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Replying To Canuck:  "Often clubs in many counties, a family comes along and provide the back bone of a team. Ballysaggart a parish of 300 people came from junior to senior with the Bennetts and were unlucky to be relegated this year. Beaten twice in added on time. No disrespect to them but when this era is over will probably be junior again. Ballyduff Upper were a force when the three Walsh brothers were in their prime. Back before that Portlaw with the four Whelan brothers. Of course it only works if they are good enough to be on the team.
Ballygunner with the Mahonys and Sullivans related to each other make half the team. They also have that structure that is ready to replace those dropping out. If you look at just some of the players just gone. Most clubs would be down for awhile. Brian and David O'Sullivan. Wayne and J.J. Hutchison and others. They will be beaten in Waterford some day on a bad one for them or a team comes and matches them. They had a few scares this year in the early rounds."
Ballygunner also has the pick of half the city and the outskirts. Players from other area's of the city also joining them. Bit farcical. Waterford club hurling is very poor bar them. Often well beaten in challenge and tournament matches against clubs from other counties. Dont even attempt put it down to family that they've done well. No other club has that size a pick.

countyman2022 (Wexford) - Posts: 52 - 15/01/2022 15:45:08    2395049

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Replying To countyman2022:  "Ballygunner also has the pick of half the city and the outskirts. Players from other area's of the city also joining them. Bit farcical. Waterford club hurling is very poor bar them. Often well beaten in challenge and tournament matches against clubs from other counties. Dont even attempt put it down to family that they've done well. No other club has that size a pick."
Not putting it down to that alone in Ballygunner's case but as a general point. Yes they have a large pick now . However how many players do they have on the Waterford team that has been fairly competitive over the last 20 years. . At most three at any given time. This would suggest that Waterford club hurling is not so bad. Certainly using the term "very poor" shows which end of your body you are speaking from.

Canuck (Waterford) - Posts: 1681 - 15/01/2022 16:04:32    2395054

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Replying To johnocarroll17:  "Na Piarsaigh won in 2016 which was 6 years ago. And in 2019 and 2021 the Limerick champions beat Cork opposition to reach the Munster final. And the Cork championship is worse than the Limerick championship ...."
Na Piarsaigh also comprehensively beat Clonoulty Rossmore of Tipp in '19.

Oldtourman (Limerick) - Posts: 3309 - 15/01/2022 16:26:04    2395059

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Replying To Canuck:  "Not putting it down to that alone in Ballygunner's case but as a general point. Yes they have a large pick now . However how many players do they have on the Waterford team that has been fairly competitive over the last 20 years. . At most three at any given time. This would suggest that Waterford club hurling is not so bad. Certainly using the term "very poor" shows which end of your body you are speaking from."
Well what else would you call Waterford club hurling if one team has won EIGHT in a row and as you say only has 'At most three at any given time' on county team. Doesn't say much for the rest if its as good as your making it out to be. The end I'm speaking from is the end that has seen most of these clubs play over the last few years through involvement. We know the end your speaking from if you can't see how poor it is.

countyman2022 (Wexford) - Posts: 52 - 15/01/2022 16:43:26    2395064

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Replying To countyman2022:  "Well what else would you call Waterford club hurling if one team has won EIGHT in a row and as you say only has 'At most three at any given time' on county team. Doesn't say much for the rest if its as good as your making it out to be. The end I'm speaking from is the end that has seen most of these clubs play over the last few years through involvement. We know the end your speaking from if you can't see how poor it is."
It says there is one very good team in the county and proved the same in the province. I suppose hurling was poor in Ireland when Kilkenny dominated the All-Irelands ? Or Limerick in their recent string of successes ?
With regard your judgement of Waterford club hurling I or anyone else won't lose any sleep over your analysis. There are many counties who have a higher standard but to call the Waterford standard 'very poor" well speaks for itself.
Incidentally for over 60 years I have followed Waterford hurling and many other counties. Never wearing rosy tinted glasses.

Canuck (Waterford) - Posts: 1681 - 15/01/2022 17:10:23    2395072

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Replying To Oldtourman:  "Na Piarsaigh also comprehensively beat Clonoulty Rossmore of Tipp in '19."
They did but the Tipp championship isn't great either

johnocarroll17 (Limerick) - Posts: 323 - 15/01/2022 17:27:36    2395076

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Replying To Oldtourman:  "Na Piarsaigh also comprehensively beat Clonoulty Rossmore of Tipp in '19."
And Na Piarsaigh have half the city of Limerick and a considerable number of suburbs to pick from ....

johnocarroll17 (Limerick) - Posts: 323 - 15/01/2022 17:30:12    2395077

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Replying To johnocarroll17:  "And Na Piarsaigh have half the city of Limerick and a considerable number of suburbs to pick from ...."
The 'pick' NAP has is a highly debatable point. Let us be honest hurling is dead and buried in the City long ago. Apart from Na Piarsaigh wins, the last City team to win the County Championship was Claughaun all of 35 years ago. Once proud clubs like Young Irelands and Treaty Sarsfields are long gone and St Patricks, Old Christians and Claughaun are all only a shadow of the fine clubs they once were. I was a student in Ard Scoil Ris over fifity years ago and even then hurling was dying in the City.
NAP was founded in 1968 mainly by country people living in the North of the City. It took them 26 years to gain Senior status and a further seventeen years to win their first County Title. Any NAP supporter I have spoken to before Munster Championship games will point out that they always have very little support at games in comparison to what other County Champions they oppose have. Of the few times I have spoken to NAP supporters it has amazed that those supporters are nearly always relatives of players, another sure sign they have no widespread support in the community they represent. Considering the two Dempseys and the two Caseys are from farming families shows that even their panel is not entirely drawn from city dwellers.

Oldtourman (Limerick) - Posts: 3309 - 17/01/2022 18:26:56    2395364

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Replying To Oldtourman:  "The 'pick' NAP has is a highly debatable point. Let us be honest hurling is dead and buried in the City long ago. Apart from Na Piarsaigh wins, the last City team to win the County Championship was Claughaun all of 35 years ago. Once proud clubs like Young Irelands and Treaty Sarsfields are long gone and St Patricks, Old Christians and Claughaun are all only a shadow of the fine clubs they once were. I was a student in Ard Scoil Ris over fifity years ago and even then hurling was dying in the City.
NAP was founded in 1968 mainly by country people living in the North of the City. It took them 26 years to gain Senior status and a further seventeen years to win their first County Title. Any NAP supporter I have spoken to before Munster Championship games will point out that they always have very little support at games in comparison to what other County Champions they oppose have. Of the few times I have spoken to NAP supporters it has amazed that those supporters are nearly always relatives of players, another sure sign they have no widespread support in the community they represent. Considering the two Dempseys and the two Caseys are from farming families shows that even their panel is not entirely drawn from city dwellers."
Na Piarsaigh evolved from Treaty Sarsfields. In fact Noel Dromgoole and Maurice O'Grady - the two who founded Na Piarsaigh - were both involved with Treaty but owing to a disagreement they broke away and set up Na Piarsaigh. My late dad often said that Treaty had little or no following as anytime they played in the county they brought very little support. Yes hurling needs to recommence in parishes like St. Mary's for example.

And as a side note - in football two of the top three clubs in the Limerick senior roll of honour - Commercials and Treaty - have been disbanded for many years now.

johnocarroll17 (Limerick) - Posts: 323 - 18/01/2022 13:51:04    2395444

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Replying To Oldtourman:  "The 'pick' NAP has is a highly debatable point. Let us be honest hurling is dead and buried in the City long ago. Apart from Na Piarsaigh wins, the last City team to win the County Championship was Claughaun all of 35 years ago. Once proud clubs like Young Irelands and Treaty Sarsfields are long gone and St Patricks, Old Christians and Claughaun are all only a shadow of the fine clubs they once were. I was a student in Ard Scoil Ris over fifity years ago and even then hurling was dying in the City.
NAP was founded in 1968 mainly by country people living in the North of the City. It took them 26 years to gain Senior status and a further seventeen years to win their first County Title. Any NAP supporter I have spoken to before Munster Championship games will point out that they always have very little support at games in comparison to what other County Champions they oppose have. Of the few times I have spoken to NAP supporters it has amazed that those supporters are nearly always relatives of players, another sure sign they have no widespread support in the community they represent. Considering the two Dempseys and the two Caseys are from farming families shows that even their panel is not entirely drawn from city dwellers."
And then another factor is that in the city there is no parish rule. So most of the promising hurlers in the city will gravitate towards Na Piarsaigh rather than their own clubs - which may be junior for example.

johnocarroll17 (Limerick) - Posts: 323 - 18/01/2022 13:53:10    2395445

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Replying To johnocarroll17:  "Na Piarsaigh evolved from Treaty Sarsfields. In fact Noel Dromgoole and Maurice O'Grady - the two who founded Na Piarsaigh - were both involved with Treaty but owing to a disagreement they broke away and set up Na Piarsaigh. My late dad often said that Treaty had little or no following as anytime they played in the county they brought very little support. Yes hurling needs to recommence in parishes like St. Mary's for example.

And as a side note - in football two of the top three clubs in the Limerick senior roll of honour - Commercials and Treaty - have been disbanded for many years now."
Serious question. Did Noel get to pick the colour of the jersey???

BarneyGrant (Dublin) - Posts: 372 - 18/01/2022 19:03:10    2395500

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The survival and attraction of hurling and football in a county the size of Waterford is to be commended. Soccer in the junior league has always been stronger and played at a highly competitive level with big membership. Rugby has also enjoyed strong support with Waterpark and Waterford city clubs. Despite that many players choose to play GAA. Recently it is Dessie Hutchison and before him Kevin Moran, Paul Flynn, Shane Briggs (football) and others. They may have not made the top of the chain in professional sport but would surly have made a living. It says something about the deep roots of our games.
Ballygunner has a large pick but deserve admiration for what they have built. As regards the standard in Waterford. They played the winners of all the counties in Munster with the exception of Cork and Kerry and the nearest to them was Mount Sion. A two point defeat. Fourmilewater pretty much matched the nearest to them in Munster and the blow to Roanmore in the county final was less than two they had in Munster.

Canuck (Waterford) - Posts: 1681 - 18/01/2022 20:35:36    2395508

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Replying To BarneyGrant:  "Serious question. Did Noel get to pick the colour of the jersey???"
He actually did. Fact.

johnocarroll17 (Limerick) - Posts: 323 - 19/01/2022 11:27:14    2395564

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Replying To BarneyGrant:  "Serious question. Did Noel get to pick the colour of the jersey???"
In fact the dispute was over the purchasing of a playing pitch. Treaty Sarsfields had no permanent home pitch and the two lads wanted Treaty to purchase a field in Caherdavin. When the Treaty officers procrastinated the two lads broke away and set up Na Piarsaigh - who in time purchased a field there.

johnocarroll17 (Limerick) - Posts: 323 - 19/01/2022 11:31:16    2395565

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