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Walsh Cup Wexford V Kilkenny

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I don't like lads saying it only January - the championship starts in April 16 and we have our only two home games within 7 days against Galway and Dublin - if we lose both of those you would imagine our season will be over.

Only February and March to get things right.

Yellow (Wexford) - Posts: 585 - 25/01/2022 17:13:18    2396447

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Replying To foreveryoung:  "Read my post again. It's based on the players that both counties have playing for them. The Wexford lads haven't won anything of any great consequence, whereas many of the Tipp lads have AI medals from 2019, and underage success as well.

You can talk about Egan, Darcy and Byrne or even Davy until the cows come home, it is still the players out on the field between the white lines who win games for a county. In my opinion (based on relatively recent evidence) Tipp has those players. Wexford does not."
Can u define 'wexford won't raise a gallop' from your earlier post? I think Tipp will find it very hard to get out of Munster this year. Their 2019 team are now 3 years older and most of that team have a lot of mileage in the legs. I think their downfall will be not introducing and trusting the younger guys since then. Outside of jake Morris none of them have nailed down a place on the team. If you get 2 or 3 off an u20 team to develop in to top seniors you're doing well. As regards wexford I'd be hopeful we'll qualify from the Leinster round robin. Will we win the all Ireland… unlikely but we are capable of beating anyone bar Limerick in my opinion so we're capable of raising as much of a gallop as everyone else

HurlingBuzz (Wexford) - Posts: 528 - 25/01/2022 17:44:16    2396452

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Replying To foreveryoung:  "Read my post again. It's based on the players that both counties have playing for them. The Wexford lads haven't won anything of any great consequence, whereas many of the Tipp lads have AI medals from 2019, and underage success as well.

You can talk about Egan, Darcy and Byrne or even Davy until the cows come home, it is still the players out on the field between the white lines who win games for a county. In my opinion (based on relatively recent evidence) Tipp has those players. Wexford does not."
Tipp have had more recent success thats for sure. They had more recent success also in 1968. Now they have some very good young players who were successful underage who havent had much senior intercounty experience and have lost several senior players from the team we lost to in 2019. They have an unproven manager who wasnt a success when he managed us. They are playing in a Round Robin with the 2 All Ireland finalists from last year and 1 of the losing semi finalists. And a Clare team that definitely improved alot last year and will be strengthened by the likes of Duggan returning. 2 teams will be gone at the end of that round Robin. All in all as I said in my previous post forgetting I'm a Wexford fan and looking at it from a purely neutral point of view you would have to fancy Wexford to go furthur than Tipp this year on what little evidence there is to go on so far this year. Obviously the way the 2 teams go in the League might change that point of view.

Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 14233 - 25/01/2022 18:23:29    2396457

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Replying To tiobraid:  "Ya I get you and I'm not taking it as an insult! I fully agree. Time will tell on Bonnar. He needs to put his own stamp on things now. My fear is that I could name 13 of the starting team today for the first round of the Munster cship - i def could if Sheedy was there. The four guys I mentioned I feel need to play 4/5 league games and in settled positions. Sheedy never done that. Tipp have started a new S&C programme this year which will be interesting. Some of the panel seemed to be in really good physical shape .

Apologies for hijacking the thread!"
Ah no it's a hurling thread Tiobraid and you are most certainly a hurling man. Like us at this time every year there is that same buzz of anticipation! Not really knowing are things going to click or not when the championship gets going. In all my time watching hurling since the early 90s theres only been Kilkenny who pretty much every year are there or thereabouts performance wise. Sitting here right now, and obviously not including Limerick who I'm pretty certain will be the team to beat again, I couldnt be certain who of the rest will perform to their best and who will perform like Galway last year. Or us the year before.

Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 14233 - 26/01/2022 09:24:02    2396494

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Replying To tiobraid:  "Ya I get you and I'm not taking it as an insult! I fully agree. Time will tell on Bonnar. He needs to put his own stamp on things now. My fear is that I could name 13 of the starting team today for the first round of the Munster cship - i def could if Sheedy was there. The four guys I mentioned I feel need to play 4/5 league games and in settled positions. Sheedy never done that. Tipp have started a new S&C programme this year which will be interesting. Some of the panel seemed to be in really good physical shape .

Apologies for hijacking the thread!"
Ah no it's a hurling thread Tiobraid and you are most certainly a hurling man. Like us at this time every year there is that same buzz of anticipation! Not really knowing are things going to click or not when the championship gets going. In all my time watching hurling since the early 90s theres only been Kilkenny who pretty much every year are there or thereabouts performance wise. Sitting here right now, and obviously not including Limerick who I'm pretty certain will be the team to beat again, I couldnt be certain who of the rest will perform to their best and who will perform like Galway last year. Or us the year before.

Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 14233 - 26/01/2022 09:25:46    2396495

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Replying To wexico15:  "I'd imagine a few of us are thinking that but on the basis on what been posted here today I've a 6 year old nephew who is more mature than them."
And he'd know as much about Wexford Gaa as yourself too id imagine. And not show jealousy towards someone who actually knows what's going on behind the scenes. Must be hard for you to stomach.

countyman2022 (Wexford) - Posts: 751 - 26/01/2022 09:50:34    2396499

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Replying To Viking66:  "Tipp have had more recent success thats for sure. They had more recent success also in 1968. Now they have some very good young players who were successful underage who havent had much senior intercounty experience and have lost several senior players from the team we lost to in 2019. They have an unproven manager who wasnt a success when he managed us. They are playing in a Round Robin with the 2 All Ireland finalists from last year and 1 of the losing semi finalists. And a Clare team that definitely improved alot last year and will be strengthened by the likes of Duggan returning. 2 teams will be gone at the end of that round Robin. All in all as I said in my previous post forgetting I'm a Wexford fan and looking at it from a purely neutral point of view you would have to fancy Wexford to go furthur than Tipp this year on what little evidence there is to go on so far this year. Obviously the way the 2 teams go in the League might change that point of view."
Hard to argue with your conclusions, Viking. It's anyone's guess as to how Tipp will perform this year. I sense that expectations within the county aren't really very high, especially since Sheedy did little or nothing to blend in the younger lads. I don't think Bonner will be subjected to too much criticism if he doesn't deliver an All-Ireland but Tipp fans will want to see some positive signs of progress as he tries to build a reasonably new team. I suspect they will find it harder in Munster than Wexford will in Leinster, but that could be partly due to the fact that Munster definitely looks more competitive this year. Tipp have four tough games and it won't be a major shock if they lose all four. That will not happen to Wexford.

midlands (Westmeath) - Posts: 589 - 26/01/2022 10:19:49    2396501

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Replying To countyman2022:  "And he'd know as much about Wexford Gaa as yourself too id imagine. And not show jealousy towards someone who actually knows what's going on behind the scenes. Must be hard for you to stomach."
I can gladly confirm the last 2 sentences are beyond utter tripe and frankly your posts here in the 24 hours are nothing short of bizarre. Attention seeking must be a stressful task.

bostonredsox (Wexford) - Posts: 4368 - 26/01/2022 10:47:52    2396505

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Replying To countyman2022:  "Dont see logic in letting any Tom, Dick and Harry who uses Hoganstand aware of everything that goes on in Wex. Hence didnt say names. Just as didnt disclose the discipline issue and the players involved over Christmas either. Don't mind certain info being out there but absolute specifics I dont agree with. That's all."
Given your bizarre posts of the last 24 hours I'd be highly skeptical of anything your post to be fair, even the unlikely scenario your been genuine I don't really get your point. this is a discussion forum, most people here are just interested in the team and want them to do well, you'd swear by your bizarre comments this was a gossip column in the Daily Mail. Ironically your claim to not agree with disclosing specifics but that exactly what your doing in the above post.

bostonredsox (Wexford) - Posts: 4368 - 26/01/2022 10:51:58    2396506

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Replying To countyman2022:  "And he'd know as much about Wexford Gaa as yourself too id imagine. And not show jealousy towards someone who actually knows what's going on behind the scenes. Must be hard for you to stomach."
Also you seem to be the only poster who see's this forum as some sort of competition of whose knows most...utterly bizarre.

bostonredsox (Wexford) - Posts: 4368 - 26/01/2022 10:56:02    2396507

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Replying To wexico15:  "Given your bizarre posts of the last 24 hours I'd be highly skeptical of anything your post to be fair, even the unlikely scenario your been genuine I don't really get your point. this is a discussion forum, most people here are just interested in the team and want them to do well, you'd swear by your bizarre comments this was a gossip column in the Daily Mail. Ironically your claim to not agree with disclosing specifics but that exactly what your doing in the above post."
Whaf bizarre posts? And what specifics did I disclose?

countyman2022 (Wexford) - Posts: 751 - 26/01/2022 11:00:45    2396508

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Replying To wexico15:  "Also you seem to be the only poster who see's this forum as some sort of competition of whose knows most...utterly bizarre."
Never mentioned anything like that, just seems anytime I post something you have an issue with it. As if your the governor of hoganstand or something its unreal.

countyman2022 (Wexford) - Posts: 751 - 26/01/2022 11:01:47    2396509

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Replying To wexico15:  "I can gladly confirm the last 2 sentences are beyond utter tripe and frankly your posts here in the 24 hours are nothing short of bizarre. Attention seeking must be a stressful task."
Not making attention seeking comments. I'm just calling out your tripe. Just because you have an issue with my comments and posts when no1 else seems to doesn't make you the big dog of HoganStand. Maybe find somewhere else to bring your crybaby antics to.

countyman2022 (Wexford) - Posts: 751 - 26/01/2022 11:04:31    2396511

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Replying To midlands:  "Hard to argue with your conclusions, Viking. It's anyone's guess as to how Tipp will perform this year. I sense that expectations within the county aren't really very high, especially since Sheedy did little or nothing to blend in the younger lads. I don't think Bonner will be subjected to too much criticism if he doesn't deliver an All-Ireland but Tipp fans will want to see some positive signs of progress as he tries to build a reasonably new team. I suspect they will find it harder in Munster than Wexford will in Leinster, but that could be partly due to the fact that Munster definitely looks more competitive this year. Tipp have four tough games and it won't be a major shock if they lose all four. That will not happen to Wexford."
I disagree. I think Leinster will be just as competitive as Munster. As things stand, there is not much to choose between Dublin, Galway, Kilkenny and Wexford, with anyone capable of beating the other. Throw in Laois and Westmeath, who haven't a chance of winning Leinster, but do have a chance of causing an upset against one of the top four.
By the way, how do you see your own county faring this year?

Cockney_Cat (UK) - Posts: 2668 - 26/01/2022 11:06:30    2396512

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Replying To countyman2022:  "And he'd know as much about Wexford Gaa as yourself too id imagine. And not show jealousy towards someone who actually knows what's going on behind the scenes. Must be hard for you to stomach."
Nobody cares what you know or what's going on "behind the scenes" ridiculous posting.

ChinCanHurl (Wexford) - Posts: 292 - 26/01/2022 11:16:53    2396515

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Replying To ChinCanHurl:  "Nobody cares what you know or what's going on "behind the scenes" ridiculous posting."
I'm going to stop the back and forth with the child now as its probably driving all of demented.

bostonredsox (Wexford) - Posts: 4368 - 26/01/2022 11:26:03    2396518

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Replying To wexico15:  "I'm going to stop the back and forth with the child now as its probably driving all of demented."
Would be more what I'd expect in December when theres no hurling to talk about!!!!

Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 14233 - 26/01/2022 12:12:18    2396526

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Replying To wexico15:  "I'm going to stop the back and forth with the child now as its probably driving all of demented."
Or because you know I'm right in what I'm saying. Thats ok Wexico. Finally.

countyman2022 (Wexford) - Posts: 751 - 26/01/2022 12:18:55    2396527

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Replying To Viking66:  "Tipp have had more recent success thats for sure. They had more recent success also in 1968. Now they have some very good young players who were successful underage who havent had much senior intercounty experience and have lost several senior players from the team we lost to in 2019. They have an unproven manager who wasnt a success when he managed us. They are playing in a Round Robin with the 2 All Ireland finalists from last year and 1 of the losing semi finalists. And a Clare team that definitely improved alot last year and will be strengthened by the likes of Duggan returning. 2 teams will be gone at the end of that round Robin. All in all as I said in my previous post forgetting I'm a Wexford fan and looking at it from a purely neutral point of view you would have to fancy Wexford to go furthur than Tipp this year on what little evidence there is to go on so far this year. Obviously the way the 2 teams go in the League might change that point of view."
Time will tell, and I would certainly not mind being proven wrong. I don't see it with Wexford, though. And ye're a team that I like to see winning. 1968 cannot really be compared to today. Wexford still had men in '68 (Nolan, Neville and O'Brien) who had been through the process and experience of winning in 1960. They'd played with many of Wexford's greatest ever, from the 1950's. Such experience is invaluable to a team, as success breeds success. The young guns of '68 would definitely have benefited from having these older winners around them. Alas, '68 wasn't built upon, with many of that team afterwards losing three finals in the 1970's (and further alas, all to Cork).

foreveryoung (USA) - Posts: 2118 - 26/01/2022 12:32:36    2396533

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Replying To Viking66:  "Would be more what I'd expect in December when theres no hurling to talk about!!!!"
I actually feel sorry for him/her in a way, comes across as slightly unhinged.

bostonredsox (Wexford) - Posts: 4368 - 26/01/2022 12:34:53    2396534

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