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Replying To Oldtourman:  "Dead right. Both Wexico and Baire will see never anything wrong with any other team except Limerick regardless of long they are 'analysing' games."
This has already been addressed as i said before your fellow county people need to learn the difference between objective opinion and a witchunt.

bostonredsox (Wexford) - Posts: 4368 - 20/02/2022 19:44:51    2401421

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Replying To wexico15:  "The 70-80% remark has absolutely nothing to do with envy let's go through the specifics of the 2021 championship.

Munster Semi v Cork- Hegarty should have got a straight red just before half time for a dangerous head high challenge under the old stand in Thurles on Robert Downey.
Munster Final- Gillane and Flanagan should have got straight reds as well flagged at this stage
All ireland semi final- Casey got a debatable red v Waterford
All ireland final- had absolutely no impact on the result as it was long decided but Lynch should have a got red for dumping Tim O'Mahony head 1st on the ground, it unbelievably dangerous might not even be allowed in a MMA cage.

So there's 75% of games where ye should have got reds and 25% where ye got a debatable red.

Do ye expect a blind eye to be turned? Donal Og was 100% right when he said Hegarty is very loose with his hurl it's not a agenda it's the reality, to be fair nobody said he's just a hatchet man, he's a brilliant player in terms of skill, physicality, athleticism and savage workrate and deservedly got HOTY in 2020 so this notion that he needs to play on the edge is nonsense for me, it's the qualities I mentioned above that make him a brilliant player."
You made a reasoned and detailed points about Limerick hurlers in 2021, from your point of view.
Which by the way, I have no real opinion on, as I didn't see most of these matches.

But, what gets me is the response from all the Limerick supporters on here, it's like a cavalry charge.
Not one of them addressed the issues you raised, instead they ranted whataboutery.
You're wasting your time trying to reason with them.
They are in my opinion, barring the odd one, the most arrogant and obnoxious bunch from any county I've come across in the years I've been on here.

Cockney_Cat (UK) - Posts: 2776 - 20/02/2022 19:50:07    2401423

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Replying To Viking66:  "Plenty of us down here knew exactly what that Kilkenny team were OTM. We saw more of them than anyone else. We just werent on forums."
Well forums like Fear Rua were going at the time and anyone was who criticised KK were laughed out of court and mainly by neutrals. We were told to man up, shut up and take our beating

Oldtourman (Limerick) - Posts: 4492 - 20/02/2022 19:53:29    2401425

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Replying To wexico15:  "Wexford poster says something about Limerick that isn't positive.

Limerick poster brings up Liam Dunne in response.

The most predictable, tired and boring nonsense that you'll see on this page."
In fairness how many and how often were Wexford players sent off between '94 and '01?.

Oldtourman (Limerick) - Posts: 4492 - 20/02/2022 19:56:31    2401429

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Replying To Viking66:  "Plenty of us down here knew exactly what that Kilkenny team were OTM. We saw more of them than anyone else. We just werent on forums."
I remember listening to John Power on Radio 1 a good few years ago now. It was an enjoyable programme and he spoke well. He was asked at one stage who was his toughest opponent. He said that it was Liam Dunne. "Some of the stuff that went on between us wouldn't have been seen in the Congo", he said!

baire (Galway) - Posts: 1849 - 20/02/2022 19:58:33    2401432

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Replying To Viking66:  "I really dont see that Limerick play any closer to the edge than Kilkenny did Wexico. And it's no coincidence that since first Liam then Davy took over our results improved an awful lot. Theres no team won an all Ireland by being nice on the field of play. Time to be nice is over a few pints afterwards."
Absolutely but a few people here really need to be less precious about their own county, when I was reading the suff here yesterday claiming Donal og's comments and Lynch's joke of a red were somehow linked I couldn't believe what I was reading.

bostonredsox (Wexford) - Posts: 4368 - 20/02/2022 20:00:52    2401433

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Replying To wexico15:  "Fair point regards Barron but that's not really a pattern with Waterford for example, it's natural for supporters to defend their own team everyone is guilty of that but some of stuff this week has been crazy, the stuff claiming Donal ogs comments and yesterday's crazy decision were somehow linked were a bit off the spectrum for example, I think a few of ye need to learn to cope better with objective opinions and not be so defensive thinking the world is put to get ye."
Of course we will defend our own just like any other group of supporters but most Limerick fans have an issue with Donal Og using Hegartys dismissal last week to discredit everything Limerick has achieved in the last 4 years. It sounded like something he had rehearsed and was waiting for the first chance to air it . I know Hegarty deserved to be sent off but why was more made off Cooney barging him for no reason or Mannion throwing himself onto the ground. The narrative in the hurling media at the moment is that Limerick are dirty and 'loose' with the hurley and when refs hear that they imagine things like Lynchs incident yesterday.
Limerick played your Wexford 2 weeks ago and did you see anything nasty or dirty from us that you wouldn't see in most matches. Hard hitting and physical with a few bookings on both sides but that's part of why we love the game.

updwell (Limerick) - Posts: 899 - 20/02/2022 21:00:48    2401454

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Replying To Oldtourman:  "In fairness how many and how often were Wexford players sent off between '94 and '01?."
Given I was in primary school at that point i don't know, secondly what's that go to with a chat about the modern game?

bostonredsox (Wexford) - Posts: 4368 - 20/02/2022 21:17:56    2401460

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Replying To updwell:  "Of course we will defend our own just like any other group of supporters but most Limerick fans have an issue with Donal Og using Hegartys dismissal last week to discredit everything Limerick has achieved in the last 4 years. It sounded like something he had rehearsed and was waiting for the first chance to air it . I know Hegarty deserved to be sent off but why was more made off Cooney barging him for no reason or Mannion throwing himself onto the ground. The narrative in the hurling media at the moment is that Limerick are dirty and 'loose' with the hurley and when refs hear that they imagine things like Lynchs incident yesterday.
Limerick played your Wexford 2 weeks ago and did you see anything nasty or dirty from us that you wouldn't see in most matches. Hard hitting and physical with a few bookings on both sides but that's part of why we love the game."
I don't think he was trying to discredit ye, if i remember rightly he mentioned how impressive ye have been and rightly so, i think the difference was Cooney didn't use their hurl like Hegarty, didn't like the Mannion incident either and thats getting too widespread across the board.

bostonredsox (Wexford) - Posts: 4368 - 20/02/2022 21:23:55    2401463

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Replying To Oldtourman:  "In fairness how many and how often were Wexford players sent off between '94 and '01?."
Liam Dunne was sent off in 3 successive championships from 1999 to 2001.

johnocarroll17 (Limerick) - Posts: 408 - 20/02/2022 21:34:26    2401467

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Replying To Cockney_Cat:  "You made a reasoned and detailed points about Limerick hurlers in 2021, from your point of view.
Which by the way, I have no real opinion on, as I didn't see most of these matches.

But, what gets me is the response from all the Limerick supporters on here, it's like a cavalry charge.
Not one of them addressed the issues you raised, instead they ranted whataboutery.
You're wasting your time trying to reason with them.
They are in my opinion, barring the odd one, the most arrogant and obnoxious bunch from any county I've come across in the years I've been on here."
As i said earlier if a Wexford poster make a valid and objective point about Limerick which isn't positive the default of a certain few (certainly not all) is Liam Dunne or something else from the old days which has no real relevance to the modern game.

bostonredsox (Wexford) - Posts: 4368 - 20/02/2022 21:38:13    2401469

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Replying To Cockney_Cat:  "You made a reasoned and detailed points about Limerick hurlers in 2021, from your point of view.
Which by the way, I have no real opinion on, as I didn't see most of these matches.

But, what gets me is the response from all the Limerick supporters on here, it's like a cavalry charge.
Not one of them addressed the issues you raised, instead they ranted whataboutery.
You're wasting your time trying to reason with them.
They are in my opinion, barring the odd one, the most arrogant and obnoxious bunch from any county I've come across in the years I've been on here."
Giving my tuppence worth on this - Limerick people can be quite clannish.

johnocarroll17 (Limerick) - Posts: 408 - 20/02/2022 21:38:55    2401470

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Replying To johnocarroll17:  "Giving my tuppence worth on this - Limerick people can be quite clannish."
And nothing wrong with that. Wexford people are the same. And go drinking in Cork!

Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 15795 - 21/02/2022 08:59:59    2401485

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Replying To wexico15:  "As i said earlier if a Wexford poster make a valid and objective point about Limerick which isn't positive the default of a certain few (certainly not all) is Liam Dunne or something else from the old days which has no real relevance to the modern game."
It's the same cliched response each time, denial, deflection and shoot the messenger tactics. My mistake was to engage at all, we live and sometimes learn wexico!

baire (Galway) - Posts: 1849 - 21/02/2022 10:19:40    2401506

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Replying To Viking66:  "Buy a dictionary lad"
I was taken aback by the use of the word 'massacre' in the context of sport, Viking. I haven't bought a dictionary recently but out of curiosity I looked up Chambers Twentieth Century Dictionary, 1972 edition, and it had only one definition for the word 'massacre':
indiscrimate slaughter, esp with cruelty: carnage - v.t. to kill with violence and cruelty: to slaughter. [Fr. origin doubtful]

I bet you never heard your parents or their neighbours use the term massacre in the context of hurling or any sport for that matter. That use of the word is recent, it's in the online dictionary. I can only surmise that it came from a country where massacres happen on a weekly basis and it's usage is now being trivialised as can be seen online.

baire (Galway) - Posts: 1849 - 21/02/2022 10:46:30    2401516

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Replying To baire:  "I was taken aback by the use of the word 'massacre' in the context of sport, Viking. I haven't bought a dictionary recently but out of curiosity I looked up Chambers Twentieth Century Dictionary, 1972 edition, and it had only one definition for the word 'massacre':
indiscrimate slaughter, esp with cruelty: carnage - v.t. to kill with violence and cruelty: to slaughter. [Fr. origin doubtful


I bet you never heard your parents or their neighbours use the term massacre in the context of hurling or any sport for that matter. That use of the word is recent, it's in the online dictionary. I can only surmise that it came from a country where massacres happen on a weekly basis and it's usage is now being trivialised as can be seen online."]Often heard the term used in a sporting context since I was a child Baire but then I'm only 51.

Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 15795 - 21/02/2022 11:32:41    2401538

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Replying To johnocarroll17:  "Liam Dunne was sent off in 3 successive championships from 1999 to 2001."
Correct.

99 was an Oscar winning performance from John troy.

00 was an opportunistic theatrical debut for one Martin comerford.

01 was silly, and perfectly justified.

He already had a reputation by then and it was easy to send him off.

Doylerwex (Wexford) - Posts: 3592 - 21/02/2022 12:53:56    2401572

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Replying To baire:  "I was taken aback by the use of the word 'massacre' in the context of sport, Viking. I haven't bought a dictionary recently but out of curiosity I looked up Chambers Twentieth Century Dictionary, 1972 edition, and it had only one definition for the word 'massacre':
indiscrimate slaughter, esp with cruelty: carnage - v.t. to kill with violence and cruelty: to slaughter. [Fr. origin doubtful


I bet you never heard your parents or their neighbours use the term massacre in the context of hurling or any sport for that matter. That use of the word is recent, it's in the online dictionary. I can only surmise that it came from a country where massacres happen on a weekly basis and it's usage is now being trivialised as can be seen online."]Get a life man!

Shocs07 (Limerick) - Posts: 374 - 21/02/2022 13:05:50    2401579

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96 all Ireland eamonn scallan was sent off. In 99 00 and 2001 Liam dunne sent off and Mitch Jordan sent off in the all Ireland replay.

Wexfordgaa (Wexford) - Posts: 364 - 21/02/2022 13:27:32    2401587

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Replying To Doylerwex:  "Correct.

99 was an Oscar winning performance from John troy.

00 was an opportunistic theatrical debut for one Martin comerford.

01 was silly, and perfectly justified.

He already had a reputation by then and it was easy to send him off."
He didn't help himself either though.

Bon (Kildare) - Posts: 2325 - 21/02/2022 13:38:57    2401591

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