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In 2004 when Paul Flynn score from 40 meters out Donal Og did not expect it. Sunday there was no surprise in what T.J. was going to try and do. Though for Flynn's goal big Dan did say to the Cork backs " he is going to put this in the back of yere net". They laughed at him. Canuck (Waterford) - Posts: 2660 - 27/01/2022 15:12:43 2396739 Link 1 |
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No, No Katser. The best team is always the team that wins. To the victor the spoils. Anyway, KK teams at both Club and County Level have been snatching victory from the jaws of defeat for decades. Look at all the All Irelands they have won by a point or two.
Oldtourman (Limerick) - Posts: 4321 - 27/01/2022 15:34:56 2396745 Link 0 |
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I'd agree with you in general and last weekend's match was no different. However, I'd make an exception in circumstances where the better team have been very hard done by the officials and where this clearly cost them the game. That's something outside of their control. This wasn't the case in the Thomas's match at all. I'm just making the point that best team doesn't 'always' win. The final score is all that matters, but there's a lot more to analyse than just that thankfully. WanPintWin (Galway) - Posts: 2040 - 27/01/2022 16:27:37 2396753 Link 0 |
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They have won one senior all ireland by a point or two (1983) since 1957 - so not that many really... One in 64/65 years...
tiobraid (Tipperary) - Posts: 4119 - 27/01/2022 17:34:08 2396764 Link 0 |
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You obviously didn't see the same match I saw because it was clear to be seen that without doubt St.Thomas' were the better team on the day and threw it away, even Mcgarry BS manager admitted that. BS only had Cody and Reid scoring for them and few odd scores from others. Nothing like the fantastic points from C Cooney, E Burke, D Burke, B Burke...absolutely majestic. katser (Galway) - Posts: 2195 - 27/01/2022 19:10:16 2396777 Link 0 |
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St Thomas done all the hurling for 50 minutes of that match as were a jot to watch but the last 10 minutes Ballyhale started to turn the screw and pile on the pressure. Champions don't panic and I always had the feeling of any team could work a goal in a split second it would be Ballyhale. I just can't see Ballygunnar beating them in Croke Park. Past hurler (None) - Posts: 725 - 27/01/2022 20:47:26 2396787 Link 0 |
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Have to agree with Oldtourman. It is only a crutch using the "only if ". Also the few times we have beaten the cats I did not not trust we had until reading it in the next day's paper.
Canuck (Waterford) - Posts: 2660 - 27/01/2022 22:05:16 2396799 Link 0 |
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The bookies have BS slight favs with the handicap at one point. I'd say youre the only one that has BS as guaranteed victors! I'm finding it hard to call but BS certainly havent met a team as good as Ballygunner this year so theyll def need to improve.
tiobraid (Tipperary) - Posts: 4119 - 28/01/2022 08:42:41 2396804 Link 0 |
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Yes. But look before that-'32 by 2,'33 by four with a last puck of the game goal, '35 by a point,'39 '47.57 all by 1 and '53 by 3, after conceding six goals. Also ourselves in '19, Limerick could and did complain, but on the day Kilkenny were better as they had more scores than our lads.
Oldtourman (Limerick) - Posts: 4321 - 28/01/2022 09:00:41 2396807 Link 0 |
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See your point, but for years I saw lads in our county saying what you are saying now. We were the better team, but 'we we were unlucky' 'the ref was against us', if Graeme had went for the goal in '14, instead of passing to Tobin', 'if we brought Dowling earlier in '19' - all these are irrelevant. The brutal fact is that in '14 '17 and '19 we had KK done for and we we did not kill them off like we did in '18. The same applies in all cases, you must kill off your opposition when you have them on the rack. The fact is Mount Leinster, St Ryanaghs and St Thomas al had BS in that position, but you have to admire and say hats off to the Noreside boys, for if it comes to a dogfight they nearly always win.
Oldtourman (Limerick) - Posts: 4321 - 28/01/2022 09:12:23 2396809 Link 0 |
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Smh. I dont remember a Limerick - KK final in 2019 tiobraid (Tipperary) - Posts: 4119 - 28/01/2022 09:26:27 2396811 Link 0 |
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Yes, but look at '12 drawn, '14, when both Tipp (drawn game) and Limerick had them on the rack, as well as the '15 drawn final and all the times throughout the '70s '80s and'90s that they edged Wexford especially and even Offaly in '82, when they deprived the Faithful of an almost certain double, in cliff hangers in Leinster
Oldtourman (Limerick) - Posts: 4321 - 28/01/2022 09:55:12 2396819 Link 0 |
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agree with last point, BS 'shouldnt' have even got out of leinster yet here they are in AI Final...and only a fool would bet against them doing the 3 in a row!
CillTormoir (Galway) - Posts: 487 - 28/01/2022 09:57:06 2396820 Link 0 |
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Of course not, but they got to the final against all the odds. Anyway you get my drift
Oldtourman (Limerick) - Posts: 4321 - 28/01/2022 12:03:10 2396840 Link 0 |
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It is difficult to call who will win the final. One thing I am sure of Ballygunner are not going to lose too many nights sleep about Ballyhale between now and the game. They probable lost more about Sleachtneil. 14 of their team have played inter county hurling at some level and and 8 at senior level. Ballyhale can get scores under pressure. Ballygunner will open you up and get more scores from open play. That may be where it will be won and lost. Will Ballyhale allow themselves to be opened up or will they be able to stop it. I believe the gunners have more potential scorers and are faster. Who knows what will transpire on the day. Canuck (Waterford) - Posts: 2660 - 28/01/2022 15:05:39 2396864 Link 0 |
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Very hard to see anything other than a Ballyhale win. There was goals a plenty for Slaughtneil in the Ballygunnar full back line but they hadn't the class to put them away. The Reids, Codys, Mullen & Fennelly could cause havoc in there. I predict Ballyhale to win by 6pts in Croker. Past hurler (None) - Posts: 725 - 28/01/2022 18:55:19 2396893 Link 0 |
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Do you not think the gunners are better that some of the teams the Shamrocks squeaked by to get there. I find it hard to predict one way or the other 50/50. The openess of Croke Park will suit Ballygunner as much as Ballyhale. They have plenty players used to playing there. Fennelly does a lot of fouling but Coughlan is no slouch either when it comes to the dark arts.
Canuck (Waterford) - Posts: 2660 - 28/01/2022 20:45:59 2396910 Link 0 |
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Tough one for Thomas's to take. Highest standard club game I've seen in a long time, the hits, the scores, the drama. Wasn't too far off an inter county game. Definitely the highest standard since Na Piarsaigh v Cuala or Portumna v Ballyhale. Ballyhale to win, they just don't loose all Ireland finals. ML89 (Galway) - Posts: 39 - 29/01/2022 10:41:09 2396933 Link 1 |
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"Ballyhale to win, they just don't loose all Ireland finals." Yes, they've won 8 out of the 9 finals they've played in. Their only loss was the in their first final appearance in 1979. That said I wouldn't pay too much heed to historical statistics. Every final is there to be won on the day. For what it's worth the bookies have Ballyhale as slight favourites to win the final. Cockney_Cat (UK) - Posts: 2466 - 29/01/2022 12:39:15 2396952 Link 0 |
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Ballyhale may win and are difficult opponents. However if Ballygunner were to buy into that the Shamrocks can't be beaten in a final they may as well stay at home and give them a walk-over. Not likely to happen on both accounts.
Canuck (Waterford) - Posts: 2660 - 29/01/2022 19:21:21 2397047 Link 0 |