a top forward. The big minus is the injuries. Good chance Brendan Harrison is gone again for another long spell... he's due a large piece of luck this time, but the odds are it's another bad one. D'OC probably won't be fit to face Kerry and may even struggle to take the field against Galway. Depends if his substitution was a breakdown or just precautionary with him feeling the hamstring a bit.

The league final is a bonus. Jack O'Connor won't be holding anything back and it'll be interesting to see if Mayo follow suit. The curtain raiser will be more than a little bit interesting too."
Kerry will be a big test but similar to Galway in that they have a lot if good scoring options up front and their defence is much improved. We need more scores from play from the forwards who'll be tested by a good Kerry defence but doesn't matter what lines the scores come from if we win. It's not all about preparing for Galway though, we should be going full tilt to lift the league title

GreenandRed (Mayo) - Posts: 7926 - 28/03/2022 15:10:50    2407792

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What's wrong with Mayo's strength and conditioning team over the past 4/5 yrs. ?

So many long-term injuries year in , year out , and its preventing management going into a championship with a full playing deck..
Its cost them an All Ireland beause they are simply losing too many players and its gone past a co-incidence at this stage,
and anyone brushing it aside blaming it on bad luck are sun-shiners.

Vish (USA) - Posts: 94 - 28/03/2022 21:03:50    2407903

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Replying To Vish:  "What's wrong with Mayo's strength and conditioning team over the past 4/5 yrs. ?

So many long-term injuries year in , year out , and its preventing management going into a championship with a full playing deck..
Its cost them an All Ireland beause they are simply losing too many players and its gone past a co-incidence at this stage,
and anyone brushing it aside blaming it on bad luck are sun-shiners."
'Many' 'long-term' injuries?

GreenandRed (Mayo) - Posts: 7926 - 29/03/2022 10:26:31    2407975

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Replying To Vish:  "What's wrong with Mayo's strength and conditioning team over the past 4/5 yrs. ?

So many long-term injuries year in , year out , and its preventing management going into a championship with a full playing deck..
Its cost them an All Ireland beause they are simply losing too many players and its gone past a co-incidence at this stage,
and anyone brushing it aside blaming it on bad luck are sun-shiners."
Yea it's all the s & c teams fault. They really should have been prepared for the dubs breaking eoghan mclaughlins jaw . All jokes aside it's very unfair to blame s and c. For years in Galway we have alluded to the superior s and c work being done in mayo. Undoubtedly the more you train and the more you push the boundaries there will be some injuries that wouldn't occur if lads were lying in the bed.

anotheralias (Galway) - Posts: 981 - 29/03/2022 10:37:35    2407984

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Replying To GreenandRed:  "'Many' 'long-term' injuries?"
Enough "ACL" injuries over the past 4 years to right off a tilt at an All-Ireland.
Allowing Conroy t be ran into the ground making him play 3 times in 6 days in fields of muck in January was was totally avoidable and careless, or was that just the curse again ?

Vish (USA) - Posts: 94 - 29/03/2022 11:17:11    2408012

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Replying To anotheralias:  "Yea it's all the s & c teams fault. They really should have been prepared for the dubs breaking eoghan mclaughlins jaw . All jokes aside it's very unfair to blame s and c. For years in Galway we have alluded to the superior s and c work being done in mayo. Undoubtedly the more you train and the more you push the boundaries there will be some injuries that wouldn't occur if lads were lying in the bed."
lets mention the broken jaw to prove a point......and avoid the multiple ACL injuries that have occurred over the past 4 years.

Vish (USA) - Posts: 94 - 29/03/2022 11:19:15    2408014

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Replying To Vish:  "Enough "ACL" injuries over the past 4 years to right off a tilt at an All-Ireland.
Allowing Conroy t be ran into the ground making him play 3 times in 6 days in fields of muck in January was was totally avoidable and careless, or was that just the curse again ?"
Conroy didn't play 3 games in 6 days. He hadn't played for over a week before the Donegal game, then played Sigerson a few days later like many other college players.

Who else apart from Doherty suffered an ACL injury in the last 4 years?

MayoDan (Mayo) - Posts: 447 - 29/03/2022 11:35:34    2408029

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Replying To Vish:  "What's wrong with Mayo's strength and conditioning team over the past 4/5 yrs. ?

So many long-term injuries year in , year out , and its preventing management going into a championship with a full playing deck..
Its cost them an All Ireland beause they are simply losing too many players and its gone past a co-incidence at this stage,
and anyone brushing it aside blaming it on bad luck are sun-shiners."
I would say its only Dublin that managed to avoid these injuries to important players over the years, maybe they didnt I just cant think of there players getting long term injuries at the minute..
So would be more travelling that can cause injuries more so than the training?
Travelling long distance after a hard session on the pitch or in the gym, would not be good for you.
I think S&C has improved for injury prevention and gone away from the heavy lifting that would cause damage or for the player to be to stiff

tommy132 (Mayo) - Posts: 635 - 29/03/2022 11:37:46    2408032

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Replying To tommy132:  "I would say its only Dublin that managed to avoid these injuries to important players over the years, maybe they didnt I just cant think of there players getting long term injuries at the minute..
So would be more travelling that can cause injuries more so than the training?
Travelling long distance after a hard session on the pitch or in the gym, would not be good for you.
I think S&C has improved for injury prevention and gone away from the heavy lifting that would cause damage or for the player to be to stiff"
Dublin have got their share of injuries too. Kilkenny, McCaffrey, Brogan and MDMA had ACL injuries. Cian O'Sullivan had chronic hamstring trouble. Probably others as well I've forgotten.

MayoDan (Mayo) - Posts: 447 - 29/03/2022 12:08:31    2408044

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Replying To MayoDan:  "Dublin have got their share of injuries too. Kilkenny, McCaffrey, Brogan and MDMA had ACL injuries. Cian O'Sullivan had chronic hamstring trouble. Probably others as well I've forgotten."
Dublin had such a great panel at that time they were able to absorb injuries better. I really feel sorry for Brendan Harrison who worked so hard to get back and is now injured again.

If we had a fully fit panel…most notably Cillian and Tommy Conroy up front I'd be confident about the year ahead. Not so now. Still a bit short uo front but sure let's see what happens over the next few weeks.

yew_tree (Mayo) - Posts: 11543 - 29/03/2022 12:48:42    2408059

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Replying To MayoDan:  "Conroy didn't play 3 games in 6 days. He hadn't played for over a week before the Donegal game, then played Sigerson a few days later like many other college players.

Who else apart from Doherty suffered an ACL injury in the last 4 years?"
Do you go watch games at all ?
Here's 5 off the top of my head .

(1)
Tom Parsons 2018 v Galway ,

Blew beause of a divot on the bad Pitch at MacHale park, with all his weight suppressing his knee which needed 3 operations to mend.
This i admit was bad luck..

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Cillian o Connor 2020

After coming back from a previous 10 month long-term injury layoff , he was unnecessarily played in "every game in DIv 2", and he eventually snapped his ACL v Clare when the work overload became too much.
Did he really need to be used in every game against lets be honest ..bang average opposition..?

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Jason Doherty v Donegal, August 2019
Has a 2nd breakdown, ACL in both knees which kept him out for 2+ years,
Obviously the rehab programme went south.

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Brendan Harrisson 2020
An innocuous twist of his knee that the medial team have struggled to diagnose and heal, and hes just had a re-occurrence again yesterday after 2 years of trying to get to the bottom of the issue.

(5)
Colm Boyle January 2020
Boyle suffered what was described some weeks later as 'a serious knee injury' by James Horan.
We now understand it to have been a badly damaged cruciate ligament that ended his inter-county season there and then against Dublin on January 28.
Badly missed as their was multiple retirements that year.

Averaging 1 ACL for every year we play going by the numbers , andy b4 that, and have multiple other players in the squad who suffer less damaging injuries but go missing for 2/3 months which is not ideal when the quest is All Ireland and All Ireland only.

Vish (USA) - Posts: 94 - 29/03/2022 12:51:08    2408061

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