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Replying To Rockies: "You've spent a lot of time compiling this, so it must be accurate. I'll act on it and run to bookies!" Off with ya, as fast as your legs can carry you! foreveryoung (USA) - Posts: 1903 - 19/01/2022 11:34:11 2395566 Link
Replying To BarneyGrant: "Apologies Viking old chap! Was close though :-) That was great game to watch and poor Davy sent off to the stand! I've been going up there and Ballycastle for 40 years and more. They were always a tough gig. No love lost it is fair to say between Dublin and Antrim as we were always the last chance saloon with Laois when it came to relegation for years and years. Great time for them all the same as hurling in Belfast and Antrim was far more dangerous off the field than on it." For sure Barney hopefully those bad days off the pitch stay firmly on the past. Tbh like yourselves our record in League games up there is pretty poor I can only remember beating them once in a few trips up there since I moved down here from Belfast in the early 90s Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 11715 - 19/01/2022 12:23:52 2395586 Link
Replying To Rockies: "Read book by Henry Martin. "Mick Mackey. Hurling legend in troubled county". He's a Limerick man... swears that Limerick dominated hurling in 1930's. 5 Munster titles. 3 all Irelands" And according to book could well have won more Limerick in one of those finals cant remember year Limerick had a 21 to draw with KK Mick M went for goal and the goalie caught it also Mick Mackey diden't play one year due to bereavement to one of his siblings lost out on 2 all Irelands clooney (Clare) - Posts: 878 - 19/01/2022 12:38:44 2395587 Link
Slightly surprised there hasnt been more changes to the Tipp panel. Many felt at the start of the 2019 season that big changes were needed. It remains to be seen what Colm Bonnar does and who he selects but I've a feeling I could pick 13 of the starting team right now for the first round of the championship. Limerick supporters will laugh but Tipp probably played the best 35 mins of hurling they have ever played in that game last year so there is still a glimmer of hope. However the second half and the Waterford game showed a big issue with fitness and pace - which has been pointed out as an issue for years but rarely got exposed. For me its now time for Brian McGrath and Eoghan Connolly to be given starting places and left in the team for the year. Ger Browne needs to make his mindup now if he wants to be an intercounty player - if they can get the best from him he will be a massive addition as there is hardly a faster player in the country. Likewise Cadell and Byrne now need to nail down positions or hand the jersey to someone else. The two McGraths have performed poorly for Tipp for two seasons so if they can find form then Tipp may not be all that far away - at least from the top of the chasing pack. On a whole the Tipp panel is relatively evenly balanced even with the fact we are missing four strong panelists due to injuries and other committments. Theres very little to be got from predicting anything in the league as Limerick looked they had very much come back to the pack throughout the league last year and we all know how that went. However a lot of teams will be taking it seriously on some level - and many need to find new players, particularly Galway, Tipp and Wexford. For me the two best in the country currently are obviously Limerick - followed by Waterford. You can name 6/7 teams in any order after that. tiobraid (Tipperary) - Posts: 4119 - 19/01/2022 12:58:50 2395592 Link
Back then the league had more prestige than the AI final due to the winners getting a trip to America. 4 league titles and 3 AIs was some haul in 10 years. daveboy (Limerick) - Posts: 1121 - 19/01/2022 14:12:10 2395605 Link
Our All-Ireland count is pretty dismal at two with eight appearances in the final. Add in the the many semi final appearance in the last twenty years and it reads bad for a county who spend a decent amount of time up with the elites. However I have empathy for counties and good teams who have less. They soldier on regardless and we don't have anymore right for success than them. Canuck (Waterford) - Posts: 2655 - 19/01/2022 14:34:58 2395609 Link
Replying To Canuck: "Our All-Ireland count is pretty dismal at two with eight appearances in the final. Add in the the many semi final appearance in the last twenty years and it reads bad for a county who spend a decent amount of time up with the elites. However I have empathy for counties and good teams who have less. They soldier on regardless and we don't have anymore right for success than them." We can only keep at it! Was reading Brendán ÓhÉithir's biography and during some self description of himself in the mid 50s he listed as one of his ambitions "Iomainaithe na Gaillimhe an Craobh a bhuachaint." Chonaic sé :-) BarneyGrant (Dublin) - Posts: 2518 - 19/01/2022 15:46:47 2395627 Link
Replying To daveboy: "Back then the league had more prestige than the AI final due to the winners getting a trip to America. 4 league titles and 3 AIs was some haul in 10 years." 5 league titles! Rockies (Cork) - Posts: 947 - 19/01/2022 15:50:59 2395628 Link
i feel limericks biggest danger this year will be waterford i f liam cahill can improve them another bit they won't be far away.....i think tipp and clare are the best of the rest..... wexford just don't have the quality galway for all the underage talent look a long way off and henry doesnt have a magic wand and unproven at this level. cork to me are over rated and will have to wait a few years for last years exceptional minor team to start coming through. kilkenny are kilkenny will be tough to beat but are short the quality to make an impact. dublin look to be improving and could cause a surprise or two in leinster. munsterchamps (Limerick) - Posts: 1095 - 19/01/2022 15:58:29 2395631 Link
Replying To munsterchamps: "i feel limericks biggest danger this year will be waterford i f liam cahill can improve them another bit they won't be far away.....i think tipp and clare are the best of the rest..... wexford just don't have the quality galway for all the underage talent look a long way off and henry doesnt have a magic wand and unproven at this level. cork to me are over rated and will have to wait a few years for last years exceptional minor team to start coming through. kilkenny are kilkenny will be tough to beat but are short the quality to make an impact. dublin look to be improving and could cause a surprise or two in leinster." I think Henry is overrated as a manager and could be found out this year ..... johnocarroll17 (Limerick) - Posts: 408 - 19/01/2022 18:08:59 2395651 Link
Replying To tiobraid: "Slightly surprised there hasnt been more changes to the Tipp panel. Many felt at the start of the 2019 season that big changes were needed. It remains to be seen what Colm Bonnar does and who he selects but I've a feeling I could pick 13 of the starting team right now for the first round of the championship. Limerick supporters will laugh but Tipp probably played the best 35 mins of hurling they have ever played in that game last year so there is still a glimmer of hope. However the second half and the Waterford game showed a big issue with fitness and pace - which has been pointed out as an issue for years but rarely got exposed. For me its now time for Brian McGrath and Eoghan Connolly to be given starting places and left in the team for the year. Ger Browne needs to make his mindup now if he wants to be an intercounty player - if they can get the best from him he will be a massive addition as there is hardly a faster player in the country. Likewise Cadell and Byrne now need to nail down positions or hand the jersey to someone else. The two McGraths have performed poorly for Tipp for two seasons so if they can find form then Tipp may not be all that far away - at least from the top of the chasing pack. On a whole the Tipp panel is relatively evenly balanced even with the fact we are missing four strong panelists due to injuries and other committments. Theres very little to be got from predicting anything in the league as Limerick looked they had very much come back to the pack throughout the league last year and we all know how that went. However a lot of teams will be taking it seriously on some level - and many need to find new players, particularly Galway, Tipp and Wexford. For me the two best in the country currently are obviously Limerick - followed by Waterford. You can name 6/7 teams in any order after that." Agreed, that was a mighty half of hurling from Tipp. Hope that Bonnar Maher stays injury-free, and gets back to near the top of his game. He's great to watch. Noel McGrath, I think is a last 20-minute man at this stage, but a great one, as he can play anywhere from 8-15. I think Callinan is near the end of his tether now; not surprised that Bubbles didn't make it (low work-rate). It'd only be a fool who'd write off Tipp this year; a good blend of experience with a few exciting newcomers. 2019 isn't all that long ago at all. I'd expect Caddell and Byrne to make the starting 15. Willie Connors is a big loss, and am very surprised that Tynan didn't make the cut. He's a fine player. foreveryoung (USA) - Posts: 1903 - 19/01/2022 20:02:50 2395667 Link
Replying To Rockies: "5 league titles!" Yes Rockies. 1934 to 1938 inclusive. They also Beat KK in a replay. John Mackey played in all six wins. Oldtourman (Limerick) - Posts: 4316 - 19/01/2022 21:11:43 2395674 Link
Replying To munsterchamps: "i feel limericks biggest danger this year will be waterford i f liam cahill can improve them another bit they won't be far away.....i think tipp and clare are the best of the rest..... wexford just don't have the quality galway for all the underage talent look a long way off and henry doesnt have a magic wand and unproven at this level. cork to me are over rated and will have to wait a few years for last years exceptional minor team to start coming through. kilkenny are kilkenny will be tough to beat but are short the quality to make an impact. dublin look to be improving and could cause a surprise or two in leinster." The thing about Kilkenny is they have won a lot with great teams and also with not so great teams. Their knack of winning is uncanny. They send a shiver down my spine anytime we face them and the stats are there to show it. We should have won in "57 and "63. In 1963 scoring 6 goals on the fabulous Ollie Walsh (R.I.P.) and still losing. We had a decent team in 2008 and they pasted us. This the most sickening one. It is too easy to say we were better than that, but we weren't on the day and that is that. Canuck (Waterford) - Posts: 2655 - 19/01/2022 21:48:37 2395678 Link
Replying To Canuck: "The thing about Kilkenny is they have won a lot with great teams and also with not so great teams. Their knack of winning is uncanny. They send a shiver down my spine anytime we face them and the stats are there to show it. We should have won in "57 and "63. In 1963 scoring 6 goals on the fabulous Ollie Walsh (R.I.P.) and still losing. We had a decent team in 2008 and they pasted us. This the most sickening one. It is too easy to say we were better than that, but we weren't on the day and that is that." Ollie Walsh...my first hurling hero when I was a young boy. Cockney_Cat (UK) - Posts: 2446 - 20/01/2022 09:55:12 2395692 Link
What do Tipp supporters think about 'Bubbles' O'Dwyer being omitted from the panel? If there is no way back, you would have thought Colm Bonnar would have told him he wasn't in his plans, so giving 'Bubbles' the chance resign and announce his retirement from inter-county hurling. Cockney_Cat (UK) - Posts: 2446 - 20/01/2022 10:03:06 2395693 Link
Replying To Oldtourman: "Yes Rockies. 1934 to 1938 inclusive. They also Beat KK in a replay. John Mackey played in all six wins." Above should have said 'they also beat Kilkenny in a replay in the final of 1947'. Mackey was the only survivor on that side from the mid '30s team. Oldtourman (Limerick) - Posts: 4316 - 20/01/2022 10:47:34 2395701 Link
Replying To Cockney_Cat: "What do Tipp supporters think about 'Bubbles' O'Dwyer being omitted from the panel? If there is no way back, you would have thought Colm Bonnar would have told him he wasn't in his plans, so giving 'Bubbles' the chance resign and announce his retirement from inter-county hurling." Definitely would have deserved that. Suppose the door is still open for him? Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 11715 - 20/01/2022 10:48:20 2395702 Link
Replying To Canuck: "The thing about Kilkenny is they have won a lot with great teams and also with not so great teams. Their knack of winning is uncanny. They send a shiver down my spine anytime we face them and the stats are there to show it. We should have won in "57 and "63. In 1963 scoring 6 goals on the fabulous Ollie Walsh (R.I.P.) and still losing. We had a decent team in 2008 and they pasted us. This the most sickening one. It is too easy to say we were better than that, but we weren't on the day and that is that." Ye were so much better than ye showed that day Doylerwex (Wexford) - Posts: 2624 - 20/01/2022 13:57:23 2395745 Link
Replying To Doylerwex: "Ye were so much better than ye showed that day" '57 and '63 were before my time. As for 2008, I wouldn't spend too much time dwelling on it. The simple fact is that ye met that great KK team, arguably the best of all time and the best of my time (let's see if Limk can change that) at its zenith. No team would have lived with the cats that day; great in 2006, 2007 and 2009-better than great in 2008. I've really only seen three ever complete performances in AI hurling finals: KK in 1982, again in 2008, and Limerick last year. By complete, I mean they won every position (or at least 13 of the 15) on the field. That Waterford team had some of the finest men to ever wield a camán. foreveryoung (USA) - Posts: 1903 - 20/01/2022 15:31:13 2395761 Link
Replying To Cockney_Cat: "Ollie Walsh...my first hurling hero when I was a young boy." I believe Noel Skehan was 30 before he got the job and look what he went on to do. He was a different type of goalie again. The first I ever seen to kill a hard shot right on his stick and play out to the side. No rebounds. Ollie would stop bullets and the job Duck Whelan had was to run over him before it came in or after he stopped it. Those were the days when the goalie could be murder (practically). Thankfully not anymore. Imagine being stationery concentrating on the dropping ball and getting attacking by a raging bull. Canuck (Waterford) - Posts: 2655 - 20/01/2022 16:28:08 2395776 Link