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Kerry Teams In Munster Club Championship Have Unfair Advantage

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Replying To Gaa Fan:  "The grading of clubs in Kerry is based on logic, namely to have competitive games in each division. There are eight senior teams in the county championship this based on their standing in the club championship.
Divisional teams have won the county eleven times in twenty years.
East Kerry won in 2019 and 2020 and got knocked out in the first round in 2021. The team was made up of player from Firies, Fossa, Glenflesk, Gneevguilla, Listry, Rathmore, Kilcummin, Tuosist, Kilgarvan.
The Crokes (Killarney) a stand alone team have won it eight times in the past twenty years.
Shannon Gaels (Asdee, Ballydonoghue, Ballyduff, Ballylongford, Beale, Tarbert) and Feale Rangers (Clounmacon, Duagh, Finuge, Listowel Emmets, Moyvane, St. Senan's) have not won a game in years.
My point is that none of these clubs are qualified to be classified as senior calibre. To include any of them individually in the county championship schedule would render the competition a farce.
The set up is totally logical. You have all the teams playing in competition which is suits their standard.
Promotion and relegation of teams is strictly enforced."
I agree. This idea of moving teams into a grade for the sake of it is pointless. The Intermediate champions in Kerry haven't made any huge impact at senior. Rathmore were a senior team for almost 20 years and were relegated in 2019 and still haven't been promoted back.

oneoff (UK) - Posts: 984 - 18/01/2022 17:21:25    2395486

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Replying To FoolsGold:  "In Dublin they have a B Championship instead of those teams going down to Intermediate. Dublin clubs don't do well at Intermediate and Junior as a result.

St Vincents were relegated from Senior but in B Championship next year. Would a Leinster and All Ireland Intermediate not be better then a.B.championship"
Dublin championship used to be ridiculous. 32 teams. Complete mismatches at different stages. Teams getting beat 30 odd points.

There was big kick up when teams that were at lower end objected to any regrading so they just called what is in effect the intermediate championship Senior B. Dublin club's pretty abysmal record in Leinster at the other grades is indicative of that. Junior teams playing teams that have been promoted to senior.

BarneyGrant (Dublin) - Posts: 659 - 18/01/2022 17:25:04    2395487

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Totally a matter for Kerry what sort of internal Club Competitions they have.
They have to do what's best for their own 70 Clubs internally and not be worrying about the 62 other County Jinior and Inter Champions, who will likely never play in those competitions again.

Seanfanbocht (Roscommon) - Posts: 368 - 18/01/2022 17:37:11    2395488

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Some of the clubs probaly do struggle, lack of employment or moving abroad . Its in lots of Counties, a few in Cavan do well to field but keep going for now. Maybe relying on youth

FoolsGold (Cavan) - Posts: 2518 - 18/01/2022 17:56:44    2395493

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The provincial system now for well over 100 years has done nothing to balance out the standards or improve weaker counties. I love my Munster championship but it is now time to run them as separate competitions. GAA headquarters should not be mandated with preserving these competitions but looking after the overall condition of the sport in the country. Three divisions with promotion and relegation designed properly. Scrap the leagues as they are only used anyway for warm up and replace with meaningful provincial championships.

Canuck (Waterford) - Posts: 2204 - 18/01/2022 20:51:06    2395511

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Replying To Canuck:  "The provincial system now for well over 100 years has done nothing to balance out the standards or improve weaker counties. I love my Munster championship but it is now time to run them as separate competitions. GAA headquarters should not be mandated with preserving these competitions but looking after the overall condition of the sport in the country. Three divisions with promotion and relegation designed properly. Scrap the leagues as they are only used anyway for warm up and replace with meaningful provincial championships."
I agree! League is a complete farce

Rockies (Cork) - Posts: 947 - 19/01/2022 07:19:15    2395517

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Replying To WanPintWin:  "It's up to every county to decide how they want their competitions to run. Kerry have a system in place which works well for them. It does give them an advantage at intermediate and junior, at provincial and All-Ireland level, but that's not Kerry's problem to resolve.
From their point of view, it gives the best players at small clubs a chance to play at the highest level with their divisional team, while also ensuring they play with their local clubs too and have a chance to progress. It's a good solution for a county with a lot of small rural clubs, spread across the county.
In Galway we have 24 senior hurling teams and 18 senior football teams. Most agree that this is too many, especially in hurling.
Proposals are in place to finally resolve this, so we should have a more balanced structure in the next couple of years.
Our intermediate football champions are our 19th team. While we've done quite well at intermediate in Connacht in recent years, it is a serious challenge for them to beat the 9th best team in Kerry in any given year. Oughterard managed it a couple of years ago by beating Templenoe, but that was big shock.
Our intermediate hurling winners are our 25th best team and have been losing out to the Mayo senior champions in recent years."
Far easier for one county to change their championship then the other 31 counties.

Simple solution is for Kerry to have a Senior 2 or Senior B so that the team representing Kerry at intermediate level would be the 17th best team in Kerry and not the 9th.

Players up and down the country are been denied the chance to win an All Ireland because of the way Kerry have structured their championships.

TheBishop (Galway) - Posts: 169 - 19/01/2022 12:14:43    2395578

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Replying To TheBishop:  "Far easier for one county to change their championship then the other 31 counties.

Simple solution is for Kerry to have a Senior 2 or Senior B so that the team representing Kerry at intermediate level would be the 17th best team in Kerry and not the 9th.

Players up and down the country are been denied the chance to win an All Ireland because of the way Kerry have structured their championships."
There were talks of increasing our senior championship to 12 clubs, if it'll happen or not I don't know, but it wouldn't want to increase by more than that or it would be rubbish.

Lots of posters form other counties saying that having too many senior teams ruins their championships so Id be inclined to listen to them and don't go down that route.

KingdomBoy1 (Kerry) - Posts: 14092 - 19/01/2022 14:01:44    2395601

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Replying To TheBishop:  "Far easier for one county to change their championship then the other 31 counties.

Simple solution is for Kerry to have a Senior 2 or Senior B so that the team representing Kerry at intermediate level would be the 17th best team in Kerry and not the 9th.

Players up and down the country are been denied the chance to win an All Ireland because of the way Kerry have structured their championships."
Except why would or should Kerry change?
They have the divisional teams so best players who want to play senior can when they otherwise wouldnt.
Kerrys system works very well for them. theyre not going to change because then other counties would have to change as well which doesnt work as all counties have to have the system that works best for them
Cork also have lots of divisional teams. No calls for them to change either?

KillingFields (Limerick) - Posts: 2729 - 19/01/2022 15:20:14    2395623

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Kerry are clearly doing something right - they are the most successful county in football and I'm certain that having all the best players playing senior club championship.
The nature of how their entire championship is set up gives all players exposure to a lot of knock out football also. Their system gives their best players the chance to play high intensity knock out games.

I would also note that when the Dublin club structure went to senior A and B - the county team got a lot better also

I would love to see Mayo change to the Kerry style championship as it's set up for it

tirawleybaron (Mayo) - Posts: 987 - 22/01/2022 09:13:54    2395923

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Replying To tirawleybaron:  "Kerry are clearly doing something right - they are the most successful county in football and I'm certain that having all the best players playing senior club championship.
The nature of how their entire championship is set up gives all players exposure to a lot of knock out football also. Their system gives their best players the chance to play high intensity knock out games.

I would also note that when the Dublin club structure went to senior A and B - the county team got a lot better also

I would love to see Mayo change to the Kerry style championship as it's set up for it"
It works well for us in fairness, and it allows players from novice junior and intermediate clubs a chance to play for the big prize.

The 2 Cliffords have 2 senior County medals with East Kerry where as they wouldn't have got them with their club.

KingdomBoy1 (Kerry) - Posts: 14092 - 22/01/2022 12:38:06    2395937

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Replying To KillingFields:  "Except why would or should Kerry change?
They have the divisional teams so best players who want to play senior can when they otherwise wouldnt.
Kerrys system works very well for them. theyre not going to change because then other counties would have to change as well which doesnt work as all counties have to have the system that works best for them
Cork also have lots of divisional teams. No calls for them to change either?"
Kerry should not have to change - but the intermediate winners should not be allowed in the the Munster championship. Same for Junior. Their championship structure is putting out teams in the Munster championship who are at a different grade. This denies all other counties a chance to win.

skirge7 (UK) - Posts: 187 - 24/01/2022 15:19:48    2396241

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Replying To skirge7:  "Kerry should not have to change - but the intermediate winners should not be allowed in the the Munster championship. Same for Junior. Their championship structure is putting out teams in the Munster championship who are at a different grade. This denies all other counties a chance to win."
What teams are at a different grade?
Their intermediate winners played in the intermediate championship and their junior winners played in the junior championship and may only have small number if even playing for the divisional side.

KillingFields (Limerick) - Posts: 2729 - 24/01/2022 16:46:13    2396268

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Replying To skirge7:  "Kerry should not have to change - but the intermediate winners should not be allowed in the the Munster championship. Same for Junior. Their championship structure is putting out teams in the Munster championship who are at a different grade. This denies all other counties a chance to win."
Every team in any division, in any county, should have a realistic chance of winning that division. They should be at least competitive and provide stiff competition for its opponents. Any team in the Kerry intermediate set-up would provide only a workout for any team in the senior grade. Stacks, O'Rahillys, Crokes, and the other senior teams would blow them away. The Kerry arrangement of their divisions serves the teams, players, and spectators well. No player wants to be embarrassed once in a competition not alone four or five times.

Gaa Fan (USA) - Posts: 669 - 24/01/2022 17:00:02    2396271

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Seeing as Na Gaeil lost I assume this is no longer an issue?

oneoff (UK) - Posts: 984 - 29/01/2022 17:32:33    2397012

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Na Gaeil lost in the intermediate semi final today so any advantage was overcome by the Derry side! Out of interest what rank are Steelstown in Derry?

Kerry15 (Kerry) - Posts: 921 - 29/01/2022 18:16:27    2397023

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Can we close thread. Na Gaeil beaten. Wont mention the referee performance but well done to Steelstown.

kerry4sam21 (Kerry) - Posts: 103 - 01/02/2022 10:21:28    2397639

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How did the Kerry Junior Champions get on?

TheBishop (Galway) - Posts: 169 - 01/02/2022 11:16:09    2397651

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Replying To TheBishop:  "How did the Kerry Junior Champions get on?"
Gneeveguilla won their semi final beating Denn 5:08 to 1:12.

KingdomBoy1 (Kerry) - Posts: 14092 - 02/02/2022 11:59:33    2397907

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