Theres 20 players in the last 2posts and 2are on the entire panel as i say its very obvious and looks bad for Monaghan if nothing else considering the minor championship was won by dmoyne corduff killanny innisken between 2014 and 2018

prideof85 (Monaghan) - Posts: 851 - 05/02/2023 18:05:14    2456661

Overall a very poor display alright, but it was not unexpected after the Armagh game.

Like most losing teams a huge number of the problems were self-inflicted, and that's typical of introducing new players. Monaghan's play seemed to drop off dramatically after 20 minutes when the initial surge of adrenalin or whatever had worn off. Again a sign of lack of experience or know-how. The just fell away. Kerry didn't need to up it at all.

Balls into the forward line were poor and misdirected. Hand passes to nowhere. Overall the standard of passing was woeful and this is symptomatic of teams without leaders who end up looking nervous and clueless. They look like they're playing without a plan and are slow and ponderous. Kerry on the other hand played to a system where everyone knew their job and it worked seamlessly. They didn't deviate and looked in control all through.

Again Lennon off again at halftime and Ward starting in midfield for the second half. Didn't work last week. Player positions don't look right. Boyle as a halfback, Ward a halfback or midfield or half forward? Subs on but it wasn't clear to me where they were playing etc.

A huge number of Kerry scores came from Monaghan attacks where the ball was given away or turned over. If this could have been stamped out a bit then that would have changed the complexion of the game. No way Monaghan were in danger of winning. Losing is one thing, getting beaten out the gate is demoralising and damaging.

Apart from O'Hanlon and Banngan there were few positives. O'Hanlon didn't see much ball in the first half. Monaghan need to have a plan to play him into the game. In the second half it just looked like he'd decided to go ahead and do it himself as far as he could.

Overall, there was no cohesion to Monaghan's play and a few of the newer guys look like they could do with some strength and conditioning coaching. In div. 1 football that's automatically going to cost you any chance of winning.

That being said, for the next day, I'd like to see at least some of the 5 subs who came on start and also Hughes (Clontibret) who was on the panel today.
Beef it up a bit.

Also thought the referee was very hard on Monaghan today. Poor display from him.

PolicemanFox (Monaghan) - Posts: 158 - 05/02/2023 18:10:30    2456664

An alternative monaghan team would definitely put it up to thatMonaghan team today
Shane garland
Grimes killanny
M murnaghan dmoyne
ChrisHanratty inniskeen
Stephen finnegan dmoyne
Shane woods inniskeen
Shane hanratty inniskeen
Aaron lynch carrick
Andrew woods inniskeen
Liam mcdonald dmoyne
Shane Mcguinnes ballybay
P keenan corduff
Garland dmoyne
Aaron mulligan latton
Eddie walsh killanny
All available

prideof85 (Monaghan) - Posts: 851 - 05/02/2023 18:38:00    2456683

And if its physicality were looking for the alternative team would equal todays team in that regard

prideof85 (Monaghan) - Posts: 851 - 05/02/2023 18:45:35    2456686

HB245 (Monaghan) - Posts: 206 - 05/02/2023 19:29:34    2456730

No harm boys but some of the posts are ridiculous,the big problem started 3 years ago with a very weak county board, Vinny has been left with a squad of players that went to the well to often an came back with nothing, (he was part of that management team) that means he has some big decisions to make, so far he seems to be given the existing squad a chance, he trained with the majority of these players an should know them better than any of us, so he should know the bluffers to weed out ,I still think he should have had trials on the same format that mayo done,is Vinny strong enough hopefully so but it's going to take time and some painful watching.The last manager couldn't get 3 corduff players up to county standard why would Vinny try ???

Fit15 (Monaghan) - Posts: 19 - 05/02/2023 19:51:35    2456748

A lot of names being thrown around here are ridiculous. Lynch for Carrick is anonymous in most club club games, never mind county..

Looking at senior championship games last year the county was always going to struggle - Paul Finley is still ballybays main man, Clontibret live and die by what mood Manzy is in, scotstowns game plan is to get Darren Hughes the ball on the run, blayney still rely on Marty McElroy and had to put him in the backs to actually get the ball to him - these are the biggest clubs in Monaghan and their main men are all in their late 30's and their young lads are nowhere near the level these lads were at.

Outside of that in senior Latton flatter to deceive at times but they'll have a lot of representation on the county in the coming years, Truagh have fallen asunder, inniskeen and aughnamullan have some great talent but don't have the numbers around them.. that that's the standard of Monaghans top club competition doesn't paint a pretty picture. Wouldn't surprise me to see a young group of players come from intermediate and win the senior competition in their first year!
That's if a certain transfer doesn't go through though..

Jjoniel79 (Monaghan) - Posts: 143 - 05/02/2023 21:13:50    2456791

ORIELMAN85 (Monaghan) - Posts: 111 - 05/02/2023 21:23:54    2456796

prideof85 (Monaghan) - Posts: 851 - 05/02/2023 21:25:28    2456799

Big learning curve for the new players only 7 players started today, that started in the championship in Castlebar. Its a new team. All the bashing Vinny has been getting in regard to Mulligan is a joke.
Garland won't play and Mulligan was with the Monaghan panel in Killarney.

shaggylegend (Monaghan) - Posts: 1928 - 05/02/2023 21:54:18    2456810

Monaghan have been punching above their weight for a few seasons now and have done remarkably well to hold onto their Division 1 status in that time… The time was always going to come when the team under transition would fall back and probably slip down to Division 2 but there is no big shame in that…

ForeverBlue2 (Cavan) - Posts: 1920 - 06/02/2023 10:06:32    2456831

ORIELMAN85 (Monaghan) - Posts: 111 - 06/02/2023 11:13:08    2456838

MonaghanBoi (Monaghan) - Posts: 55 - 06/02/2023 17:41:13    2456888

monman246 (Monaghan) - Posts: 90 - 06/02/2023 20:41:25    2456919

Think few of the comments on here are very harsh.

First point id like to make is we were playing the most gifted county in Ireland, no matter what players they were missing they've a conveyor belt down that part of the country.

Also singling out certain players by name for not been good enough is very cowardly considering everyone here hides behind an account. If your gonna slate certain players make your identity known as slagging of certain players, some in their first year isn't going to help.

My third point would be, as much as I feel we are safer being in division 2 for the foreseeable for the rebuilding process, I feel we haven't played a team that we would have felt we could have beaten before the league started.

Donegal, Tyrone and Roscommon (yes i know they've started well) are the three teams that I would say were the must win games.

Just few points, some may disagree.

Farney1990 (Monaghan) - Posts: 20 - 06/02/2023 20:43:46    2456920

Some of the posts regarding the team selection and panel members are unfair to a new management team. I know that the new management team attended the vast majority of the knock out games in this years championship in all grades and have selected players on merit. I know they have asked a number of lads to join the panel and for one reason or another it hasn't suited lads due to travel and work commitments. Lets not lose sight of the fact that being an inter county player in Division is probably a 5-6 day a week commitment not taking into account nutrition hydration and everything else that goes with it and therefore its not for everyone.

We knew this day was coming were a rebuild had to start and it couldn't be kicked down the road any further. Its unfair to expect Darren Hughes, Conor McManus etc. to keep churning out performances year on year in the National League and to what end? There has been trojan work ongoing in schools and with development squads all of which have been very competitive and this bear fruition over the next few years. We need patience now and let the new management team integrate new players and get them up to speed with the pace of the inter county game, the physicality of the inter county game and let players learn from their mistakes. Young players will develop that I have no doubt because they are eager to improve and the structures are in place to help them develop and improve. If we relegate so be it we have sailed very close to the wind over the last number of years but if we can unearth a number of new players it will be a success. Remember the 2013 Ulster Championship was won from Division 3 after Eamon McEnaney had done the spade work with unearthing the likes of Fintan Kelly, Dermot Malone, Karl O Connell, Kieran Duffy, Drew Wylie and others and provided these players with a platform to learn their trade at this level.

Silly talk of poor performances and worst performance ever did people forget the 2020 Cavan Championship second half. Fermanagh 2018 in the semi final of the Ulster Championship, last years Kerry game in Inniskeen were all a lot poorer than Sundays game.

Get behind the management team and the players and provide support to who is on the panel rather than who is not on the panel for one reason or another. Donegal is a very winnable game lets look forward not back. For what Vinny Corey has done for this county in his playing days the very minimum he deserves now is support and patience. He got very little wrong when playing and I expect that he is a quick learner and will leave the panel in a better position than when he got it. He put his hand up for the job when all the big names saw a rebuild was on the cards and didn't want to ruin their reputations and that alone is commendable.

XmanMonaghan1 (Monaghan) - Posts: 8 - 07/02/2023 09:54:00    2456943

FootblockREF (Monaghan) - Posts: 563 - 07/02/2023 10:27:41    2456946

Jjoniel79 (Monaghan) - Posts: 143 - 07/02/2023 11:25:04    2456966

a lot of credit for bannigan and o'hanlon and rightly so. i thought ward was very good too. mccarthty was decent.
some lads arent at this standard and maybe some need a bit of time on the bench to get hunger back

a game of two halves again - i don't think we were ever going to win it but the scoreline possibly flattered kerry a bit. 3 goals shouldn't be leaked like that. Vinny said after the game its not panic stations yet and I'm with him on that.

they won by 5 scores. O'Hanlon nearly got a goal that might've helped the bad look of the score line

we leaked a few goals in the mckenna cup campaign too and armagh got one last week that they shouldn't have.

we had a few sloppy passes in the final third, particularly towards the end but that's likely fitness and inexperience creeping in which is to be expected

elephant in the room - kerry wasnt at full strength...but their players are almost guaranteed to be playing and winning an all ireland later on in the year so squad players are desperate to prove themselves at the highest level...also they needed a reaction after last week in donegal

MalsBalls (Monaghan) - Posts: 180 - 07/02/2023 16:05:10    2457098

McGuirk1985@ (Monaghan) - Posts: 71 - 07/02/2023 18:03:09    2457127