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Replying To BarneyGrant:  "He played at full forward for Whitehall in club championship, and did well, but inter county is different league altogether. He hardly met even one inter county standard full back in Dublin. There's him and Paddy Smyth basically! Every other county has lads well used to marshalling the best.

Days of a Tony Doran wreaking havoc on the edge of square are long gone. Most effective forwards now are fast lads who play away from the goals = likes of Hutchinson, Jake Morris, Gillane even.

Indeed, Limerick are good example of how % play now is to take points from out the field. They do score goals, but almost as icing on cake at this stage!

Anyway, Dublin miles off that."
Fair enough Barney.You make your point well.I just thought it was worth a try and no harm done.The league will give us a better reading into Dublins chances this year.

CiarraiMick (Dublin) - Posts: 3702 - 23/01/2024 12:22:34    2521708

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Great to see Jack starting for tonight...

Strong enough team tbf - not many newbies...

Fionn (Dublin) - Posts: 3755 - 27/01/2024 14:32:10    2522384

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Hi all.

I know its nearly February but Happy new year to you all.

A disappointing start to the league but credit to monaghan they on balance just about deserved that and good luck to them going forward. As for us, no big deal, wouldn't be getting to bogged down one way or the other. A few okay performances. Could see we weren't as sharp as monaghan. Wouldn't have expected us to be.

Listen, I don't want to be Debbie downer and I seem to say this every year now but the league games in Croke park simply have to be looked at. Credit to everyone there tonight but the actual attendance was even poorer than I thought it'd be but then I remembered how much tickets where and I thought people are being priced out of going to games for starters and why would you even bother going when what youree witnessing is It's so flat, it's soulless, dull.

If you were a kid going to your first game there tonight, why would you want to go back? It's just not fun. The football on show isn't very good either albeit its early in the year I do understand that but it's boring and I think the atmosphere and empty, hollowness of CP only adds to that feeling. No sense of occasion at all and more people go and spend their time buried in their phones.

I remember I used.to hang my whole life around The Dubs, then I became a dad and realised it isn't that important, it's just a hobby, and so I haven't been as regularly in past 2 years as I would've normally been prior to that but I think it's time to pack in the league until the powers that be make it more enticing cause honestly, it's so far removed from I grew up looking at.

Just get us back to Parnell Park. That'd be a nice starting point at least then we get a bit of atmosphere back around the games cause its died on its arse

waynoI (Dublin) - Posts: 13650 - 28/01/2024 00:18:42    2522549

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Replying To waynoI:  "Hi all.

I know its nearly February but Happy new year to you all.

A disappointing start to the league but credit to monaghan they on balance just about deserved that and good luck to them going forward. As for us, no big deal, wouldn't be getting to bogged down one way or the other. A few okay performances. Could see we weren't as sharp as monaghan. Wouldn't have expected us to be.

Listen, I don't want to be Debbie downer and I seem to say this every year now but the league games in Croke park simply have to be looked at. Credit to everyone there tonight but the actual attendance was even poorer than I thought it'd be but then I remembered how much tickets where and I thought people are being priced out of going to games for starters and why would you even bother going when what youree witnessing is It's so flat, it's soulless, dull.

If you were a kid going to your first game there tonight, why would you want to go back? It's just not fun. The football on show isn't very good either albeit its early in the year I do understand that but it's boring and I think the atmosphere and empty, hollowness of CP only adds to that feeling. No sense of occasion at all and more people go and spend their time buried in their phones.

I remember I used.to hang my whole life around The Dubs, then I became a dad and realised it isn't that important, it's just a hobby, and so I haven't been as regularly in past 2 years as I would've normally been prior to that but I think it's time to pack in the league until the powers that be make it more enticing cause honestly, it's so far removed from I grew up looking at.

Just get us back to Parnell Park. That'd be a nice starting point at least then we get a bit of atmosphere back around the games cause its died on its arse"
Its a hard one.A few years ago the crowds for the Saturday night games under lights would be too big for Parnell but as you say the novelty has worn off a bit and maybe Parnell Pk should be looked at depending on the opposition.I would imagine a game v Mayo and maybe even Kerry night be too big for Parnell.Great to have the league back and altho the results did nt go our way its good for football that Monaghan and Derry won yesterday.

CiarraiMick (Dublin) - Posts: 3702 - 28/01/2024 08:51:50    2522567

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Replying To waynoI:  "Hi all.

I know its nearly February but Happy new year to you all.

A disappointing start to the league but credit to monaghan they on balance just about deserved that and good luck to them going forward. As for us, no big deal, wouldn't be getting to bogged down one way or the other. A few okay performances. Could see we weren't as sharp as monaghan. Wouldn't have expected us to be.

Listen, I don't want to be Debbie downer and I seem to say this every year now but the league games in Croke park simply have to be looked at. Credit to everyone there tonight but the actual attendance was even poorer than I thought it'd be but then I remembered how much tickets where and I thought people are being priced out of going to games for starters and why would you even bother going when what youree witnessing is It's so flat, it's soulless, dull.

If you were a kid going to your first game there tonight, why would you want to go back? It's just not fun. The football on show isn't very good either albeit its early in the year I do understand that but it's boring and I think the atmosphere and empty, hollowness of CP only adds to that feeling. No sense of occasion at all and more people go and spend their time buried in their phones.

I remember I used.to hang my whole life around The Dubs, then I became a dad and realised it isn't that important, it's just a hobby, and so I haven't been as regularly in past 2 years as I would've normally been prior to that but I think it's time to pack in the league until the powers that be make it more enticing cause honestly, it's so far removed from I grew up looking at.

Just get us back to Parnell Park. That'd be a nice starting point at least then we get a bit of atmosphere back around the games cause its died on its arse"
Ah you are wrong on a lot of counts there
If Dublin win in Croke Park it's a case of Ah it's not fair playing Dublin in Croke Park. Now if Dublin are beaten in the same venue it's Ah it should be played in Parnell Park. I'm sorry but sour grapes does come to mind. Because there are so many games played every year and with so many games on the T.V it definitely hurts the attendance. Do you remember Ulster Finals played in sold out Croke Park? That won't happen again. It really isn't difficult to get tickets for the All Ireland Final any more. People have such a choice of sport and so much on the Telly.
It's not expensive for a family to go to a league match. All kids under 16 are free which really equates to all U.20 are free. I was still going in to games in my mid twenties as U.16. Definitely if you are a Dub you can have the dinner, go to the game and be home and have tea.
Plus last night's game was a really good game.
Yes the atmosphere was flat due to a small crowd in a big stadium but we saw excellent goals great point taking plus good saves. Then we got the winner that everyone wanted bar a Dub. There are 7 round of league games to be played. You won't get many games better than last night.

eoinog (Sligo) - Posts: 1696 - 28/01/2024 09:30:05    2522573

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Replying To waynoI:  "Hi all.

I know its nearly February but Happy new year to you all.

A disappointing start to the league but credit to monaghan they on balance just about deserved that and good luck to them going forward. As for us, no big deal, wouldn't be getting to bogged down one way or the other. A few okay performances. Could see we weren't as sharp as monaghan. Wouldn't have expected us to be.

Listen, I don't want to be Debbie downer and I seem to say this every year now but the league games in Croke park simply have to be looked at. Credit to everyone there tonight but the actual attendance was even poorer than I thought it'd be but then I remembered how much tickets where and I thought people are being priced out of going to games for starters and why would you even bother going when what youree witnessing is It's so flat, it's soulless, dull.

If you were a kid going to your first game there tonight, why would you want to go back? It's just not fun. The football on show isn't very good either albeit its early in the year I do understand that but it's boring and I think the atmosphere and empty, hollowness of CP only adds to that feeling. No sense of occasion at all and more people go and spend their time buried in their phones.

I remember I used.to hang my whole life around The Dubs, then I became a dad and realised it isn't that important, it's just a hobby, and so I haven't been as regularly in past 2 years as I would've normally been prior to that but I think it's time to pack in the league until the powers that be make it more enticing cause honestly, it's so far removed from I grew up looking at.

Just get us back to Parnell Park. That'd be a nice starting point at least then we get a bit of atmosphere back around the games cause its died on its arse"
I doubt there are any Monaghan supporters giving out too much about the atmosphere in Croke Park last night and they are the ones who had to travel long distances. Looking forward to the visit to Croke Park on 17th February.

letsgetgoing (Roscommon) - Posts: 543 - 28/01/2024 09:37:57    2522578

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Replying To waynoI:  "Hi all.

I know its nearly February but Happy new year to you all.

A disappointing start to the league but credit to monaghan they on balance just about deserved that and good luck to them going forward. As for us, no big deal, wouldn't be getting to bogged down one way or the other. A few okay performances. Could see we weren't as sharp as monaghan. Wouldn't have expected us to be.

Listen, I don't want to be Debbie downer and I seem to say this every year now but the league games in Croke park simply have to be looked at. Credit to everyone there tonight but the actual attendance was even poorer than I thought it'd be but then I remembered how much tickets where and I thought people are being priced out of going to games for starters and why would you even bother going when what youree witnessing is It's so flat, it's soulless, dull.

If you were a kid going to your first game there tonight, why would you want to go back? It's just not fun. The football on show isn't very good either albeit its early in the year I do understand that but it's boring and I think the atmosphere and empty, hollowness of CP only adds to that feeling. No sense of occasion at all and more people go and spend their time buried in their phones.

I remember I used.to hang my whole life around The Dubs, then I became a dad and realised it isn't that important, it's just a hobby, and so I haven't been as regularly in past 2 years as I would've normally been prior to that but I think it's time to pack in the league until the powers that be make it more enticing cause honestly, it's so far removed from I grew up looking at.

Just get us back to Parnell Park. That'd be a nice starting point at least then we get a bit of atmosphere back around the games cause its died on its arse"
Croke Park isn't the problem.

Dublin had, what. . 5 starters from the All Ireland final starting last night? Treating the league as a second warm up competition. Hard for supporters to buy into any team that's doing that.

cavanman47 (Cavan) - Posts: 5033 - 28/01/2024 10:05:22    2522585

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Replying To eoinog:  "Ah you are wrong on a lot of counts there
If Dublin win in Croke Park it's a case of Ah it's not fair playing Dublin in Croke Park. Now if Dublin are beaten in the same venue it's Ah it should be played in Parnell Park. I'm sorry but sour grapes does come to mind. Because there are so many games played every year and with so many games on the T.V it definitely hurts the attendance. Do you remember Ulster Finals played in sold out Croke Park? That won't happen again. It really isn't difficult to get tickets for the All Ireland Final any more. People have such a choice of sport and so much on the Telly.
It's not expensive for a family to go to a league match. All kids under 16 are free which really equates to all U.20 are free. I was still going in to games in my mid twenties as U.16. Definitely if you are a Dub you can have the dinner, go to the game and be home and have tea.
Plus last night's game was a really good game.
Yes the atmosphere was flat due to a small crowd in a big stadium but we saw excellent goals great point taking plus good saves. Then we got the winner that everyone wanted bar a Dub. There are 7 round of league games to be played. You won't get many games better than last night."
With the greatest respect to you, I've seen Dublin win 9 all irelands in 13 years. The result of a league game in January really doesn't hold that much credence to me or many others.

Monaghan were very good last night, deserved their win. With better conversion rates they probably should've won by more to be honest.

waynoI (Dublin) - Posts: 13650 - 28/01/2024 10:06:47    2522587

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Replying To CiarraiMick:  "Its a hard one.A few years ago the crowds for the Saturday night games under lights would be too big for Parnell but as you say the novelty has worn off a bit and maybe Parnell Pk should be looked at depending on the opposition.I would imagine a game v Mayo and maybe even Kerry night be too big for Parnell.Great to have the league back and altho the results did nt go our way its good for football that Monaghan and Derry won yesterday."
It depends on one's priority, a decent sized park conducive to open expansive football or a very tight pitch to cater for the locals.

baire (Galway) - Posts: 1849 - 28/01/2024 10:35:01    2522591

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Replying To cavanman47:  "Croke Park isn't the problem.

Dublin had, what. . 5 starters from the All Ireland final starting last night? Treating the league as a second warm up competition. Hard for supporters to buy into any team that's doing that."
Nothing to do with the team, it's the competition. It's like you saying I'm not buying into Liverpool because they're not treating the Carabou Cup seriously. If the League was made more prestigious then the big counties would buy into it. As it stands the goal is survival but even that is a nice to have as Dublin proved last year when they took Sam from Div 2 League.

Joxer (Dublin) - Posts: 4704 - 28/01/2024 11:09:32    2522598

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Replying To cavanman47:  "Croke Park isn't the problem.

Dublin had, what. . 5 starters from the All Ireland final starting last night? Treating the league as a second warm up competition. Hard for supporters to buy into any team that's doing that."
Croke Park is the problem. Dublin had stronger teams named in other years in the League and still poor crowds at croke park

FoolsGold (Cavan) - Posts: 2763 - 28/01/2024 11:45:16    2522609

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A deserved loss in fairness. Not often we ship 3 goals although I think Monaghan may have done that to us a couple of years ago also. Monaghan missing some key players also. Our defence was way too soft down the centre last night. We badly missed the steel that Small and Jamesy bring when they're in there. Davey is going to be a huge loss in the FB line also. The shoulder seems to have gone out of the game also. In the old days you'd never see a young lad like of O'Hanlon running past 7 or 8 fellas without a glove or shoulder laid on him. But what a great player this fella is. Really looking forward to seeing more of him this year and that left footer might already be GOTY. Not sure what Fento was doing with that hand pass. Baffling decision and for the Dubs not to have a sweeper back there at that stage was criminal. Agree with above and I've been saying it for years, these games need to be in Parnell. CP is a cold soulless cavern in the winter with a small crowd. Get the games back to Donnycarney. Season tkt numbers are toppling as there is no value in them anymore si that excuse is waning. Well done Monaghan, a tough opponent as always.

Joxer (Dublin) - Posts: 4704 - 28/01/2024 11:45:31    2522610

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Happy enough with the turn last night, my take would be the league for us this year is an exercise in building a 30 man squad and bringing some lads on.

Glad to see McEneaney, Murphy, O'Dell, McGarry young Clancy get mins - even Paddy Small - who i dont ever remember really getting a proper run of games fit at this time of year. Thought each had their moments and its all about them maybe being called upon for 15-20 mins in a bigger game. Thought O Hanlon was also very good again - didn't have him at fault for any of the goals.

I hinted at it last week but think Breathnach is something a bit special and glad Dessie sees it too. Didnt let anyone down on his debut and looked influential at times hit one very sweet ball and took his point well, he will come on.

As a unit we are obviously going to have to work hard and sort something out at the back, Davy Byrne is a massive miss in my opinion - im sure there will be plenty of auditions between now and April. We didn't look great at the back last night and the Monaghan O Hanlon ripped us to shred again. Conceding three goals is far from great.

Not to fussed if we go down again - i enjoyed Div 2 far more then i have Div 1 in recent years.

Next up Castlebar next week - cant wait.

As always Up The Dubs.

TheUsername (Dublin) - Posts: 4448 - 28/01/2024 11:50:13    2522612

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Replying To cavanman47:  "Croke Park isn't the problem.

Dublin had, what. . 5 starters from the All Ireland final starting last night? Treating the league as a second warm up competition. Hard for supporters to buy into any team that's doing that."
Must be same for Monaghan too ? We both had 7 players each started against each other last year I think. Are Monaghan treating like the same ?

veterngaa (Monaghan) - Posts: 410 - 28/01/2024 11:53:22    2522613

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Replying To veterngaa:  "Must be same for Monaghan too ? We both had 7 players each started against each other last year I think. Are Monaghan treating like the same ?"
Monaghan's changes are driven by retirements tho, aren't they?

Cavan play Monaghan in April and I'd expect 12 or 13 of last night's team to start the Cavan game.

Hard to know what Dublin will do for the first couple of championship games but you'd expect to see Cluxton, Mick Fitz, McCarthy, Mannion, Howard, Basquel all back into the side towards the business end.

cavanman47 (Cavan) - Posts: 5033 - 28/01/2024 14:37:36    2522658

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Replying To cavanman47:  "Monaghan's changes are driven by retirements tho, aren't they?

Cavan play Monaghan in April and I'd expect 12 or 13 of last night's team to start the Cavan game.

Hard to know what Dublin will do for the first couple of championship games but you'd expect to see Cluxton, Mick Fitz, McCarthy, Mannion, Howard, Basquel all back into the side towards the business end."
McCarthy and Basquel both came on as 2nd half substitutes Sat night, so they are already back. Mannion will be back in a couple more weeks too I reckon.
As the season is so short now (6 months to complete League and Championship), I think teams need to start playing near full strength championship teams in the League, certainly towards end of it at least. There can no longer be the approach of the top teams peaking for August/September like in years gone by. You need to peak in June/July.

SouthMonMan (Monaghan) - Posts: 106 - 29/01/2024 15:24:16    2523033

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Replying To cavanman47:  "Monaghan's changes are driven by retirements tho, aren't they?

Cavan play Monaghan in April and I'd expect 12 or 13 of last night's team to start the Cavan game.

Hard to know what Dublin will do for the first couple of championship games but you'd expect to see Cluxton, Mick Fitz, McCarthy, Mannion, Howard, Basquel all back into the side towards the business end."
Rory Beggan, Conor McCarthy, Dessie Ward, Darren Hughes, Sean Jones, McManus, Karl O'Connell all to come back in…. Mcanespie too

And you expect 12/13 from that night to start lol

veterngaa (Monaghan) - Posts: 410 - 29/01/2024 16:25:45    2523058

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Replying To cavanman47:  "Monaghan's changes are driven by retirements tho, aren't they?

Cavan play Monaghan in April and I'd expect 12 or 13 of last night's team to start the Cavan game.

Hard to know what Dublin will do for the first couple of championship games but you'd expect to see Cluxton, Mick Fitz, McCarthy, Mannion, Howard, Basquel all back into the side towards the business end."
There are 3 retirements for Monaghan - there are a load of other absences due to other factors like injuries, giving a rest to older players, some lads taking a break etc.

Of players who were missing on Saturday, you could see the below start or at least heavily feature against Cavan: Beggan(if he doesn't go to the NFL), McManus, D Hughes, McCarthy, Dessie Ward, Sean Jones. Also McAnespie went off injured early and O'Connell only made a late cameo, they're 2 lads that would play most of any game if fit.

patk (Monaghan) - Posts: 936 - 29/01/2024 16:47:38    2523071

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Replying To cavanman47:  "Monaghan's changes are driven by retirements tho, aren't they?

Cavan play Monaghan in April and I'd expect 12 or 13 of last night's team to start the Cavan game.

Hard to know what Dublin will do for the first couple of championship games but you'd expect to see Cluxton, Mick Fitz, McCarthy, Mannion, Howard, Basquel all back into the side towards the business end."
Untrue ,.....Monaghan changes not driven by retirements. Missing yesterday and probable starters come championship time are Ward, McCarthy, D Hughes, McManus, Jones, McAnespie (left injured early yesterday) and O'Connell who came on late in the game. Then there's Beggan who could still be with us come championship. A total of 8 players. Furthermore Boyle & Kearns have not retired but have taken a break.

But we'll keep going and not make excuses. Important though to correct your misinformed comments !

Shelbourne1 (Monaghan) - Posts: 352 - 29/01/2024 22:46:59    2523193

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Death, taxes and Mayo winning soft frees….

ahsure. (Galway) - Posts: 1585 - 03/02/2024 21:08:37    2524073

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