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Replying To tiobraid: "With the greatest respect, when you named Mellerick as in the running for corner back and failed to mention Tom Morrissey and Flanagan at all, As well as Donoghue "will probably get one". I'm struggling to wonder how much hurling you seen this year... Hegarty doesnt deserve one this year. He sprung into life in a final they were always going to win at a canter. Not for me by any stretch." Ah sure might as well give it to half of Tipperary so for their first half vs Limerick.
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Think out of the 15 only Nickie Quaid, Gearoid Hegarty, O'Donavon, Gillane are the only ones who won't get ones. Not that they bad years at all, Nickie Quaid had a very good year it's just think I Eoin Murphy is the up with Fitzhenry, Cummins as the best goalie I've ever seen and is the best goalie of this generation by some distance and some of the saves he made this year were out of this world, his puckouts are still class when you consider he doesn't have half the options that say Quaid has atm or older Kilkenny teams.Hegarty had a very very good final but quiet year up to that and the hammering they gave Cork means his good performance is sort of lost in that.
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Replying To beano: "Ah sure might as well give it to half of Tipperary so for their first half vs Limerick." Poor comeback when I said my preference was 13 Limerick players get All Stars. Out of curiosity, why do posters bring up the posters county in instances like this (happens mostly to Tipperary posters)?
My opinions can't differ from yours because I'm from Tipp? Its a small bit immature.
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Replying To ML89: "Think out of the 15 only Nickie Quaid, Gearoid Hegarty, O'Donavon, Gillane are the only ones who won't get ones. Not that they bad years at all, Nickie Quaid had a very good year it's just think I Eoin Murphy is the up with Fitzhenry, Cummins as the best goalie I've ever seen and is the best goalie of this generation by some distance and some of the saves he made this year were out of this world, his puckouts are still class when you consider he doesn't have half the options that say Quaid has atm or older Kilkenny teams.Hegarty had a very very good final but quiet year up to that and the hammering they gave Cork means his good performance is sort of lost in that." I'd agree on Murphy and have previously said hes already the best goalie of all time but for me I thought Quaid very clearly had a better year and Murphy was blessed not to have cost KK a Leinster title with a big error. That's just my opinoin
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Replying To tiobraid: "Poor comeback when I said my preference was 13 Limerick players get All Stars. Out of curiosity, why do posters bring up the posters county in instances like this (happens mostly to Tipperary posters)?
My opinions can't differ from yours because I'm from Tipp? Its a small bit immature." Fair enough. You did begin your post "with the greatest respect" but then proceeded to claim that I mustn't have watched much hurling this year which was a veiled insult. You didn't come up with alternatives to the lads I chose either.
Yes Hegarty didn't have as consistent a campaign as the year before, but he was the hurler of the year that year and it's hard to sustain that level especially when you become a marked man. He still hit 0-3 in the Munster final, set up the clinching goal in the semi-final vs Waterford and scored 2-2 in the final itself. The one-sided nature of that game shouldn't take away from him doing the business in the crunch games. Having said that, Tom Morrissey would be equally as fitting a recipient, but I went for Hegarty given his higher profile.
I don't see how you could question the inclusion of O'Donoghue? He is the work-horse in the Limerick side. I chose Gillane over Flanagan as he was the top scorer for the champions, and scored 2-17 across the three biggest games of the year (Horgan and TJ have been nailed on All-Stars for years for similar feats).
Finally I went for Mellerick as an outside shot, probably due that it's unlikely Limerick will get as many as ten, and he was steady all year in fairness to the chap.
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12 All Stars is some going. I think the 3 that were left off would have a right to feel aggrieved. However its not the worst effort of a team but amazing that the beaten finalists had no All Stars but in fairness everyone who tried pick a team were trying to show horn in a Cork player rather than come up with a good reason to deserve it.
I think Donovan and Hannon were lucky given what Forde done to both of them in the Munster final but they recovered well after that and are real leaders in that team.
As I said before Quaid should never have lost out but I think I've seen worse efforts at All Star teams.
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12 All Stars, quite phenomenal really and some reflection on the quality of this Limerick team.
I know there's always going to be controversial decisions and disagreements about who goes where, especially when Cork don't even get one but the essence of the All Stars is summed up for me in seeing Sean Finn get his 4th in a row.
when people bang on about the huge Limerick team they conveniently forget about the likes of Finn, Casey, Lynch all under 6 ft tall.
Finns achievement in doing the tough unglamorous work in the corner so well, so consistently since 2018 needs to be highlighted.
Delighted for him and the 2 O' Ds in midfield, Flanagan, Peter Casey and Nash picking up their first..
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Tiobraid id agree and I feel hegarty is very lucky to..I really think Nicky is suffering now because he doesn't get to many saves to make..same was happening killkenny for years with mc Garry ..we take the 12 and move on..well done to everyone who got them..
CTGAA10 (Limerick) - Posts: 2215 - 09/12/2021 09:37:40
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Replying To beano: "Fair enough. You did begin your post "with the greatest respect" but then proceeded to claim that I mustn't have watched much hurling this year which was a veiled insult. You didn't come up with alternatives to the lads I chose either.
Yes Hegarty didn't have as consistent a campaign as the year before, but he was the hurler of the year that year and it's hard to sustain that level especially when you become a marked man. He still hit 0-3 in the Munster final, set up the clinching goal in the semi-final vs Waterford and scored 2-2 in the final itself. The one-sided nature of that game shouldn't take away from him doing the business in the crunch games. Having said that, Tom Morrissey would be equally as fitting a recipient, but I went for Hegarty given his higher profile.
I don't see how you could question the inclusion of O'Donoghue? He is the work-horse in the Limerick side. I chose Gillane over Flanagan as he was the top scorer for the champions, and scored 2-17 across the three biggest games of the year (Horgan and TJ have been nailed on All-Stars for years for similar feats).
Finally I went for Mellerick as an outside shot, probably due that it's unlikely Limerick will get as many as ten, and he was steady all year in fairness to the chap." My main issue is you selected Millerick at corner back. On what basis could you pick him at number 4? I'm not questioning the inclusion of Donoughue - questioning how you can suggest he might deserve one. He had an unbelievable year so to suggest anything other than he's a certainty I found strange.
tiobraid (Tipperary) - Posts: 4119 - 09/12/2021 09:41:29
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Congratulations to Limerick on a massive achievement of getting 12 All-stars; never achieved before.
Eoin Murphy (Glenmore, Kilkenny): Great season, probably just shaded Nicky Quaid.
Seán Finn (Bruff, Limerick): No argument, best defender in the game at the moment.
Conor Prunty (Abbeyside, Waterford): Well-deserved, but a strong case could be made for Dan Morrissey. Dan totally shut down the house when introduced against Tipp, and never put a foot wrong thereafter.
Barry Nash (South Liberties, Limerick): No argument
Diarmaid Byrnes (Patrickswell, Limerick): No argument
Declan Hannon (Adare, Limerick): His AL final display cemented it, but a case could be made for others, but who exactly?
Kyle Hayes (Kildimo-Pallaskenry, Limerick): No argument
William O'Donoghue (Na Piarsaigh, Limerick): No argument
Darragh O'Donovan (Doon, Limerick): A tad surprised myself, to see him get one, but great that he did. A case could be made for Barron of Waterford.
Gearoid Hegarty (St Patrick's, Limerick): I could see this one coming. Certain people deemed that he didn't have a great year. However, they were judging him against the stratospheric standard that he set the year before. Nonetheless, Jack O'Connor could feel a bit aggrieved. And he's the only Cork hurler that could.
Cian Lynch (Patrickswell, Limerick): No argument.
Tom Morrissey (Ahane, Limerick): No argument.
Tony Kelly (Ballyea, Clare): No argument. Limerick people might try to make the case for Gillane here, but that cuts no ice with me.
Seamus Flanagan (Feohanagh-Castlemahon, Limerick): No argument, and delighted to see it, as he's a great player to watch.
Peter Casey (Na Piarsaigh, Limerick): No argument.
While Limerick should be very happy with 12 awards, it is no exaggeration to say that it could quite easily have been 13 or even 14.
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Replying To beano: "Fair enough. You did begin your post "with the greatest respect" but then proceeded to claim that I mustn't have watched much hurling this year which was a veiled insult. You didn't come up with alternatives to the lads I chose either.
Yes Hegarty didn't have as consistent a campaign as the year before, but he was the hurler of the year that year and it's hard to sustain that level especially when you become a marked man. He still hit 0-3 in the Munster final, set up the clinching goal in the semi-final vs Waterford and scored 2-2 in the final itself. The one-sided nature of that game shouldn't take away from him doing the business in the crunch games. Having said that, Tom Morrissey would be equally as fitting a recipient, but I went for Hegarty given his higher profile.
I don't see how you could question the inclusion of O'Donoghue? He is the work-horse in the Limerick side. I chose Gillane over Flanagan as he was the top scorer for the champions, and scored 2-17 across the three biggest games of the year (Horgan and TJ have been nailed on All-Stars for years for similar feats).
Finally I went for Mellerick as an outside shot, probably due that it's unlikely Limerick will get as many as ten, and he was steady all year in fairness to the chap." You went for Mellerick as an outside shot? You went for Mellerick? Fat chance of that! Sure he wasn't even nominated for an award. It is simple NO NOMINATION=NO AWARD.
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No grievance that Cork didn't get an All Star award. We got hammered in the final and Limerick deserve 12 -maybe even more.
I think we will be back winning All Stars soon enough but it is AI medals that the players are after. There is a bit of underage success started with more to come.
When Kingston/Sullivan/O Grady are gone (hopefully only one more year left with them) and replaced with Ben O'connor, then we'll get those All Ireland medals. All stars will come then. For now, Limerick deserve all the awards and praise they get. Super team.
bennybunny (Cork) - Posts: 3917 - 09/12/2021 10:52:03
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Replying To ML89: "Think out of the 15 only Nickie Quaid, Gearoid Hegarty, O'Donavon, Gillane are the only ones who won't get ones. Not that they bad years at all, Nickie Quaid had a very good year it's just think I Eoin Murphy is the up with Fitzhenry, Cummins as the best goalie I've ever seen and is the best goalie of this generation by some distance and some of the saves he made this year were out of this world, his puckouts are still class when you consider he doesn't have half the options that say Quaid has atm or older Kilkenny teams.Hegarty had a very very good final but quiet year up to that and the hammering they gave Cork means his good performance is sort of lost in that." I think Murphy is possibly just a small amount ahead in terms of his shot-stopping ability which is phenomenal but in terms of game management, positional sense, distribution, and his leadership on Limerick play I think Nicky is out on his own and it is all done in his own calm, confident and assured way with no fuss. His importance to all Limerick's successes over the last couple of years should never be underestimated.
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I felt very sad this morning when I saw the list of Hurling All-Stars (?). These awards have been losing credibility for some years now but this year's finally put the "tin hat" on it. This year's were a total mockery. The sooner they are done away with the better. What chance Tyrone getting 12?
AwbegRover (Cork) - Posts: 136 - 09/12/2021 11:38:17
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no all star for cork renders the awards meaningless
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Replying To tiobraid: "12 All Stars is some going. I think the 3 that were left off would have a right to feel aggrieved. However its not the worst effort of a team but amazing that the beaten finalists had no All Stars but in fairness everyone who tried pick a team were trying to show horn in a Cork player rather than come up with a good reason to deserve it.
I think Donovan and Hannon were lucky given what Forde done to both of them in the Munster final but they recovered well after that and are real leaders in that team.
As I said before Quaid should never have lost out but I think I've seen worse efforts at All Star teams." Over the past four years, when fit, O'Donovan has been very effective and I have long felt that he is a very under estimated player. When a young Limerick team had their backs to the wall in '18 against Cork and Kilkenny especially he really was all over the place, popping up deep in defence and driving the team the team forward, when the heat was really on. When other lads' heads were dropping ten minutes from the end and the team six points down in the Semi Final, he was the man who was driving them on both by word and deed.
Oldtourman (Limerick) - Posts: 4321 - 09/12/2021 11:54:22
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Replying To AwbegRover: "I felt very sad this morning when I saw the list of Hurling All-Stars (?). These awards have been losing credibility for some years now but this year's finally put the "tin hat" on it. This year's were a total mockery. The sooner they are done away with the better. What chance Tyrone getting 12?" Don't worry about it Awbeg. We won our second AI under 20 and added a minor to it. For nearly two decades, we won nothing except for a few tokenistic All Stars. I know what I prefer. The glass is half full.
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Replying To AwbegRover: "I felt very sad this morning when I saw the list of Hurling All-Stars (?). These awards have been losing credibility for some years now but this year's finally put the "tin hat" on it. This year's were a total mockery. The sooner they are done away with the better. What chance Tyrone getting 12?" What Cork player would you have there in front of any of the 15 picked?
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Replying To AwbegRover: "I felt very sad this morning when I saw the list of Hurling All-Stars (?). These awards have been losing credibility for some years now but this year's finally put the "tin hat" on it. This year's were a total mockery. The sooner they are done away with the better. What chance Tyrone getting 12?" In your opinion, who from Cork deserved an All Star over the 15 that got one..
skillet (Limerick) - Posts: 1062 - 09/12/2021 12:18:00
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Replying To AwbegRover: "I felt very sad this morning when I saw the list of Hurling All-Stars (?). These awards have been losing credibility for some years now but this year's finally put the "tin hat" on it. This year's were a total mockery. The sooner they are done away with the better. What chance Tyrone getting 12?" Ah here. Name one Cork player good enough to make that team??
Shocs07 (Limerick) - Posts: 372 - 09/12/2021 12:27:26
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