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Replying To monaghanman99: "What way was the sub goalie strange exactly?" Kirk was the sub keeper nothing strange there.. no.17 was a strange 1 given that the man also plays B football for his club…
mick2007 (Monaghan) - Posts: 449 - 17/05/2022 18:09:23
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Replying To moodoo: "Problem is we're not actually leaking hundreds of thousands, the whole thing is pretty much being covered. Hence zero chance of the management being ousted. Who cares if the team is underperforming, the coffers are full." The county board aren't leaking 1000s directly so to speak but I would question the legitimacy and also morally of where it's coming from to pay the outside men..
mick2007 (Monaghan) - Posts: 449 - 17/05/2022 18:11:33
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Replying To moodoo: "Problem is we're not actually leaking hundreds of thousands, the whole thing is pretty much being covered. Hence zero chance of the management being ousted. Who cares if the team is underperforming, the coffers are full." Then it's worse, We and the players are being held ransom by Banty!
Blueblood4life (Monaghan) - Posts: 200 - 17/05/2022 19:41:35
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Banty will be there as long as he wants to be whether fans like it or not. You'd hope he'd get a decent coach under him to compensate for his failings. Wouldn't be too confident in buckley or sheedy buckley was part of a proposed kerry set up which got rejected and sheedy just seems to be there for a BS gig. Think if we get mayo tyrone or armagh we are goosed. Banty eats sleeps and breathes monaghan football and to give him his due has done a lot for the county set up but he is completely out of his depth managing a div 1 side in the championship.
seanie08 (Monaghan) - Posts: 1798 - 17/05/2022 20:22:47
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Replying To mick2007: "Kirk was the sub keeper nothing strange there.. no.17 was a strange 1 given that the man also plays B football for his club…" I stand corrected , apologies.. things are still blurry from Sunday ..
stoneygrey (Monaghan) - Posts: 213 - 18/05/2022 10:16:45
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Replying To seanie08: "Banty will be there as long as he wants to be whether fans like it or not. You'd hope he'd get a decent coach under him to compensate for his failings. Wouldn't be too confident in buckley or sheedy buckley was part of a proposed kerry set up which got rejected and sheedy just seems to be there for a BS gig. Think if we get mayo tyrone or armagh we are goosed. Banty eats sleeps and breathes monaghan football and to give him his due has done a lot for the county set up but he is completely out of his depth managing a div 1 side in the championship." Do clubs not have a say in Monaghan?
Eddie the Exile (Monaghan) - Posts: 1055 - 18/05/2022 11:08:19
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Replying To mick2007: "The county board aren't leaking 1000s directly so to speak but I would question the legitimacy and also morally of where it's coming from to pay the outside men.." You've hit the nail on the head there.
moodoo (Monaghan) - Posts: 441 - 18/05/2022 11:12:26
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By far this has been the must successful era of Monaghan football since 2013, I fear the next 10 years will be a struggle given the players that are finishing up soon, the U20 team looked no were near ready for senior football any time soon.
Where do Monaghan go from here?
What is the best bet, a QF at least?
Very frustrating, there is a decent crop of players in that team but they have not clicked enough in championship in recent times, management of course have to be questioned but it is very frustrating from a supporters point of view, I at least thought an Ulster title was in their reach given there experience.
Is this team and some players just suited to league football?
Why have the team continued to wilt in championship football in recent times?
222 (UK) - Posts: 691 - 18/05/2022 12:08:13
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I can't fault the effort of most of the players, I though Kearns was particularly outstanding and his physical presence put a big dent in Derry's dominance. But I got the feeling after about 5 or 10 minutes that the team and everyone else sort of knew what was coming and once the first goal went in they were in serious trouble. They looked underprepared to me.
First, Monaghan didn't show anything new in terms of approach or tactics at all. Any team could set themselves up to cause Monaghan problems. And they looked like they hadn't prepared to counter Derry's approach. They are too easy to figure out and neutralise.
I was directly in line for Derry's first goal and you could see that once the Derry man was let go, a goal was on the cards. A player who shouldn't have been playing was responsible for the goal.
Other selection issues:
Why is Bannigan not centreforward where he can be involved in the playmaking and use his speed to create space. Only Darren Hughes seemed to understand that unless the ball is sent in quickly, then you need to beat your man to make some space. He did it a couple of times in the first half and got a point and a free which lead to a point.
Mohan and Kieran Hughes could have been switched a few times when Mohan wasn't getting a lot of joy at full forward.
The team selection was unbalanced and vulnerable at the back, they looked a lot poorer than they are. You could say that Monaghan had 9 forwards on the team given that the whole halfback line have played in attack before. That leaves 2 midfielders and only 3 proper defenders. No wonder the goals went in.
It should be obvious but why, when you need a goal, is your best goalscorer playing halfback?
It's this endless tripping yourself up that is the root cause of the problems Monaghan face.
For the next day the team need to be freshened up. The injuries, especially to Lavelle, are unfortunate but there is still scope for progress. At a bare minimum, I would start Jones, and either Leonard or Mohan at midfield. Bannigan at centreforward. Hughes at centreback. McCarthy in forward line, and play 6/7 defenders and not start 9 forwards. If some established players have to start on the bench then that's the way it has to be.
With the midfield Monaghan have (or could have) they can dominate teams. It's just a pity that the other parts aren't working.
I worry that a bit of belief in the approach is gone now, and that's a bigger worry than injuries or age profile. Once that goes it's the end. I always like to look for how Monaghan can win a game, rather than worry about their shortcomings because one good performance can turn a team around. There is no perfect team out there, every team has weaknesses. But I feel that the team and tactics are unbalanced and they are now struggling. After the beating against Tyrone in 2010 the next day out against Kildare they lifted it for the first 20 minutes but then fell back and were well beaten. There were plenty of good players on that team but they couldn't progress. This under the current manager. It took 2 more years before a good manager came in and started Monaghan on their current road. I'm hoping this doesn't happen again. There is still plenty of talent in the panel but the loss of Mulligan instead of progressing on is a worrying factor.
PolicemanFox (Monaghan) - Posts: 158 - 18/05/2022 13:20:43
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Replying To PolicemanFox: "I can't fault the effort of most of the players, I though Kearns was particularly outstanding and his physical presence put a big dent in Derry's dominance. But I got the feeling after about 5 or 10 minutes that the team and everyone else sort of knew what was coming and once the first goal went in they were in serious trouble. They looked underprepared to me.
First, Monaghan didn't show anything new in terms of approach or tactics at all. Any team could set themselves up to cause Monaghan problems. And they looked like they hadn't prepared to counter Derry's approach. They are too easy to figure out and neutralise.
I was directly in line for Derry's first goal and you could see that once the Derry man was let go, a goal was on the cards. A player who shouldn't have been playing was responsible for the goal.
Other selection issues:
Why is Bannigan not centreforward where he can be involved in the playmaking and use his speed to create space. Only Darren Hughes seemed to understand that unless the ball is sent in quickly, then you need to beat your man to make some space. He did it a couple of times in the first half and got a point and a free which lead to a point.
Mohan and Kieran Hughes could have been switched a few times when Mohan wasn't getting a lot of joy at full forward.
The team selection was unbalanced and vulnerable at the back, they looked a lot poorer than they are. You could say that Monaghan had 9 forwards on the team given that the whole halfback line have played in attack before. That leaves 2 midfielders and only 3 proper defenders. No wonder the goals went in.
It should be obvious but why, when you need a goal, is your best goalscorer playing halfback?
It's this endless tripping yourself up that is the root cause of the problems Monaghan face.
For the next day the team need to be freshened up. The injuries, especially to Lavelle, are unfortunate but there is still scope for progress. At a bare minimum, I would start Jones, and either Leonard or Mohan at midfield. Bannigan at centreforward. Hughes at centreback. McCarthy in forward line, and play 6/7 defenders and not start 9 forwards. If some established players have to start on the bench then that's the way it has to be.
With the midfield Monaghan have (or could have) they can dominate teams. It's just a pity that the other parts aren't working.
I worry that a bit of belief in the approach is gone now, and that's a bigger worry than injuries or age profile. Once that goes it's the end. I always like to look for how Monaghan can win a game, rather than worry about their shortcomings because one good performance can turn a team around. There is no perfect team out there, every team has weaknesses. But I feel that the team and tactics are unbalanced and they are now struggling. After the beating against Tyrone in 2010 the next day out against Kildare they lifted it for the first 20 minutes but then fell back and were well beaten. There were plenty of good players on that team but they couldn't progress. This under the current manager. It took 2 more years before a good manager came in and started Monaghan on their current road. I'm hoping this doesn't happen again. There is still plenty of talent in the panel but the loss of Mulligan instead of progressing on is a worrying factor." In 2013 it was same as derry now but unfortunately we dont have enough dogs in our backline anymore its all very nice whenever opposition comes at us and also the D is not been protected enough 40 to 60 per cent of scores comes from here in every match, there are bodies back but there doing frig all
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Replying To PolicemanFox: "I can't fault the effort of most of the players, I though Kearns was particularly outstanding and his physical presence put a big dent in Derry's dominance. But I got the feeling after about 5 or 10 minutes that the team and everyone else sort of knew what was coming and once the first goal went in they were in serious trouble. They looked underprepared to me.
First, Monaghan didn't show anything new in terms of approach or tactics at all. Any team could set themselves up to cause Monaghan problems. And they looked like they hadn't prepared to counter Derry's approach. They are too easy to figure out and neutralise.
I was directly in line for Derry's first goal and you could see that once the Derry man was let go, a goal was on the cards. A player who shouldn't have been playing was responsible for the goal.
Other selection issues:
Why is Bannigan not centreforward where he can be involved in the playmaking and use his speed to create space. Only Darren Hughes seemed to understand that unless the ball is sent in quickly, then you need to beat your man to make some space. He did it a couple of times in the first half and got a point and a free which lead to a point.
Mohan and Kieran Hughes could have been switched a few times when Mohan wasn't getting a lot of joy at full forward.
The team selection was unbalanced and vulnerable at the back, they looked a lot poorer than they are. You could say that Monaghan had 9 forwards on the team given that the whole halfback line have played in attack before. That leaves 2 midfielders and only 3 proper defenders. No wonder the goals went in.
It should be obvious but why, when you need a goal, is your best goalscorer playing halfback?
It's this endless tripping yourself up that is the root cause of the problems Monaghan face.
For the next day the team need to be freshened up. The injuries, especially to Lavelle, are unfortunate but there is still scope for progress. At a bare minimum, I would start Jones, and either Leonard or Mohan at midfield. Bannigan at centreforward. Hughes at centreback. McCarthy in forward line, and play 6/7 defenders and not start 9 forwards. If some established players have to start on the bench then that's the way it has to be.
With the midfield Monaghan have (or could have) they can dominate teams. It's just a pity that the other parts aren't working.
I worry that a bit of belief in the approach is gone now, and that's a bigger worry than injuries or age profile. Once that goes it's the end. I always like to look for how Monaghan can win a game, rather than worry about their shortcomings because one good performance can turn a team around. There is no perfect team out there, every team has weaknesses. But I feel that the team and tactics are unbalanced and they are now struggling. After the beating against Tyrone in 2010 the next day out against Kildare they lifted it for the first 20 minutes but then fell back and were well beaten. There were plenty of good players on that team but they couldn't progress. This under the current manager. It took 2 more years before a good manager came in and started Monaghan on their current road. I'm hoping this doesn't happen again. There is still plenty of talent in the panel but the loss of Mulligan instead of progressing on is a worrying factor." He has been 3 years in the job now. Sunday's starting 15 contained ONE player that hadn't played under Machy O'Rourke. Trying to ride on the backs of a team that gave so much under Malachy. Never introduced new blood during his term there. Need our 2010 Co. Chairman PC back with the guts that he had to take a stand on Banty. Led directly to two Ulster titles.
seamusorinn (USA) - Posts: 295 - 19/05/2022 12:16:02
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Monaghan are now the 6th best team in Ulster.
Eddie the Exile (Monaghan) - Posts: 1055 - 19/05/2022 17:49:57
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Replying To Eddie the Exile: "Monaghan are now the 6th best team in Ulster." Jaysus. Kick in the guts there. But hard to argue with it.
How does a team with the quality of players we have, end up there?
If a job of a manager is to make a team more than the sum of it's individual parts, it's pretty clear we are significantly less than the sum of our parts.
moodoo (Monaghan) - Posts: 441 - 20/05/2022 11:26:52
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Replying To Tim_NicebutDim: "I know we probably cannot name the player in question, but in what way was the hurler ineligible to play for monaghan leading to the points being docked??" Too young. Aged 17. You cannot play senior intercounty until you are 18. Massive F up by the county board.
MrPBoylan (Monaghan) - Posts: 108 - 20/05/2022 11:44:51
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Replying To MrPBoylan: "Too young. Aged 17. You cannot play senior intercounty until you are 18. Massive F up by the county board." You can't play if 18 birthday is in the calendar year.
FoolsGold (Cavan) - Posts: 2763 - 20/05/2022 11:58:44
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Replying To prideof85: "In 2013 it was same as derry now but unfortunately we dont have enough dogs in our backline anymore its all very nice whenever opposition comes at us and also the D is not been protected enough 40 to 60 per cent of scores comes from here in every match, there are bodies back but there doing frig all" We play with just three or four proper defenders few years ago was 7. Now wide open at back most teams would love a crack at us in the qualifiers.
seanie08 (Monaghan) - Posts: 1798 - 20/05/2022 20:01:10
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Watched ye in the Mc Kenna cup final vs our reserve team and was worried for you. We sprung 4 starters from the bench and the game was back in the melting pot. Banty hugging his management team after the final whistle said it all. A once solid side, seems to be no more. Sad to see.
TheRock2121 (Donegal) - Posts: 1135 - 21/05/2022 11:13:33
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Any draw will be potentially tricky at this stage. Bad bad season so far, I just get my head around the obsession with the league, I think it has hurt monaghan massively this past few years.
222 (UK) - Posts: 691 - 22/05/2022 12:38:04
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Replying To 222: "Any draw will be potentially tricky at this stage. Bad bad season so far, I just get my head around the obsession with the league, I think it has hurt monaghan massively this past few years." Wouldn't be confident unless we manage to get a handle on why we are now so open at the back and drift in and out of games. Hope we get louth or meath away mainly because I live in Meath. Mayo be good in Clones as total do or die massive underdogs which might spark a performance. Cork for the novelty factor. Howver the realist in me thinks be tyrone or armagh and that will be that.
seanie08 (Monaghan) - Posts: 1798 - 22/05/2022 20:41:07
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Mayo away isn't the worst draw. Didn't want Armagh or Tyrone, sick of the sight of them. We need a bring a huge support and the management need to learn from the Derry game. No point having Dessie Ward, one of our most creative players assigned to another marking role that other players are more suited too. We lost last year's Ulster Final and the Derry game because of this (among other reasons). Using Dessie in this way is what the opposition wants.
We're going to need a far better showing from the FF line.
I think Castlebar will suit us and Mayo don't have a great record there.
Hon da Farney!
FootblockREF (Monaghan) - Posts: 563 - 23/05/2022 11:42:57
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