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Replying To avonali: "Be interested to hear your views and the views of others on the quality of the football back then. Big aimless hoofs out from the backs in many cases was standard fare. Playing the percentages and patiently working the ball to the right man wasn't heard of in those days There were a lot of misses - even from the Kerry and Dublin forwards. As for goalkeepers picking out runners and landing the ball right into the breadbasket- forget it. It was 15 individuals on each team taking on their man. Now the football was of a different age but the games were still compelling and full of drama. Little or no lateral passing and keeping possession for 4-5 minute spells was not part of the game and I think that's why they were probably better as spectacles. Possession switched much more rapidly and you didn't see the kind of drubbings in IC football that you see nowadays. Except in '78 - from which `i still bear the scars." I was very young at the time but apart from some of the finals and semi finals of recent years, they were unbelievable games to watch. Partly I suppose its nostalgia and how young I was but they were incredibly exciting games. Again, with benefit of hindsight perhaps, they also seemed very fast and skilful. In fact while the Dublin Kerry games were very good, both teams were at their consummate best when literally destroying quite decent opposition from other counties. I met someone a few years back who played against Dublin in Leinster championship in 70s and while they were well up for the games and even tried to turn games into physical battles that Dublin would at some stage just batter them into submission, then put maybe 14/15 points between them in a matter of minutes. Both those teams were phenomenal by any standards and given all the modern methods would have been well able to compete in later eras, and win mostly! BarneyGrant (Dublin) - Posts: 3516 - 16/08/2023 18:23:04 2500872 Link
Replying To avonali: "Be interested to hear your views and the views of others on the quality of the football back then. Big aimless hoofs out from the backs in many cases was standard fare. Playing the percentages and patiently working the ball to the right man wasn't heard of in those days There were a lot of misses - even from the Kerry and Dublin forwards. As for goalkeepers picking out runners and landing the ball right into the breadbasket- forget it. It was 15 individuals on each team taking on their man. Now the football was of a different age but the games were still compelling and full of drama. Little or no lateral passing and keeping possession for 4-5 minute spells was not part of the game and I think that's why they were probably better as spectacles. Possession switched much more rapidly and you didn't see the kind of drubbings in IC football that you see nowadays. Except in '78 - from which `i still bear the scars." Look Avonali I guess we all look back with rose tinted glasses but yes for certain when you watch games back now it's a different game. A back would win a ball and balloon it up the field with a big roar from the crowd and they kicked it anywhere. Keepers just kicked it as far as the could and midfielders jumped for it. The one exception was maybe Paddy Cullen who was one of the first I remember using the short kickout. Free takers just put the ball down and kicked it. No studying the kick like nowadays as it made them look weak.The game has def got faster players are fitter. better diets and as a rule the game has more skill but some of the older players had fab skills too. Nowadays it's mainly about possession and a half forward can have a great game without scoring. Years ago he d be taken off. Backs are better nowadays in my opinion but fielding was better years ago imo also. Accuracy has improved too. It's hard to judge eras though because of different times diets fitness etc. Sometimes now the build up is so slow it's hard to watch if you ré a neutral. Both eras gave pros and cons but one negative nowadays is the keep ball. CiarraiMick (Dublin) - Posts: 3907 - 16/08/2023 20:01:59 2500881 Link
I think the Dublin v Kerry Championship meetings since 2011 will go down as Classic games. Most of them games had everything - tension, atmosphere, skill, ferocity, speed, fitness, athleticism, tactics and some legendary players. Definitely games that could be watched more than once, for many a GAA fan in years to come. Similarly the Dublin v Mayo games. Fionn (Dublin) - Posts: 4229 - 17/08/2023 10:56:15 2500925 Link
Replying To avonali: "Be interested to hear your views and the views of others on the quality of the football back then. Big aimless hoofs out from the backs in many cases was standard fare. Playing the percentages and patiently working the ball to the right man wasn't heard of in those days There were a lot of misses - even from the Kerry and Dublin forwards. As for goalkeepers picking out runners and landing the ball right into the breadbasket- forget it. It was 15 individuals on each team taking on their man. Now the football was of a different age but the games were still compelling and full of drama. Little or no lateral passing and keeping possession for 4-5 minute spells was not part of the game and I think that's why they were probably better as spectacles. Possession switched much more rapidly and you didn't see the kind of drubbings in IC football that you see nowadays. Except in '78 - from which `i still bear the scars." There is no way those players of yesteryear could live with the fitness levels of players of today. Sports science and training has developed so much since then. I look at GAA Gold and the skill levels in some of those game was shocking tbh. It is not even up for debate imo. People who say otherwise are just being nostalgic with the good old days... Fionn (Dublin) - Posts: 4229 - 17/08/2023 11:03:33 2500928 Link
Replying To Fionn: "There is no way those players of yesteryear could live with the fitness levels of players of today. Sports science and training has developed so much since then. I look at GAA Gold and the skill levels in some of those game was shocking tbh. It is not even up for debate imo. People who say otherwise are just being nostalgic with the good old days..." They would if they had the same training etc. Same as Jesse Owens would most likely compete with Usain Bolt. The natural talent would still be there. BarneyGrant (Dublin) - Posts: 3516 - 17/08/2023 11:19:50 2500934 Link
Replying To BarneyGrant: "They would if they had the same training etc. Same as Jesse Owens would most likely compete with Usain Bolt. The natural talent would still be there." Not so sure about a lot of those players tbh - Poor JK would struggle.. ;o) Fionn (Dublin) - Posts: 4229 - 17/08/2023 11:53:42 2500951 Link
Ciaran Archer. What's likely to happen now that his ban has been quashed. Is he likely to make the senior panel next year playing with Maurs or is he likely to fade into obscurity like so many other promising underage stars? Joxer (Dublin) - Posts: 4743 - 17/08/2023 12:26:13 2500959 Link
Replying To Fionn: "Not so sure about a lot of those players tbh - Poor JK would struggle.. ;o)" He was quick, Watch the 1977 final. He had the Armagh boys trailing in his wake when he went out to fetch all those balls! BarneyGrant (Dublin) - Posts: 3516 - 17/08/2023 12:30:04 2500963 Link
Replying To Joxer: "Ciaran Archer. What's likely to happen now that his ban has been quashed. Is he likely to make the senior panel next year playing with Maurs or is he likely to fade into obscurity like so many other promising underage stars?" I was asking the exact same question recently... It would be some shame to see him not fulfill his potential.. Fionn (Dublin) - Posts: 4229 - 17/08/2023 13:02:21 2500969 Link
Replying To Fionn: "There is no way those players of yesteryear could live with the fitness levels of players of today. Sports science and training has developed so much since then. I look at GAA Gold and the skill levels in some of those game was shocking tbh. It is not even up for debate imo. People who say otherwise are just being nostalgic with the good old days..." But that's obvious! However if the players of yesteryear were playing now and had the same perks training diets etc I'm sure they would be just as good and some maybe better. The likes Of Jacko Shea Brian Mullins Pat Spillane Matt Connor Frank Mcguigan and Peter Canavan could play in any era and maybe far better with the training.Also the possession game is a big thing now which wz taken from basketball and so the managers would be more into that too. The reality is one cant compare eras and things improve all the time. In 15 or 20 years players will be faster again and they l be saying ah the teams back then would nt make it now maybe bar Jack McCaffery and Gavin White. The thought process has improved and backs don't just hoof the ball out a more but the high fielding or score taking is not better than yesteryear and freetakers had to take frees from the ground too which is a far better skill than off the hands. CiarraiMick (Dublin) - Posts: 3907 - 17/08/2023 14:11:21 2500992 Link
Replying To Fionn: "Not so sure about a lot of those players tbh - Poor JK would struggle.. ;o)" I presume you mean Keaveney? Jimmy would be fine in today's game as his skill level would carry him through. Also he was a fantastic free taker (off the ground). For those of you that remember Kerry s Johnno Keefe (he was known as the prince of full backs) Johhno was a fitness fanatic a class midfielder and full back. Johnno has gone on record saying Keaveney was rocket fast over 10 or 15 yards and that was all he needed. Keaveney was brought back just for the frees but ended up scoring loads from play too and to this day he along with Mikey Sheehy have the record for the highest scorers in an All ireland final 2-6 each. CiarraiMick (Dublin) - Posts: 3907 - 17/08/2023 14:20:23 2500995 Link
Replying To Fionn: "I was asking the exact same question recently... It would be some shame to see him not fulfill his potential.." From what I heard Archer will be part of the Dublin panel next year. My source although not official is normally accurate said it was too late to bring him in this year as it would be unfair on other panel members but he is in Dessie s plans going forward. That is of course if Dessie stays on. CiarraiMick (Dublin) - Posts: 3907 - 17/08/2023 14:23:52 2500996 Link
Replying To Fionn: "I was asking the exact same question recently... It would be some shame to see him not fulfill his potential.." Imagine an on form Archer with Con and Collie backed up by Mannion, Costello, Small, Ciaran, Bulger etc. Mouth watering stuff but could be a long road back for him. Joxer (Dublin) - Posts: 4743 - 17/08/2023 14:41:49 2501002 Link
Replying To BarneyGrant: "He was quick, Watch the 1977 final. He had the Armagh boys trailing in his wake when he went out to fetch all those balls!" Keaveny was very fast over a 3-4 metres. Very deceptive. avonali (Dublin) - Posts: 1990 - 17/08/2023 15:29:34 2501019 Link
Replying To CiarraiMick: "From what I heard Archer will be part of the Dublin panel next year. My source although not official is normally accurate said it was too late to bring him in this year as it would be unfair on other panel members but he is in Dessie s plans going forward. That is of course if Dessie stays on." That ban was a joke and must have really messed with CA head. Hopefully he can return from it and get back to the level we all think he can reach. Fionn (Dublin) - Posts: 4229 - 17/08/2023 15:48:34 2501033 Link
Replying To CiarraiMick: "From what I heard Archer will be part of the Dublin panel next year. My source although not official is normally accurate said it was too late to bring him in this year as it would be unfair on other panel members but he is in Dessie s plans going forward. That is of course if Dessie stays on." If Dessie decides to walk away, and not sure he does, we have 2 ready made replacements, if they want the job. Both multiple All Ireland winning coaches. Fionn (Dublin) - Posts: 4229 - 17/08/2023 18:15:09 2501069 Link
Replying To Fionn: "That ban was a joke and must have really messed with CA head. Hopefully he can return from it and get back to the level we all think he can reach." Depending on what Deano does there could be a slot there for a free specialist. I thought that might catch up with us as the year went on but Cossie was very good this year - shout out for Stevo. Archer would have been the same vintage as Newcome, POCB, Ross McGarry in his first year and Gannon and O' Dell in his second -on a side note surprised Mark Lavan hasnt come through, i would have picked him out of that second year vintage to have a shot of coming through, skilful footballer that had that bit extra quality floating in and around the half forward line - actually he might have been on the bench for one of the league games early January either this or last year if my memory is right. On Archer, personally think he's still very raw, brilliant facing goal, but his development needs are winning his own ball - if he can learn that and influence the game, he's away. TheUsername (Dublin) - Posts: 4516 - 18/08/2023 09:52:06 2501105 Link
Replying To TheUsername: "Depending on what Deano does there could be a slot there for a free specialist. I thought that might catch up with us as the year went on but Cossie was very good this year - shout out for Stevo. Archer would have been the same vintage as Newcome, POCB, Ross McGarry in his first year and Gannon and O' Dell in his second -on a side note surprised Mark Lavan hasnt come through, i would have picked him out of that second year vintage to have a shot of coming through, skilful footballer that had that bit extra quality floating in and around the half forward line - actually he might have been on the bench for one of the league games early January either this or last year if my memory is right. On Archer, personally think he's still very raw, brilliant facing goal, but his development needs are winning his own ball - if he can learn that and influence the game, he's away." Deano is gone - he walk walk away now. Great servant and delighted he gets to finish his career with an 8th All Ireland winning medal. CA is a great free taker but as you say, his all round game needs work. Expecting a couple more of those u20's to push on next season and get into our squad. I think O'Dell is a good footballer and will be another Collie. Both have bulked up. The OB Cup is a great way to test the new lads out. POCB is a bit of an enigma tbh... The u20 team that Lee was in had some fine footballers, so expecting a few of them to push on next season. Fionn (Dublin) - Posts: 4229 - 18/08/2023 10:36:46 2501113 Link
Difficult to get very excited as yet over the hurling championship yet with 3 teams from each group of 5 to go through. Big wins for Boden, Na Fianna and Crokes who are almost certain to qualify. Cuala probably will too despite being beaten today in a tight game with Lucan who are not only certain of a quarter final spot but in pole position given the remaining games to take top spot and go straight to semis, They look to me to be only team that might possibly challenge Crokes although Crokes are obviously in third gear at the moment and will get better, Hard to know with Na Fianna. Some of the younger lads starting to come through and if they have the two Curries on form and Donal Burke back fit they should at least make the semi finals depending on the draw. What is positive from Dublin perspective is that there is a good spread of current and potential county lads across the ten teams so Donoghue should learn something more from it, BarneyGrant (Dublin) - Posts: 3516 - 19/08/2023 19:03:49 2501357 Link
Replying To Fionn: "Deano is gone - he walk walk away now. Great servant and delighted he gets to finish his career with an 8th All Ireland winning medal. CA is a great free taker but as you say, his all round game needs work. Expecting a couple more of those u20's to push on next season and get into our squad. I think O'Dell is a good footballer and will be another Collie. Both have bulked up. The OB Cup is a great way to test the new lads out. POCB is a bit of an enigma tbh... The u20 team that Lee was in had some fine footballers, so expecting a few of them to push on next season." Is Theo Clancy one that's expected to come through at full back. Dublin have plenty of forwards but probably need a couple of defenders to come through. endgame (Roscommon) - Posts: 2402 - 19/08/2023 19:44:38 2501364 Link