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Played badly and drew the game. Pretty good outcome. A few second choice lads had off day but showed good heart to come back.

BarneyGrant (Dublin) - Posts: 2721 - 31/03/2024 23:17:02    2534912

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Replying To BarneyGrant:  "Played badly and drew the game. Pretty good outcome. A few second choice lads had off day but showed good heart to come back."
You must not have been the match Barney if that is the best you can come up with. Very disrespectful to the fantastic display by Derry team but also to Dublin's so called "second choice players". It was the best team that Dublin could field on the day. As per many of your many previous posts, you see what you what to see and hear what you want to hear. In fairness to many other Dublin posters (Jimbodub, Realdub, Fionn, MesAmis ctowers etc) they gave credit to the better team on the day; DERRY.

I think that some of the "second choice players" played ok and that it was some of the senior players that did not play well. Brian Fenton was completely out played by Conor Glass and Brenden Rogers at mid-field. I actually think that young McGinnis had a much better match than Fenton and I expect to see him in the championship team. Not sure why he was the one taken off. Cian Murphy and Sean MacMahon playing in the full back line scored 3 points between them while Ciaran Kilkenny and Niall Scully total was only 0-1. Where was John Small when Eoin McEvoy came thundering through the middle to score 2-2 from center half back. The fact of the matter was that Derry were clearly the best team on the day but that Dublin deserve great credit for coming back from the dead on several occasions.

Your recommendation that "Dublin 1/2 to beat Derry on Sunday is also a great bet" did not go to plan either. Was it really a "Pretty good outcome"?

letsgetgoing (Roscommon) - Posts: 543 - 01/04/2024 10:47:24    2534947

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In the context of our long term goal this year, retaining Sam, that result will do us more good than harm. The league run from game three was masking some of our weaknesses. Our distribution from kick-outs when under a high press, our lack of win rate under a high ball at midfield when the opposition has an overload and our struggles down the middle against speedy straight runners. Derry were the better team on the day so we can have no complaints. We showed fantastic character to come back from the dead twice. We've some big players to come back in, Clucko, Fitzy, James, Jack, Costello, Mannion starting. We'll be a different prospect in the Summer and this gives us lots to work on. Time to get the head down and sort the problems. Well done Derry, great win.

Joxer (Dublin) - Posts: 4704 - 02/04/2024 16:42:45    2535225

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Replying To Joxer:  "In the context of our long term goal this year, retaining Sam, that result will do us more good than harm. The league run from game three was masking some of our weaknesses. Our distribution from kick-outs when under a high press, our lack of win rate under a high ball at midfield when the opposition has an overload and our struggles down the middle against speedy straight runners. Derry were the better team on the day so we can have no complaints. We showed fantastic character to come back from the dead twice. We've some big players to come back in, Clucko, Fitzy, James, Jack, Costello, Mannion starting. We'll be a different prospect in the Summer and this gives us lots to work on. Time to get the head down and sort the problems. Well done Derry, great win."
Good honest, complimentary and realistic post Joxer. Any team that limited the COMBINED score of Con O Callaghan + Ciaran Kilkenny + Niall Scully + Paul Mannion + Brian Fenton to only one point from play over 90+ minutes, deserves huge credit. (Hard to believe but true!)
You did that.
Both teams deserve great credit. The fitness of both teams before the championship even starts was unreal and they produced a fantastic game.

letsgetgoing (Roscommon) - Posts: 543 - 02/04/2024 17:14:04    2535230

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Replying To letsgetgoing:  "You must not have been the match Barney if that is the best you can come up with. Very disrespectful to the fantastic display by Derry team but also to Dublin's so called "second choice players". It was the best team that Dublin could field on the day. As per many of your many previous posts, you see what you what to see and hear what you want to hear. In fairness to many other Dublin posters (Jimbodub, Realdub, Fionn, MesAmis ctowers etc) they gave credit to the better team on the day; DERRY.

I think that some of the "second choice players" played ok and that it was some of the senior players that did not play well. Brian Fenton was completely out played by Conor Glass and Brenden Rogers at mid-field. I actually think that young McGinnis had a much better match than Fenton and I expect to see him in the championship team. Not sure why he was the one taken off. Cian Murphy and Sean MacMahon playing in the full back line scored 3 points between them while Ciaran Kilkenny and Niall Scully total was only 0-1. Where was John Small when Eoin McEvoy came thundering through the middle to score 2-2 from center half back. The fact of the matter was that Derry were clearly the best team on the day but that Dublin deserve great credit for coming back from the dead on several occasions.

Your recommendation that "Dublin 1/2 to beat Derry on Sunday is also a great bet" did not go to plan either. Was it really a "Pretty good outcome"?"
Best outcome would have been a Dublin victory.

Relatively speaking, a draw was a "pretty good outcome."

Losing would have been a poor outcome.

BarneyGrant (Dublin) - Posts: 2721 - 02/04/2024 19:26:58    2535248

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Dublin lost the league final in 2011 to Cork, no one remembers the league final Champions from 2011, but every one knows who won the Sam McGuire that year.

St.Mologga (Cork) - Posts: 111 - 02/04/2024 20:29:02    2535253

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Replying To letsgetgoing:  "You must not have been the match Barney if that is the best you can come up with. Very disrespectful to the fantastic display by Derry team but also to Dublin's so called "second choice players". It was the best team that Dublin could field on the day. As per many of your many previous posts, you see what you what to see and hear what you want to hear. In fairness to many other Dublin posters (Jimbodub, Realdub, Fionn, MesAmis ctowers etc) they gave credit to the better team on the day; DERRY.

I think that some of the "second choice players" played ok and that it was some of the senior players that did not play well. Brian Fenton was completely out played by Conor Glass and Brenden Rogers at mid-field. I actually think that young McGinnis had a much better match than Fenton and I expect to see him in the championship team. Not sure why he was the one taken off. Cian Murphy and Sean MacMahon playing in the full back line scored 3 points between them while Ciaran Kilkenny and Niall Scully total was only 0-1. Where was John Small when Eoin McEvoy came thundering through the middle to score 2-2 from center half back. The fact of the matter was that Derry were clearly the best team on the day but that Dublin deserve great credit for coming back from the dead on several occasions.

Your recommendation that "Dublin 1/2 to beat Derry on Sunday is also a great bet" did not go to plan either. Was it really a "Pretty good outcome"?"
Firstly best team won on the day, no doubt. And you say it was the best team Dublin could have fielded on the day? True but only because of Dessie's squad development policy which he will probably stick with for another couple of games. This year's championship team will then take shape. Who from Sunday will lose out, hard to say but Cluxton, Fitzsimmons, McCarthy, Gannon and Costello will almost certainly come in with Jack Mc on the bench.
Irrespective of who loses out it will be a considerably stronger team and squad.

sligo joe (Dublin) - Posts: 691 - 02/04/2024 21:00:35    2535260

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Replying To St.Mologga:  "Dublin lost the league final in 2011 to Cork, no one remembers the league final Champions from 2011, but every one knows who won the Sam McGuire that year."
You remembered it.

WanPintWin (Galway) - Posts: 2080 - 02/04/2024 23:15:56    2535294

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Replying To BarneyGrant:  "Played badly and drew the game. Pretty good outcome. A few second choice lads had off day but showed good heart to come back."
As was mentioned, I thought some of second-choice players were among Dublin's best on the day. A number of the more senior players didn't perform to their usual standards.
I've mentioned numerous times that Fenton is the greatest midfielder I've seen. He was off his game on Sunday. Lahiff actually had more of an impact at midfield.
Ciarán Kilkenny didn't influence the game as he normally would, and Con was also very well marshalled. Dublin were also very open down the middle of their defence. That's not all on John Small, but he was another who didn't have his best game.

WanPintWin (Galway) - Posts: 2080 - 02/04/2024 23:22:22    2535295

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Replying To letsgetgoing:  "You must not have been the match Barney if that is the best you can come up with. Very disrespectful to the fantastic display by Derry team but also to Dublin's so called "second choice players". It was the best team that Dublin could field on the day. As per many of your many previous posts, you see what you what to see and hear what you want to hear. In fairness to many other Dublin posters (Jimbodub, Realdub, Fionn, MesAmis ctowers etc) they gave credit to the better team on the day; DERRY.

I think that some of the "second choice players" played ok and that it was some of the senior players that did not play well. Brian Fenton was completely out played by Conor Glass and Brenden Rogers at mid-field. I actually think that young McGinnis had a much better match than Fenton and I expect to see him in the championship team. Not sure why he was the one taken off. Cian Murphy and Sean MacMahon playing in the full back line scored 3 points between them while Ciaran Kilkenny and Niall Scully total was only 0-1. Where was John Small when Eoin McEvoy came thundering through the middle to score 2-2 from center half back. The fact of the matter was that Derry were clearly the best team on the day but that Dublin deserve great credit for coming back from the dead on several occasions.

Your recommendation that "Dublin 1/2 to beat Derry on Sunday is also a great bet" did not go to plan either. Was it really a "Pretty good outcome"?"
Maybe mcginnis was taken off because his man scored 2-2 from play.

Overthebar53 (Carlow) - Posts: 215 - 03/04/2024 00:25:11    2535303

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Replying To BarneyGrant:  "Best outcome would have been a Dublin victory.

Relatively speaking, a draw was a "pretty good outcome."

Losing would have been a poor outcome."
The draw wasn't the outcome. It was the score after normal time amd extra time but the match was decided on penalties with one team winning and one team losing. . . i.e. a poor outcome for the losing side.

cavanman47 (Cavan) - Posts: 5033 - 03/04/2024 05:56:08    2535309

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Replying To Overthebar53:  "Maybe mcginnis was taken off because his man scored 2-2 from play."
Not true. Paul Mannion came on for Killian McGinnis after 52 minutes, well before extra time. Eoin McEvoy then went on to score 1-1 from play. Youn McGinnis actually scored from play while Paul Mannion did not. The so called "second choice lads" and subs (were they 3rd choice lads?) rescued Dublin last Sunday, let's be honest about it!. Ridiculous for Barney to call anyone who puts on a county jersey second choice lads. They were all first choice lads on the day.

letsgetgoing (Roscommon) - Posts: 543 - 03/04/2024 09:07:32    2535323

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Replying To WanPintWin:  "You remembered it."
You spot on, on that Spring day the future looked Rebel Red.

St.Mologga (Cork) - Posts: 111 - 03/04/2024 10:25:31    2535338

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Replying To letsgetgoing:  "Not true. Paul Mannion came on for Killian McGinnis after 52 minutes, well before extra time. Eoin McEvoy then went on to score 1-1 from play. Youn McGinnis actually scored from play while Paul Mannion did not. The so called "second choice lads" and subs (were they 3rd choice lads?) rescued Dublin last Sunday, let's be honest about it!. Ridiculous for Barney to call anyone who puts on a county jersey second choice lads. They were all first choice lads on the day."
Of course they are all first choice "on the day" but it must also be accepted that 5 players will come into the Dublin squad for the All Ireland series, at least 4,into the first 15, so no matter who loses out from the squad on Sunday it will be a stronger outfit.

sligo joe (Dublin) - Posts: 691 - 03/04/2024 11:34:37    2535348

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Replying To cavanman47:  "The draw wasn't the outcome. It was the score after normal time amd extra time but the match was decided on penalties with one team winning and one team losing. . . i.e. a poor outcome for the losing side."
Yes, they lost the penalty shoot out. They did not lose the football match.

Obviously a coin toss or picking straws or kicking penalties is necessary to decide an impasse.

Otherwise the plan to end tge championship before the concert season would fall asunder.

We could not have that. You know.

BarneyGrant (Dublin) - Posts: 2721 - 03/04/2024 17:32:13    2535416

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Replying To sligo joe:  "Of course they are all first choice "on the day" but it must also be accepted that 5 players will come into the Dublin squad for the All Ireland series, at least 4,into the first 15, so no matter who loses out from the squad on Sunday it will be a stronger outfit."
Cian Murphy, Ross McGarry and Lahiff have really stepped this league campaign for Dublin you would imagine that they will be pushing hard for places on the championship team.
If Everyone fit Dublin 15 will be very hard to pick. Cluxton probably will retain his position in goals. I actually think O'Hanlon is better than Comerford and should have been starting in the league final.
McMahon and Murphy have been good in the league but you would imagine that Fitzsimons and Murchan both start which means that Murphy might get the other spot in the full back line.
Half Back line: John Small would be centre back, with probably Gannon and McCarthy as wing backs.
Midfield for me would be Fenton and Lahiff.
Half forward: would for me be Howard and Kilkenny wing forwards with Bugler at centre forward.
Then full forward line for me should be Small, O'Callaghan as I think that O'Callaghan links up better with Small then he does with the likes of Costello and Mannion. I would have Basquel as the other player in the 15.

The options off the bench would then be McCaffrey, Scully, Mannion, Costello, McMahon, McGarry, O'Gara, McGinnis. That's a crazy strong bench and panel that Dublin have at their disposal if everyone is fit and available.

CartaDubh (Clare) - Posts: 51 - 04/04/2024 09:54:51    2535507

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Replying To CartaDubh:  "Cian Murphy, Ross McGarry and Lahiff have really stepped this league campaign for Dublin you would imagine that they will be pushing hard for places on the championship team.
If Everyone fit Dublin 15 will be very hard to pick. Cluxton probably will retain his position in goals. I actually think O'Hanlon is better than Comerford and should have been starting in the league final.
McMahon and Murphy have been good in the league but you would imagine that Fitzsimons and Murchan both start which means that Murphy might get the other spot in the full back line.
Half Back line: John Small would be centre back, with probably Gannon and McCarthy as wing backs.
Midfield for me would be Fenton and Lahiff.
Half forward: would for me be Howard and Kilkenny wing forwards with Bugler at centre forward.
Then full forward line for me should be Small, O'Callaghan as I think that O'Callaghan links up better with Small then he does with the likes of Costello and Mannion. I would have Basquel as the other player in the 15.

The options off the bench would then be McCaffrey, Scully, Mannion, Costello, McMahon, McGarry, O'Gara, McGinnis. That's a crazy strong bench and panel that Dublin have at their disposal if everyone is fit and available."
It's hard to see a starting 15 without Costello and Mannion in there. Scully gets through a crazy amount of work and is a great ball carrier so he'll probably start also. The big question mark for me is Jack. Will he start at left half back and move James to 9 or will he start on the bench with James at 5? Dessie may choose to use the older lads sparingly. One way or the other Derry exposed a soft core down the middle so shoring up is required. James, Fitzy and Gannon may fix it.

Joxer (Dublin) - Posts: 4704 - 04/04/2024 11:33:31    2535557

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Replying To Joxer:  "It's hard to see a starting 15 without Costello and Mannion in there. Scully gets through a crazy amount of work and is a great ball carrier so he'll probably start also. The big question mark for me is Jack. Will he start at left half back and move James to 9 or will he start on the bench with James at 5? Dessie may choose to use the older lads sparingly. One way or the other Derry exposed a soft core down the middle so shoring up is required. James, Fitzy and Gannon may fix it."
Ah yeah not a Dub myself, but a great admirer of the Dublin team and always kinda had a soft spot for the Dubs, which maybe is a bit unusual for someone from outside Dublin. I just think personally that Small and O'Callaghan work better as an inside two, just feel their isn't as good a balance to the Dublin forward line if you have Mannion, Costello, Basquel and O'Callaghan all playing.

The game was very reminiscent of Donegal in 2014, just that Derry were slightly less clinical as Donegal and also Dublin took the goal chances that they got which didn't happen against Donegal in 2014.

CartaDubh (Clare) - Posts: 51 - 04/04/2024 12:10:27    2535571

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Replying To CartaDubh:  "Ah yeah not a Dub myself, but a great admirer of the Dublin team and always kinda had a soft spot for the Dubs, which maybe is a bit unusual for someone from outside Dublin. I just think personally that Small and O'Callaghan work better as an inside two, just feel their isn't as good a balance to the Dublin forward line if you have Mannion, Costello, Basquel and O'Callaghan all playing.

The game was very reminiscent of Donegal in 2014, just that Derry were slightly less clinical as Donegal and also Dublin took the goal chances that they got which didn't happen against Donegal in 2014."
Surely the clearest goal chance missed last Sunday was Seán Mahon's point in the second half, same player missed a good goal chance in the first half and if Scully hit his blocked effort low the goal was wide open, so in normal time Dublin scored one goal from four clear chances.

sligo joe (Dublin) - Posts: 691 - 04/04/2024 13:28:50    2535601

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COR is ready for the showdown on Sunday.

Should be interesting and hopefully a good game of football.

Dessie and the team need big improvements from our league final display v Derry.
Hopefully we put in a much better performance and some of our missing players are back.

Haven't heard if Fento was successful in his appeal of the red card.


https://www.rte.ie/sport/football/2024/0407/1442194-orourke-enough-barking-more-bite-needed-against-dubs/

Fionn (Dublin) - Posts: 3755 - 08/04/2024 10:52:18    2536502

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