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Replying To Claretandblue:  "The real Westmeath supporters could be accommodated on no more than 2 buses based on last Saturday, official attendance of 10,800, we had no more than 100 supporters and vast majority were County board officers and family members of playing panel. Contrast that with anytime Armagh play here and they usually bring 4-5,000, our support base is prob the worst in Leinster in both codes. Players performance on Saturday was excellent with special mention to Sam Duncan, Sam McC, Ronan O' Toole, Andy McCormack and Ray Connellan but similar finish as in Newry, Ederney and Navan, sides level with 5-6 mins remaining and yet we lost again, surely management are working on this scenario as four times in succession in crucial matches is a significant trend. Are we too naive? Other teams manufacture fake injuries at key times, Lorcan Dolan's place on the panel is worthless as he's never given any gain time, strange based on form and scoring record in big games, Daniel Scahill likewise after a fine league."
Scahill worth to the panel will be seen over the next decade, he is 18/19, got great experience in the league. I was dissapointed with him in the 20s campaign and maybe that knocked his confidence a little bit. I dont think he is at Bakers level and he for example found the going very tough in the athletic ground. I would like to see him have a good club senior club championship before he's made an automatic part of this team by posters here.Dolan on the other hand has proven he has it at this level and i cant understand lack of game time. The same with c.mccormack.

ear2ground (Westmeath) - Posts: 117 - 29/05/2023 18:19:59    2482710

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Why was Lynam brought on for Baker 2nd half and then subbed late on in game ? Was he injured ? If he wasn't that's fairly rough on the player, drain the confidence surely...

philbrown (Westmeath) - Posts: 236 - 29/05/2023 21:07:49    2482748

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Replying To Claretandblue:  "The real Westmeath supporters could be accommodated on no more than 2 buses based on last Saturday, official attendance of 10,800, we had no more than 100 supporters and vast majority were County board officers and family members of playing panel. Contrast that with anytime Armagh play here and they usually bring 4-5,000, our support base is prob the worst in Leinster in both codes. Players performance on Saturday was excellent with special mention to Sam Duncan, Sam McC, Ronan O' Toole, Andy McCormack and Ray Connellan but similar finish as in Newry, Ederney and Navan, sides level with 5-6 mins remaining and yet we lost again, surely management are working on this scenario as four times in succession in crucial matches is a significant trend. Are we too naive? Other teams manufacture fake injuries at key times, Lorcan Dolan's place on the panel is worthless as he's never given any gain time, strange based on form and scoring record in big games, Daniel Scahill likewise after a fine league."
great assesment claret and blue

mickcunningham (Westmeath) - Posts: 1879 - 30/05/2023 07:43:33    2482773

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Replying To philbrown:  "Why was Lynam brought on for Baker 2nd half and then subbed late on in game ? Was he injured ? If he wasn't that's fairly rough on the player, drain the confidence surely..."
He was very poor when he came on, gave away multiple balls..

dec (None) - Posts: 287 - 30/05/2023 12:35:21    2482852

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Replying To Claretandblue:  "The real Westmeath supporters could be accommodated on no more than 2 buses based on last Saturday, official attendance of 10,800, we had no more than 100 supporters and vast majority were County board officers and family members of playing panel. Contrast that with anytime Armagh play here and they usually bring 4-5,000, our support base is prob the worst in Leinster in both codes. Players performance on Saturday was excellent with special mention to Sam Duncan, Sam McC, Ronan O' Toole, Andy McCormack and Ray Connellan but similar finish as in Newry, Ederney and Navan, sides level with 5-6 mins remaining and yet we lost again, surely management are working on this scenario as four times in succession in crucial matches is a significant trend. Are we too naive? Other teams manufacture fake injuries at key times, Lorcan Dolan's place on the panel is worthless as he's never given any gain time, strange based on form and scoring record in big games, Daniel Scahill likewise after a fine league."
I think the Armagh fans travel with the expectation of winning anytime they play us, normally we would take a beating from Armagh, we had an excellent performance on Saturday which was unexpected. But people don't have the money to travel to Armagh to witness in all likelihood a hammering..

dec (None) - Posts: 287 - 30/05/2023 12:37:20    2482853

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Replying To ear2ground:  "Scahill worth to the panel will be seen over the next decade, he is 18/19, got great experience in the league. I was dissapointed with him in the 20s campaign and maybe that knocked his confidence a little bit. I dont think he is at Bakers level and he for example found the going very tough in the athletic ground. I would like to see him have a good club senior club championship before he's made an automatic part of this team by posters here.Dolan on the other hand has proven he has it at this level and i cant understand lack of game time. The same with c.mccormack."
Agree on all points, exactly the points i tried to make. The experience gained this year is a stepping stone for both , both did not stand out in the last two 20's games as senior county players ,they are only starting out on that road ,but this year will stand to them going forward no end.

Thechick (Westmeath) - Posts: 250 - 30/05/2023 14:48:59    2482925

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The money to travel to Armagh? It's a two hour road trip, not Sydney. We're not living in a third world country, living costs have increased but not to that extent. We always have excuses, wouldn't like to see it if we had multiple outings each year like Mayo in Croke Park.

Claretandblue (Westmeath) - Posts: 1961 - 30/05/2023 15:26:07    2482944

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I'd say this Saturdays game could have a very small attendance. Galway people don't tend to leave home on hot bank holiday weekends, and the more floating fan has a trip to Croker for the Leinster final the week after.

Game is also on just after the FA Cup final. With no tv constraints (because they're not showing it anywhere), a Sunday afternoon slot probably would've made more sense.

Any recommendations for somewhere in Mullingar to watch the cup final beforehand?

PressureKick (UK) - Posts: 241 - 30/05/2023 15:55:28    2482953

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Replying To PressureKick:  "I'd say this Saturdays game could have a very small attendance. Galway people don't tend to leave home on hot bank holiday weekends, and the more floating fan has a trip to Croker for the Leinster final the week after.

Game is also on just after the FA Cup final. With no tv constraints (because they're not showing it anywhere), a Sunday afternoon slot probably would've made more sense.

Any recommendations for somewhere in Mullingar to watch the cup final beforehand?"
Chambers. Good sports bar

CasKD (Westmeath) - Posts: 38 - 31/05/2023 08:19:35    2483061

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Replying To Claretandblue:  "The real Westmeath supporters could be accommodated on no more than 2 buses based on last Saturday, official attendance of 10,800, we had no more than 100 supporters and vast majority were County board officers and family members of playing panel. Contrast that with anytime Armagh play here and they usually bring 4-5,000, our support base is prob the worst in Leinster in both codes. Players performance on Saturday was excellent with special mention to Sam Duncan, Sam McC, Ronan O' Toole, Andy McCormack and Ray Connellan but similar finish as in Newry, Ederney and Navan, sides level with 5-6 mins remaining and yet we lost again, surely management are working on this scenario as four times in succession in crucial matches is a significant trend. Are we too naive? Other teams manufacture fake injuries at key times, Lorcan Dolan's place on the panel is worthless as he's never given any gain time, strange based on form and scoring record in big games, Daniel Scahill likewise after a fine league."
A very sound synopsis of Saturdays game and the year so far Claretandblue. The amount of games we have let go from commanding positions is so poor. Our lack of game management shone through on Saturday; as it did in previous games during the league and especially against Louth.

Feel Saturday's result; although we came away with nothing could be a watershed moment. We went toe to toe with Armagh; probably the 6/7th best team in the country on current form. It was a game of fine margins. Felt sorry for Senan Baker; who couldn't get into the game and gave away some popes frees (as did the very experienced John Hemline) that kept Armagh in the game. And his replacement Johnathan Lynam was very unfortunate in being taken off again (a decision I respect and admire by Dessie. Lynam gave away the ball 4/5 times in ad many possessions which is criminal. He'll learn from the experience which can only benefit him and the squad. The lads should take a lot from the performance and reflect that they were so close. Use it as a positive against Galway and Tyrone to go out and go toe to toe with two heavyweights and see where we end up. No one is expecting miracles.

The Armagh fans love their football just like a lot of Westmeath fans do. Disappointing that so few Westmeath supporters attended the game. No doubt a lot thought it was a wasted journey. That should not matter though. Support your county no matter what. The lads done us proud last year being the first team to win the Tailteann Cup. Yes we have had a disappointing league and lost games we were in control of. That doesn't mean you don't go and support them.

I saw Shane Curran on Twitter regards the All Stars being more fair and saying Kevin Maguire should get one. If Kevin Maguire, John Heslin & Ronan O'Toole were plying their trade in Dublin, Galway etc, I have no doubt they'd have an all star by now; or at least close to getting one this year.

One last point. Westmeath have an excellent club structure. They have a lot of clubs doing Trojan work. We could cry wolf and say…"sure there no point Dublin will win it." - "sure why bother when we're nowhere near Dublin."

There's people in some of our clubs who actually work for Dublin GAA who care about Westmeath football and who have contributed to Westmeath coaching courses.

I don't know if Jack Cooney is still involved in Westmeath Coaching with his new role and being heavily involved with his club; but getting the likes of Jack Cooney & young Mooney with Caulry involved in putting together a plan with Magee would hugely benefit Westmeath in the long term

Mountlin (Westmeath) - Posts: 59 - 31/05/2023 09:37:00    2483069

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Replying To PressureKick:  "I'd say this Saturdays game could have a very small attendance. Galway people don't tend to leave home on hot bank holiday weekends, and the more floating fan has a trip to Croker for the Leinster final the week after.

Game is also on just after the FA Cup final. With no tv constraints (because they're not showing it anywhere), a Sunday afternoon slot probably would've made more sense.

Any recommendations for somewhere in Mullingar to watch the cup final beforehand?"
Well done on the performance to the players and management up in Armagh. You made Armagh look v ordinary.
I think the plan for seeing out games does need to improve. Also, the subs bench had zero impact. Jim Gavin spoke about 'finishing team'... we need to improve on that when we are ahead in games.

Most people spoken to are going to the game and going for a few after (...or are bringing the kids).
A sunny Saturday evening 'in the park' V genuine All Ireland contenders. It doesn't get much better than that!!!
I think Cusack Park will be packed out...

Get your tickets early ... and lets get behind WH

Laker1500 (Westmeath) - Posts: 20 - 31/05/2023 10:28:23    2483087

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Replying To PressureKick:  "I'd say this Saturdays game could have a very small attendance. Galway people don't tend to leave home on hot bank holiday weekends, and the more floating fan has a trip to Croker for the Leinster final the week after.

Game is also on just after the FA Cup final. With no tv constraints (because they're not showing it anywhere), a Sunday afternoon slot probably would've made more sense.

Any recommendations for somewhere in Mullingar to watch the cup final beforehand?"
Kerrigans or Gillerans, both a 2 minute walk from Cusack, Gillerans also do decent food and usually has a good pint if you're having one.

stonemadbeany (USA) - Posts: 596 - 31/05/2023 11:51:34    2483127

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Replying To Claretandblue:  "The money to travel to Armagh? It's a two hour road trip, not Sydney. We're not living in a third world country, living costs have increased but not to that extent. We always have excuses, wouldn't like to see it if we had multiple outings each year like Mayo in Croke Park."
2.5 hours from Athlone, so a 5 hour round trip, plus leaving early to account for traffic and finding parking, stopping for food etc talking close to 8 hours. Now for a family like myself with 2 adults and 3 children (one of whom is autistic and one diabetic/coeliac) it's €65 on tickets, we have a people carrier which is heavy enough on juice so €40-50 on fuel plus another €60-70 on food if we pull in somewhere. You are close to €200. I will make no apologies for putting my financial well being or my families well being before a GAA match. Clearly you haven't the same issues some people in the county have. I spent 20+ years driving the length and breath of this country following Westmeath footballers and hurlers. But I am at an age where I realize that there is more to life than stressing over trying to get to matches.

In an earlier post you made a reference to "Real Westmeath supporters" can you please define what a "Real Westmeath" supporter is please?

The_Fonz (Westmeath) - Posts: 214 - 02/06/2023 14:12:23    2483587

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Team named with one change, Wallace for Baker. Best of luck lads!

1. Jason Daly

2. Jack Smith

3. Kevin Maguire

4. James Dolan

5. Jamie Gonoud

6. Ronan Wallace

7. Andy McCormack

8. Sam Duncan

9. Ray Connellan

10. Sam McCartan

11. Ronan O'Toole

12. David Lynch

13. Luke Loughlin

14. John Heslin

15. Stephen Smith

Subs: Trevor Martin, Lorcan Dolan, Kieran Martin, Eoin Mulvihill, Conor Dillon, Senan Baker, Jonathan Lynam, David Giles, Robbie Forde, Shane Dempsey, Conor McCormack

TheLineKing (Westmeath) - Posts: 25 - 02/06/2023 15:39:26    2483613

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Another decent performance for 55 mins, sending off finished the game but at that stage Galway had turned the screw and looked likelier to win. We needed a goal in second half but never looked likely. Sam McCartan was excellent and losing Sam Duncan early on was a blow although Jonathan Lynam did well. Galway's bench was also crucial.

Claretandblue (Westmeath) - Posts: 1961 - 03/06/2023 20:14:14    2483809

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Should have tried to limit the score difference because if you beat Tyrone you could still end up 4th.

Parkman (Westmeath) - Posts: 2 - 04/06/2023 01:23:03    2483859

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It's just brilliant that westmeath are so competitive at the level, another fine performance where galway were rattled but finished stronger. Dessie and his management team deserve great credit, getting tactics and match ups so good against armagh and galway

Upforthegame23 (Westmeath) - Posts: 115 - 04/06/2023 11:40:00    2483882

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If only games lasted 45-50 mins!!-once again very good first half albeit against a very lacklustre Galway outfit but Westmeath didnt let them settle and were well deserving to be ahead at half time and into the second half but once Galway upped their game we couldnt cope-sending off didnt help matters and personally thought the ref gave Galway every decision-standard of refs/linesmen/persons in GAA is puke-.When Connellan was gone Peter Cooke ran the show from midfield and Comer coming on really sealed it for Galway.Once again our bench coming on had zero impact-anyways on to Tryone in 2 weeks where honestly I fear we wont match their physical impact on games but theres always hope !!

Bruno@1 (Westmeath) - Posts: 215 - 04/06/2023 11:58:27    2483889

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Great performance again yesterday for about 50 mins. Red card was the turning point. Very harsh in my opinion.

Some great performances again. Luke Loughlin was at his very best. We probably left a few scores behind us in the 1st half.

Jack Smith is our best 1v1 defender and the last two games after he has gone off we have looked weak in the full back line. We are about 3/4 players away from really competing at this level. There was some difference in the subs they brought on compare to the subs we brought on.

Thought Kevin Maguire and James Dolan were brilliant yesterday. If two weeks time is the last time they play for the county they deserve one hell of a send off. Legends of Westmeath GAA.

Hopefully Dessie and the Management team stay around for next year. Main aim should be getting out if division 3.

Temple56 (Westmeath) - Posts: 520 - 04/06/2023 12:42:19    2483895

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So disappointed for our lads yesterday
Matched Galway all the way for 50mins. 11 points apiece and we should've got a free to put us one up when Senan Baker was fouled. Instead of going a point up we end up going one down with Ray getting a second yellow.

Galway running their bench and finishing the game strong as they probably would've done anyway.

Well done to the lads for another excellent performance. So many positives to take into two weeks time against Tyrone and with nothing expected of the lads hopefully they'll put in another performance and come away with something from the game

Mountlin (Westmeath) - Posts: 59 - 04/06/2023 14:13:07    2483907

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