(Oldest Posts First) - Go To The Latest Post
Ballygunner also has the pick of half the city and the outskirts. Players from other area's of the city also joining them. Bit farcical. Waterford club hurling is very poor bar them. Often well beaten in challenge and tournament matches against clubs from other counties. Dont even attempt put it down to family that they've done well. No other club has that size a pick.
countyman2022 (Wexford) - Posts: 642 - 15/01/2022 15:45:08 2395049 Link 0 |
Not putting it down to that alone in Ballygunner's case but as a general point. Yes they have a large pick now . However how many players do they have on the Waterford team that has been fairly competitive over the last 20 years. . At most three at any given time. This would suggest that Waterford club hurling is not so bad. Certainly using the term "very poor" shows which end of your body you are speaking from.
Canuck (Waterford) - Posts: 2660 - 15/01/2022 16:04:32 2395054 Link 0 |
Na Piarsaigh also comprehensively beat Clonoulty Rossmore of Tipp in '19.
Oldtourman (Limerick) - Posts: 4321 - 15/01/2022 16:26:04 2395059 Link 0 |
Well what else would you call Waterford club hurling if one team has won EIGHT in a row and as you say only has 'At most three at any given time' on county team. Doesn't say much for the rest if its as good as your making it out to be. The end I'm speaking from is the end that has seen most of these clubs play over the last few years through involvement. We know the end your speaking from if you can't see how poor it is.
countyman2022 (Wexford) - Posts: 642 - 15/01/2022 16:43:26 2395064 Link 0 |
It says there is one very good team in the county and proved the same in the province. I suppose hurling was poor in Ireland when Kilkenny dominated the All-Irelands ? Or Limerick in their recent string of successes ? With regard your judgement of Waterford club hurling I or anyone else won't lose any sleep over your analysis. There are many counties who have a higher standard but to call the Waterford standard 'very poor" well speaks for itself. Incidentally for over 60 years I have followed Waterford hurling and many other counties. Never wearing rosy tinted glasses. Canuck (Waterford) - Posts: 2660 - 15/01/2022 17:10:23 2395072 Link 1 |
They did but the Tipp championship isn't great either
johnocarroll17 (Limerick) - Posts: 408 - 15/01/2022 17:27:36 2395076 Link 0 |
And Na Piarsaigh have half the city of Limerick and a considerable number of suburbs to pick from ....
johnocarroll17 (Limerick) - Posts: 408 - 15/01/2022 17:30:12 2395077 Link 0 |
The 'pick' NAP has is a highly debatable point. Let us be honest hurling is dead and buried in the City long ago. Apart from Na Piarsaigh wins, the last City team to win the County Championship was Claughaun all of 35 years ago. Once proud clubs like Young Irelands and Treaty Sarsfields are long gone and St Patricks, Old Christians and Claughaun are all only a shadow of the fine clubs they once were. I was a student in Ard Scoil Ris over fifity years ago and even then hurling was dying in the City. NAP was founded in 1968 mainly by country people living in the North of the City. It took them 26 years to gain Senior status and a further seventeen years to win their first County Title. Any NAP supporter I have spoken to before Munster Championship games will point out that they always have very little support at games in comparison to what other County Champions they oppose have. Of the few times I have spoken to NAP supporters it has amazed that those supporters are nearly always relatives of players, another sure sign they have no widespread support in the community they represent. Considering the two Dempseys and the two Caseys are from farming families shows that even their panel is not entirely drawn from city dwellers. Oldtourman (Limerick) - Posts: 4321 - 17/01/2022 18:26:56 2395364 Link 1 |
Na Piarsaigh evolved from Treaty Sarsfields. In fact Noel Dromgoole and Maurice O'Grady - the two who founded Na Piarsaigh - were both involved with Treaty but owing to a disagreement they broke away and set up Na Piarsaigh. My late dad often said that Treaty had little or no following as anytime they played in the county they brought very little support. Yes hurling needs to recommence in parishes like St. Mary's for example. And as a side note - in football two of the top three clubs in the Limerick senior roll of honour - Commercials and Treaty - have been disbanded for many years now. johnocarroll17 (Limerick) - Posts: 408 - 18/01/2022 13:51:04 2395444 Link 0 |
And then another factor is that in the city there is no parish rule. So most of the promising hurlers in the city will gravitate towards Na Piarsaigh rather than their own clubs - which may be junior for example.
johnocarroll17 (Limerick) - Posts: 408 - 18/01/2022 13:53:10 2395445 Link 0 |
Serious question. Did Noel get to pick the colour of the jersey???
BarneyGrant (Dublin) - Posts: 2557 - 18/01/2022 19:03:10 2395500 Link 0 |
The survival and attraction of hurling and football in a county the size of Waterford is to be commended. Soccer in the junior league has always been stronger and played at a highly competitive level with big membership. Rugby has also enjoyed strong support with Waterpark and Waterford city clubs. Despite that many players choose to play GAA. Recently it is Dessie Hutchison and before him Kevin Moran, Paul Flynn, Shane Briggs (football) and others. They may have not made the top of the chain in professional sport but would surly have made a living. It says something about the deep roots of our games. Canuck (Waterford) - Posts: 2660 - 18/01/2022 20:35:36 2395508 Link 1 |
He actually did. Fact.
johnocarroll17 (Limerick) - Posts: 408 - 19/01/2022 11:27:14 2395564 Link 1 |
In fact the dispute was over the purchasing of a playing pitch. Treaty Sarsfields had no permanent home pitch and the two lads wanted Treaty to purchase a field in Caherdavin. When the Treaty officers procrastinated the two lads broke away and set up Na Piarsaigh - who in time purchased a field there.
johnocarroll17 (Limerick) - Posts: 408 - 19/01/2022 11:31:16 2395565 Link 1 |
I'd normally agree but I think in Tipp we have seen pretty good progress in the standard of club hurling and for me a lot of this has got to do with the restructuring of the cship and the competitiveness of it. Reducing from 32 to 16 will get rid of the huge hammerings and poor games and in turn make the top (and all) clubs stronger. You had anything up to 10 clubs previously who went out to win one game and stay up where as now the top 16 (or most of them) will feel they have a right chance of winning it out - while also looking over their shoulder at intermediate for the following season. The 2020 county final showed that the standard has gone up. Still a bit off but I think improvements are being made.
tiobraid (Tipperary) - Posts: 4119 - 19/01/2022 12:45:21 2395590 Link 1 |
Mike & Peter Casey are from Meelick In Clare
clooney (Clare) - Posts: 888 - 19/01/2022 15:09:00 2395619 Link 2 |
And the Breens are from Corbally which is Abbey Sarsfields. Kevin Downes is from Coonagh - parish of Parteen in Clare.
johnocarroll17 (Limerick) - Posts: 408 - 19/01/2022 18:10:34 2395652 Link 0 |