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Replying To Viking66:  "Theres been plenty of discussion on this and the club championship thread since the end of the championship. I still think 4 groups of 4 is the way to go. Most others think not."
Expanding each grade to 16 teams and doing four groups of four isn't even on the table, as no club proposed it. Don't know how involved you are with your club itself, but you could always put it in there for discussion when this things come round again later in the year with regard to how 2023 onwards will be run.

Way I see it, there's broad support for two sixes all right, but Co. Board emails set out some of the practical difficulties with it. Not only getting it all completed in time to have all grades represented in Leinster, but also difficulties with numbers of match officials and the impact that the necessary midweek fixtures would have on underage, camogie, and ladies football.

Significant too is how there'd be no scope to have a free Sunday if Wexford camogie or ladies football happened to reach an All-Ireland semi-final or final.

Clubs can of course vote for it if they want to, but important that they know what exactly they're voting for.

Pikeman96 (Wexford) - Posts: 957 - 27/01/2022 15:37:47    2396746

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Replying To Pikeman96:  "Expanding each grade to 16 teams and doing four groups of four isn't even on the table, as no club proposed it. Don't know how involved you are with your club itself, but you could always put it in there for discussion when this things come round again later in the year with regard to how 2023 onwards will be run.

Way I see it, there's broad support for two sixes all right, but Co. Board emails set out some of the practical difficulties with it. Not only getting it all completed in time to have all grades represented in Leinster, but also difficulties with numbers of match officials and the impact that the necessary midweek fixtures would have on underage, camogie, and ladies football.

Significant too is how there'd be no scope to have a free Sunday if Wexford camogie or ladies football happened to reach an All-Ireland semi-final or final.

Clubs can of course vote for it if they want to, but important that they know what exactly they're voting for."
Most of the lads in the club who had an opinion that I was talking to preferred the status quo. I'm in a minority!

Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 5589 - 27/01/2022 18:09:54    2396769

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Heard last night that two groups of 6 passed. Most clubs must have wanted it to go back to the old way. So there will be a couple of rounds of championship mid week which should make it interesting. Hurling first again also.

alwaysasub (Wexford) - Posts: 267 - 02/02/2022 07:29:40    2397844

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Not sure why my last post didnt go up, so back to 2 groups of 6, thought the status q would of stayed but happy all the same, gives plenty of matches to teams. Also hurling first, I understand footballs frustrations but I think its the right move. See a few twitter rants from a few x footballers which I dont agree with thats why we have county boards reps. Contrary whats been said on twitter about winter football, it looks like it will be starting at the end of August so will still be relatively warm. For our own club it suits to have hurling first as we give no consideration to football otherwise, if football was first our club would still be hurling. Unfortunately I know alot of other clubs in the same boat.

alwaysasub (Wexford) - Posts: 267 - 02/02/2022 09:16:10    2397854

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Replying To alwaysasub:  "Not sure why my last post didnt go up, so back to 2 groups of 6, thought the status q would of stayed but happy all the same, gives plenty of matches to teams. Also hurling first, I understand footballs frustrations but I think its the right move. See a few twitter rants from a few x footballers which I dont agree with thats why we have county boards reps. Contrary whats been said on twitter about winter football, it looks like it will be starting at the end of August so will still be relatively warm. For our own club it suits to have hurling first as we give no consideration to football otherwise, if football was first our club would still be hurling. Unfortunately I know alot of other clubs in the same boat."
That's up to your club if you put no effort into football but not a genuine reason for Hurling going first each year, Weather shouldn't be a factor either,
Surely player retention should be the biggest issue here, its getting harder to keep younger players playing but its going to be even harder if the same code goes first each year for any player who doesn't play that code
Finish league end of may start of june, then sit around for 3 months doing nothing before championship starts, gonna be very hard keep players that way
If football went first 3 years in a row maybe people would look at it differently then

lefty (Wexford) - Posts: 124 - 02/02/2022 09:45:24    2397858

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Replying To lefty:  "That's up to your club if you put no effort into football but not a genuine reason for Hurling going first each year, Weather shouldn't be a factor either,
Surely player retention should be the biggest issue here, its getting harder to keep younger players playing but its going to be even harder if the same code goes first each year for any player who doesn't play that code
Finish league end of may start of june, then sit around for 3 months doing nothing before championship starts, gonna be very hard keep players that way
If football went first 3 years in a row maybe people would look at it differently then"
A bit like all the debates over the all ireland football championship I don't think finding a structure to keep everyone happy is possible, every system they could have picked hurling first, football first or alternate weekends would have had flaws.

bostonredsox (Wexford) - Posts: 4368 - 02/02/2022 10:43:43    2397873

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They could of course scrap the split season approach rather than just defaulting to hurling first all the time.

It is unfair imho, we know will have had 3 years of hurling first and now looking likely that football will be pushed further back into winter months

tearintom (Wexford) - Posts: 1000 - 02/02/2022 11:26:24    2397885

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Replying To alwaysasub:  "Heard last night that two groups of 6 passed. Most clubs must have wanted it to go back to the old way. So there will be a couple of rounds of championship mid week which should make it interesting. Hurling first again also."
Think the groups of 6 was most people I talked to preferred option. Even though Idve preferred 4 groups of 4. More games to bring the young lads to see. Happy Days!

Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 5589 - 02/02/2022 11:31:28    2397891

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Replying To Viking66:  "Think the groups of 6 was most people I talked to preferred option. Even though Idve preferred 4 groups of 4. More games to bring the young lads to see. Happy Days!"
Don't think its what most players want however.

countyman2022 (Wexford) - Posts: 253 - 02/02/2022 12:22:14    2397916

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Replying To countyman2022:  "Don't think its what most players want however."
What did you want yourself lad?

Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 5589 - 02/02/2022 13:00:55    2397933

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2 groups of 6 is the best format by far.

But one myth needs to be challenged. Football is not being relegated to winter months as I have seen a few suggest.

April, May, June, late August, September and early October are not winter months. That's when football will be played.

However, having said that, I do think playing hurling and football on alternate weeks is the best solution. There is no need to have the split season between hurling and football. The benefits of it have been greatly exaggerated. It has not resulted in a raising of standards at all.

Onfor15 (Wexford) - Posts: 377 - 02/02/2022 13:06:08    2397934

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Replying To tearintom:  "They could of course scrap the split season approach rather than just defaulting to hurling first all the time.

It is unfair imho, we know will have had 3 years of hurling first and now looking likely that football will be pushed further back into winter months"
Scrapping the split season and going with alternating between hurling and football (either week-by-week or in blocks of two or three) was one of the options put to the meeting last night.

Another option was to go with football first.

The overwhelming majority voted to keep the split season and keep the hurling first. And note that it was a vote - they didn't just "default" to anything.

It's democracy in action, with every club having a voice. Not liking the result doesn't make the process unfair.

Also just to note that if hurling starts as planned in late June/early July, it'll finish by end of August, and football will be played through September/October. Hardly "pushed back further", and hardly the winter months.

Pikeman96 (Wexford) - Posts: 957 - 02/02/2022 13:12:47    2397941

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Replying To Onfor15:  "2 groups of 6 is the best format by far.

But one myth needs to be challenged. Football is not being relegated to winter months as I have seen a few suggest.

April, May, June, late August, September and early October are not winter months. That's when football will be played.

However, having said that, I do think playing hurling and football on alternate weeks is the best solution. There is no need to have the split season between hurling and football. The benefits of it have been greatly exaggerated. It has not resulted in a raising of standards at all."
Finally a valid point, again seen on twitter this morning this winter months tag. The proposal as far as I can read it, its late August hardly the depths of winter. I agree also that the fairest option would be to play on alternating weekends and its probably the solution that will happen go forward.

alwaysasub (Wexford) - Posts: 267 - 02/02/2022 13:20:57    2397944

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Replying To Pikeman96:  "Scrapping the split season and going with alternating between hurling and football (either week-by-week or in blocks of two or three) was one of the options put to the meeting last night.

Another option was to go with football first.

The overwhelming majority voted to keep the split season and keep the hurling first. And note that it was a vote - they didn't just "default" to anything.

It's democracy in action, with every club having a voice. Not liking the result doesn't make the process unfair.

Also just to note that if hurling starts as planned in late June/early July, it'll finish by end of August, and football will be played through September/October. Hardly "pushed back further", and hardly the winter months."
I think the key word is democracy. And seemingly it wasnt a close vote as regards the split season with hurling 1st. And football people not getting involved in football in the county because of a perceived bias is just frankly sad and doesn't help the promotion of the game here at all.

Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 5589 - 02/02/2022 14:18:37    2397962

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Pleased it's back to the six-team groups. Fairer system in that it gives a better reflection of the form of sides entering the quarter-finals stage. You get their on merit rather than sneaking through by score difference after drawing your second game.

I would have preferred it ran off in blocks (two weeks hurling-two weeks football-two weeks hurling-two weeks football, then run off the remainder of the hurling to a finish), but at least no matter what happens, there will be more games which is always good. Late August is an agreeable time to start the football in the current guise, provided they stick to the mid-week promise, otherwise I can see it pushed out later in the year.

beano (Wexford) - Posts: 1192 - 02/02/2022 15:10:03    2397974

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Replying To Pikeman96:  "Scrapping the split season and going with alternating between hurling and football (either week-by-week or in blocks of two or three) was one of the options put to the meeting last night.

Another option was to go with football first.

The overwhelming majority voted to keep the split season and keep the hurling first. And note that it was a vote - they didn't just "default" to anything.

It's democracy in action, with every club having a voice. Not liking the result doesn't make the process unfair.

Also just to note that if hurling starts as planned in late June/early July, it'll finish by end of August, and football will be played through September/October. Hardly "pushed back further", and hardly the winter months."
No offence but its a bit naive to belief because something is democratic then it cant be unfair.

No club voted on the basis of what was fair, they voted on the basis of whats best for them and them only, in a county where the majority are more in favour of hurling it was always going to be thus, but that doesnt make it right imho.

Personally speaking from my own point to be fair to both codes if we are persisting with a split season it is only fair to alternate what code goes first year on year. What we have now is 3 years on the trot with hurling getting priority.

Im not pro one or the other, down the line dual and always have been.

tearintom (Wexford) - Posts: 1000 - 02/02/2022 15:15:19    2397976

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Replying To tearintom:  "No offence but its a bit naive to belief because something is democratic then it cant be unfair.

No club voted on the basis of what was fair, they voted on the basis of whats best for them and them only, in a county where the majority are more in favour of hurling it was always going to be thus, but that doesnt make it right imho.

Personally speaking from my own point to be fair to both codes if we are persisting with a split season it is only fair to alternate what code goes first year on year. What we have now is 3 years on the trot with hurling getting priority.

Im not pro one or the other, down the line dual and always have been."
I would be the same as regards both sports should be given equal priority although I admit I prefer watching hurling.

Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 5589 - 02/02/2022 17:45:59    2398012

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Replying To tearintom:  "No offence but its a bit naive to belief because something is democratic then it cant be unfair.

No club voted on the basis of what was fair, they voted on the basis of whats best for them and them only, in a county where the majority are more in favour of hurling it was always going to be thus, but that doesnt make it right imho.

Personally speaking from my own point to be fair to both codes if we are persisting with a split season it is only fair to alternate what code goes first year on year. What we have now is 3 years on the trot with hurling getting priority.

Im not pro one or the other, down the line dual and always have been."
We could split hairs over this one all night long. For example, would it not be unfair too for the majority to have to do what the minority wanted?

I'm told the vote last night was probably 80-20 (ish) in favour of hurling first. You could even argue then that mathematically, the "fairest" thing would be to have football first in one year out of every five, and hurling first in the other four.

Pikeman96 (Wexford) - Posts: 957 - 02/02/2022 17:59:11    2398013

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