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You'd wonder sometimes at how conveniently events that were apparently unknown about at the time are later announced when GAA has telescoped the inter county season.....

BarneyGrant (Dublin) - Posts: 659 - 12/02/2022 13:01:22    2399912

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Forgetting about gaa games clashing with other events, what're your thoughts on the gaa fixing games for oversized stadia.
I seem to be in a minority but I hate the sight of small crowds in big stadia, club games /league games etc
I wish the gaa would fix more all Ireland semis /quarters etc in smaller stadia that would accommodate the crowds, better atmosphere

Galway9801 (Galway) - Posts: 1262 - 12/02/2022 21:59:25    2400024

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Replying To Galway9801:  "Forgetting about gaa games clashing with other events, what're your thoughts on the gaa fixing games for oversized stadia.
I seem to be in a minority but I hate the sight of small crowds in big stadia, club games /league games etc
I wish the gaa would fix more all Ireland semis /quarters etc in smaller stadia that would accommodate the crowds, better atmosphere"
They'd have to pay a % of the gate receipts in rent to the local County then.
It's only right that AI Finals, even small crowd ones like Junior Club, Meagher/Ring/Rackard are in Croke Park as those players deserve their day in it too.

Seanfanbocht (Roscommon) - Posts: 369 - 13/02/2022 11:08:34    2400058

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Replying To sam1884:  "Exactly, too backward ;) Casement would have obvious requirements but apart from that potential stadium, the GAA should have little involvement in the bid. They certainly shouldn't be giving up Croke Park at a time most of our championships will be played.

I don't think the FAI will ask for Croke Park anyway as the rent would likely reduce the benefit of the capacity increase, and Dublin won't get to use two stadiums so they'll go with the Aviva."
You say maybe Casement, why would any stadium want to be part of a soccer bid? Maybe FAI would want the GAA to flog their players that bit harder and play two All Irelands in the one calendar year, a spring All Ireland and a winter one. That would open up stadiums for a full year for the scroungers to play their games.

Saynothing (Tyrone) - Posts: 1269 - 14/02/2022 16:23:26    2400340

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Replying To Saynothing:  "You say maybe Casement, why would any stadium want to be part of a soccer bid? Maybe FAI would want the GAA to flog their players that bit harder and play two All Irelands in the one calendar year, a spring All Ireland and a winter one. That would open up stadiums for a full year for the scroungers to play their games."
I don't think the FAI will ultimately be interested in any GAA stadia for their 2028 bid especially now, it's the Euro's which requires less stadiums than a WC. So to be honest I don't think the FAI will be too concerned how we run off our championships as they'll likely only be asked to provide one Dublin stadium.

In terms of Casement, the GAA are pragmatic and if we agree with all their decisions have sound business minds. The costs related to Casement have jumped since the figures were last agreed upon and a Euro 2028 bid might present an opportunity. It's unlikely expanding the soccer stadium (Windsor) will be practical even using temporary structures, so if the soccer authorities want to host games in Belfast, the only realistic option would be Casement. Whilst Casement will be built without any soccer bid, giving Casement up for one summer will likely solve the funding shortfall or maybe even reduce the GAA bills; it will also put increased emphasis onto getting it built.

sam1884 (UK) - Posts: 943 - 14/02/2022 17:36:47    2400362

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Replying To Saynothing:  "You say maybe Casement, why would any stadium want to be part of a soccer bid? Maybe FAI would want the GAA to flog their players that bit harder and play two All Irelands in the one calendar year, a spring All Ireland and a winter one. That would open up stadiums for a full year for the scroungers to play their games."
€€€. that's why

DuhallowRed (Cork) - Posts: 189 - 14/02/2022 18:10:56    2400373

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Replying To Saynothing:  "You say maybe Casement, why would any stadium want to be part of a soccer bid? Maybe FAI would want the GAA to flog their players that bit harder and play two All Irelands in the one calendar year, a spring All Ireland and a winter one. That would open up stadiums for a full year for the scroungers to play their games."
Couldn't have put it better myself.

BarneyGrant (Dublin) - Posts: 659 - 14/02/2022 18:18:38    2400376

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Replying To Saynothing:  "You say maybe Casement, why would any stadium want to be part of a soccer bid? Maybe FAI would want the GAA to flog their players that bit harder and play two All Irelands in the one calendar year, a spring All Ireland and a winter one. That would open up stadiums for a full year for the scroungers to play their games."
Lots of Irish institutions have discovered to their cost that when they lose sight of what they were supposed to be about, and allow other factors especially money to determine their plans they can find themselves in big trouble.

The GAA was not only not founded as a commercial enterprise, it was founded in the face of almost blanket hostility from the state and those who had money. And yet it has become the most successful Irish institution of all.

It will not maintain that position if it continually allows the state and commerce to shape its future. More especially when those decisions are to the benefit of people who wish us no good.

BarneyGrant (Dublin) - Posts: 659 - 15/02/2022 09:45:33    2400413

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Replying To sam1884:  "I don't think the FAI will ultimately be interested in any GAA stadia for their 2028 bid especially now, it's the Euro's which requires less stadiums than a WC. So to be honest I don't think the FAI will be too concerned how we run off our championships as they'll likely only be asked to provide one Dublin stadium.

In terms of Casement, the GAA are pragmatic and if we agree with all their decisions have sound business minds. The costs related to Casement have jumped since the figures were last agreed upon and a Euro 2028 bid might present an opportunity. It's unlikely expanding the soccer stadium (Windsor) will be practical even using temporary structures, so if the soccer authorities want to host games in Belfast, the only realistic option would be Casement. Whilst Casement will be built without any soccer bid, giving Casement up for one summer will likely solve the funding shortfall or maybe even reduce the GAA bills; it will also put increased emphasis onto getting it built."
Think you're missing the point here, if you built your own home would you let your rival in business live in it for a year enjoying all the benefit's? Same goes for sport, GAA can paddle their own canoe unlike the so called other top sports.

Saynothing (Tyrone) - Posts: 1269 - 15/02/2022 12:33:29    2400461

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Replying To Saynothing:  "Think you're missing the point here, if you built your own home would you let your rival in business live in it for a year enjoying all the benefit's? Same goes for sport, GAA can paddle their own canoe unlike the so called other top sports."
I get that you don't like soccer Saynothing, I don't agree but definitely see your point. Plus the FAI ran soccer here like a circus. You couldn't call them incompetent because some at the top were very competent at looking after self-interests. They let the League of Ireland deteroriate with little support. Hopefully they can get their house in order eventually.

But if you want to compare the GAA to a business then it's a business that won't survive without new players, volunteers, sponsors. And a large number of those new players, from 5 years of age, LGFA and GAA and their parents, have an interest in socccer, rugby, basketball and other activities. If kids have a choice that young they'll try more than one sport and at club level plenty of adults are playing football, hurling and other sports. You won't agree but I think charge the other sports well for using GAA facilities. We'll lose a few to other sports but it could keep even more active in the GAA.

GreenandRed (Mayo) - Posts: 6759 - 15/02/2022 12:53:11    2400468

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Replying To Saynothing:  "Think you're missing the point here, if you built your own home would you let your rival in business live in it for a year enjoying all the benefit's? Same goes for sport, GAA can paddle their own canoe unlike the so called other top sports."
Yet in most other countries teams share grounds without any real issue. So why is it an issue here but not in these countries?

KillingFields (Limerick) - Posts: 2729 - 15/02/2022 13:24:34    2400479

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Replying To KillingFields:  "Yet in most other countries teams share grounds without any real issue. So why is it an issue here but not in these countries?"
They don't have an organastion that was created to promote indigenous Irish sports and culture and to oppose the sports and cult of the oppressive ruler.

GreenandRed (Mayo) - Posts: 6759 - 15/02/2022 13:46:21    2400486

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Replying To KillingFields:  "Yet in most other countries teams share grounds without any real issue. So why is it an issue here but not in these countries?"
Other Countries don't have Gaelic games which need a great big field.

Seanfanbocht (Roscommon) - Posts: 369 - 15/02/2022 14:12:44    2400495

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Replying To Seanfanbocht:  "Other Countries don't have Gaelic games which need a great big field."
So Australia which has Aussie rules which needs a great big field can share with rugby, soccer.
South Africa has cricket to share with rugby, soccer.
loads of other examples....

KillingFields (Limerick) - Posts: 2729 - 15/02/2022 16:47:55    2400535

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Replying To Seanfanbocht:  "Other Countries don't have Gaelic games which need a great big field."
Loads of countries combine cricket fields with other sports. countless other examples as well.

KillingFields (Limerick) - Posts: 2729 - 15/02/2022 18:32:39    2400557

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Replying To Saynothing:  "Think you're missing the point here, if you built your own home would you let your rival in business live in it for a year enjoying all the benefit's? Same goes for sport, GAA can paddle their own canoe unlike the so called other top sports."
No I get your point, but the discussion was the GAA being required to support a soccer bid. The GAA does paddle it's own's canoe and does so very successfully. However whilst there are good GAA grounds that caters for our needs, in terms of major international competitions the only GAA stadiums that could offer assistance is Croke Park in Dublin and potentially Casement in Belfast, the others simply wouldn't meet the standard.

When the bid progresses the FAI in all likeihood won't need the GAA to host games in Dublin as they'll use the Aviva. If authorities in the North want to host actual games then Casement will likely be the only option. I think it would be inclusive and a very good business decision to push Casement as a potential Euro 2028 venue. The GAA don't have to and could fund the surplus money required themselves, as well as being inward looking by insisting it is only for GAA games. But as the last two years have shown looking inwards and closing yourself off as requiring no assistance can be a difficult road to follow and lead to problems if help is required for any reason.

The GAA is more modern than that and a very good business, why not use a soccer bid to assist with Casement, it will bring financial gain and good public relations as well as showing off our stadia and promoting our organisation to the world!

As for competitors, in the world of multi sports families and communities a major soccer tournament won't reduce numbers coming into the GAA, there is nothing to fear there.

In saying all that I actually think the FAI are making a mistake with their bid, they'll be a small part of it and the money used would be much better spent on improving youth soccer and club facilities in Ireland.

sam1884 (UK) - Posts: 943 - 15/02/2022 19:31:26    2400563

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Replying To Galway9801:  "Forgetting about gaa games clashing with other events, what're your thoughts on the gaa fixing games for oversized stadia.
I seem to be in a minority but I hate the sight of small crowds in big stadia, club games /league games etc
I wish the gaa would fix more all Ireland semis /quarters etc in smaller stadia that would accommodate the crowds, better atmosphere"
Every GAA player dreams of playing in Croke Park. I don't think you can take that away from anyone. It's great junior and intermediate club players get to play their finals in Croke Park. Atmosphere can be great even with small crowds. The atmosphere at the recent Junior/inter football finals was great.

yew_tree (Mayo) - Posts: 10999 - 15/02/2022 19:34:49    2400564

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Replying To Seanfanbocht:  "Other Countries don't have Gaelic games which need a great big field."
So cricket and countless other sports dont require very big fields then?

KillingFields (Limerick) - Posts: 2729 - 15/02/2022 20:32:01    2400571

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Replying To KillingFields:  "Loads of countries combine cricket fields with other sports. countless other examples as well."
GAA has a rather different history than cricket and Aussie Rules.

There would most likely not be any gaelic games or Irish language had we not had "narrow minded" nationalists in the 1880s and 1890s. Culture does not survive threats by accident.

BarneyGrant (Dublin) - Posts: 659 - 16/02/2022 08:13:27    2400591

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Replying To yew_tree:  "Every GAA player dreams of playing in Croke Park. I don't think you can take that away from anyone. It's great junior and intermediate club players get to play their finals in Croke Park. Atmosphere can be great even with small crowds. The atmosphere at the recent Junior/inter football finals was great."
I don't think that playing in Croke park is anywhere near as special as it once was, nor is it any sort of an achievement.
Way things are you'd nearly be quicker finding a gaa player who has played there than who hasn't.
There are players who've won matches in Croke Park now who'd struggle to get on many senior club teams.

Galway9801 (Galway) - Posts: 1262 - 16/02/2022 13:10:41    2400674

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