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Money Grabbing Gareth Brooks

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Replying To MesAmis:  "As a resident of the area around Croker I totally disagree that it should never have been redeveloped in situ.

I just don't think they should take the p*** when it comes to concerts. 5 sell out shows in quick succession is disrespectful to the local community.

Overall Croke Pk is a plus for the community imo.

Concerts are a lot more disruptive than matches. I've been involved in clean ups both after matches and after concerts. Community clean ups after concerts are, quite frankly, disgusting. Vomit and human excrement to be found right outside people's front door"
Not even Garth Brooks could do six in a row. ;)

TheUsername (Dublin) - Posts: 4188 - 30/11/2021 18:08:07    2391248

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Replying To Pikeman96:  "Have to say I have a certain sympathy for residents of the Croke Park area on certain days.

They're the days when the Dubs themselves are playing.

Frankly, I wouldn't want thousands of Dubs fans swarming around my house either."
Great joke and all but it's actually the opposite.

For big crowds, Dubs games cause the least amount of hassle/clean up. Sell out games not involving Dublin are worse. More people arriving in the vicinity having been drinking on a bus or train all morning the usual cause! However all match days are so much better than concerts to be fair.

MesAmis (Dublin) - Posts: 13408 - 30/11/2021 20:18:06    2391254

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Replying To bdbuddah:  "
Replying To Liffeylad:  "[quote=bdbuddah:  "[quote=Liffeylad:  "[quote=bdbuddah:  "[quote=supersub15:  "A gentle reminder.

A residents group representing people who live near Croke Park has branded the move to let Garth Brooks play five concerts there as "unacceptable".
The US country singer was originally scheduled to play two gigs at the GAA stadium in 2022.
But it was announced on Thursday morning that Brooks would play three extra dates.
It follows a similar row in 2014 which led to Brooks refusing to play any Dublin concerts at all.
Brooks said he cannot wait to play the gigs this time around.
Colm Stephens from Clonliffe and Croke Park Area Residents Association said An Bord Pleanála (Ireland's independent planning body) previously imposed a cap of three concerts and special events a year at Croke Park.

Mr Stephens told the BBC's Evening Extra that local people had previously been made aware of seven concerts scheduled to take place in Croke Park in 2022 but they only found out on Thursday that five would be Garth Brooks.
He said: "We voiced our objection long ago and have continued over many years.
"We've objected to the breaking of the cap of three concerts that was imposed when planning permission for the stadium was awarded back in the 1990s by the planning board."

Mr Stephens said Dublin City Council and Croke Park had granted permission for the four extra special events above the cap.
Ed Sheeran will also be playing two concerts at the stadium in April 2022


At a time when social distancing is in high demand because of Covid 19 and other variants Croke park seem to dismiss with ease these factors along with residents in and around Croke Park of their everyday rights including common decency. Croke Park should never have been granted permission to rebuild its stadium at a then cost of over 110 million punts in the heart of a high density dwelling area, I will admit terms and conditions were signed up to but apparently they have been conveniently kicked into touch.

Next year there may very well be 9 concerts, the following year 10 or 12 etc, etc, etc.
The legally binding contract that was signed up to and rubber stamped by Croke Park on an agreed cap on concerts is now rendered useless, how convenient.
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'Croke Park should never have been granted permission to rebuild its stadium at a then cost of over 110 million punts in the heart of a high density dwelling area', what a cheek, I get sick of hearing this attitude that for any event Croke Park has to bow and scrape to the section of people living in the area who are against events happening there. Croke Park has been there for far longer than most of the houses.
He talks about the rebuild as if it was much bigger than before, there was a time pre the 1990's rebuild that the capacity was greater than the current 80k, the attendance record is over 90k."
From your posts I really sense that you fear the concerts may be cancelled because of the residents objections. Well I hope you got your tickets to Garth and I hope you have a great day as let's face it it's a long time since anybody from Meath had a good time in Croke Park"]It's highly unlikely at this stage the concerts will be cancelled due objections by some locals, if they end up not going ahead now it will be more likely it will be that Covid is still with us strongly with us by the time they come around.
I'm actually not into Garth Brooks music so will not be at any of his shows.
I have been at a few concerts in Croker down the years. One U2 concert I was at a few years ago was really great. It also complied with conditions on its licence and finished before 11. Even though it complied with its conditions (and there was only 3 concerts that year) afterwards we were delayed after we exited the Hogan stand as some people protesting the concert tried to block the roadway exit route."]The same concerts U2 were fined over breaching noise level regulations!!!!"]The same concerts that had to finish earlier in Dublin than any of the other venues on the tour because of the complaints if locals (the expensive visual effects were designed for night time darkness but uniquely in Dublin most of the shows took place before nighttime darkness)"]It's really all about you isn't it - it doesn't matter what inconveniences other people as long as you are happy. You obviously don't have either elderly parents or kids. As for your visual effects even in Summer it's dark before 11 so I really don't get your point.

Liffeylad (Dublin) - Posts: 58 - 30/11/2021 21:42:39    2391259

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Replying To Pikeman96:  "Have to say I have a certain sympathy for residents of the Croke Park area on certain days.

They're the days when the Dubs themselves are playing.

Frankly, I wouldn't want thousands of Dubs fans swarming around my house either."
You would never be that lucky

Liffeylad (Dublin) - Posts: 58 - 30/11/2021 21:44:01    2391260

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Replying To Pikeman96:  "Have to say I have a certain sympathy for residents of the Croke Park area on certain days.

They're the days when the Dubs themselves are playing.

Frankly, I wouldn't want thousands of Dubs fans swarming around my house either."
I once witnessed a coach load of young fellas disembark beside Ryans on the NCR and proceed to s*** and p*** in a garden.

They were all from a rather famous hurling club according to the sticker on the windscreen. Well beyond the M50.


MesAmis is right.

BarneyGrant (Dublin) - Posts: 362 - 01/12/2021 11:56:53    2391282

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Replying To Liffeylad:  "
Replying To bdbuddah:  "[quote=Liffeylad:  "[quote=bdbuddah:  "[quote=Liffeylad:  "[quote=bdbuddah:  "[quote=supersub15:  "A gentle reminder.

A residents group representing people who live near Croke Park has branded the move to let Garth Brooks play five concerts there as "unacceptable".
The US country singer was originally scheduled to play two gigs at the GAA stadium in 2022.
But it was announced on Thursday morning that Brooks would play three extra dates.
It follows a similar row in 2014 which led to Brooks refusing to play any Dublin concerts at all.
Brooks said he cannot wait to play the gigs this time around.
Colm Stephens from Clonliffe and Croke Park Area Residents Association said An Bord Pleanála (Ireland's independent planning body) previously imposed a cap of three concerts and special events a year at Croke Park.

Mr Stephens told the BBC's Evening Extra that local people had previously been made aware of seven concerts scheduled to take place in Croke Park in 2022 but they only found out on Thursday that five would be Garth Brooks.
He said: "We voiced our objection long ago and have continued over many years.
"We've objected to the breaking of the cap of three concerts that was imposed when planning permission for the stadium was awarded back in the 1990s by the planning board."

Mr Stephens said Dublin City Council and Croke Park had granted permission for the four extra special events above the cap.
Ed Sheeran will also be playing two concerts at the stadium in April 2022


At a time when social distancing is in high demand because of Covid 19 and other variants Croke park seem to dismiss with ease these factors along with residents in and around Croke Park of their everyday rights including common decency. Croke Park should never have been granted permission to rebuild its stadium at a then cost of over 110 million punts in the heart of a high density dwelling area, I will admit terms and conditions were signed up to but apparently they have been conveniently kicked into touch.

Next year there may very well be 9 concerts, the following year 10 or 12 etc, etc, etc.
The legally binding contract that was signed up to and rubber stamped by Croke Park on an agreed cap on concerts is now rendered useless, how convenient.
"
'Croke Park should never have been granted permission to rebuild its stadium at a then cost of over 110 million punts in the heart of a high density dwelling area', what a cheek, I get sick of hearing this attitude that for any event Croke Park has to bow and scrape to the section of people living in the area who are against events happening there. Croke Park has been there for far longer than most of the houses.
He talks about the rebuild as if it was much bigger than before, there was a time pre the 1990's rebuild that the capacity was greater than the current 80k, the attendance record is over 90k."
From your posts I really sense that you fear the concerts may be cancelled because of the residents objections. Well I hope you got your tickets to Garth and I hope you have a great day as let's face it it's a long time since anybody from Meath had a good time in Croke Park"]It's highly unlikely at this stage the concerts will be cancelled due objections by some locals, if they end up not going ahead now it will be more likely it will be that Covid is still with us strongly with us by the time they come around.
I'm actually not into Garth Brooks music so will not be at any of his shows.
I have been at a few concerts in Croker down the years. One U2 concert I was at a few years ago was really great. It also complied with conditions on its licence and finished before 11. Even though it complied with its conditions (and there was only 3 concerts that year) afterwards we were delayed after we exited the Hogan stand as some people protesting the concert tried to block the roadway exit route."]The same concerts U2 were fined over breaching noise level regulations!!!!"]The same concerts that had to finish earlier in Dublin than any of the other venues on the tour because of the complaints if locals (the expensive visual effects were designed for night time darkness but uniquely in Dublin most of the shows took place before nighttime darkness)"]It's really all about you isn't it - it doesn't matter what inconveniences other people as long as you are happy. You obviously don't have either elderly parents or kids. As for your visual effects even in Summer it's dark before 11 so I really don't get your point."]It was the height of summertime in Europe. Because of this in the other European venues the band came on later and finished later so the spectators would get to enjoy the full audiovisual aspects of the shows during darkness. This did not happen in Croke park due to the finishing time condition. It was a great show anyway, the reason I mentioned the specifics of the earlier finishing time for that concert in Croke park that I was at (which was adhered to by U2) was to demonstrate that despite what some say consideration is given to local concerns during Croke park concerts. Croke park residents probably get more consideration than actually happens in other countries despite people thinking the opposite is the case.

bdbuddah (Meath) - Posts: 1006 - 01/12/2021 12:11:20    2391284

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Replying To MesAmis:  "Great joke and all but it's actually the opposite.

For big crowds, Dubs games cause the least amount of hassle/clean up. Sell out games not involving Dublin are worse. More people arriving in the vicinity having been drinking on a bus or train all morning the usual cause! However all match days are so much better than concerts to be fair."
Careful now, that won't suit some people's anti-Dub agenda.

Bon (Kildare) - Posts: 1408 - 01/12/2021 13:14:29    2391292

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Lads....it was just a joke.

And at least one of you acknowledged it as a good one.

Pikeman96 (Wexford) - Posts: 792 - 01/12/2021 13:37:34    2391295

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Most GAA thing ever is all the people here referring to him as "Gareth"!

Mailman98 (Galway) - Posts: 318 - 01/12/2021 14:12:05    2391303

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Replying To bdbuddah:  "
Replying To Liffeylad:  "[quote=bdbuddah:  "[quote=Liffeylad:  "[quote=bdbuddah:  "[quote=Liffeylad:  "[quote=bdbuddah:  "[quote=supersub15:  "A gentle reminder.

A residents group representing people who live near Croke Park has branded the move to let Garth Brooks play five concerts there as "unacceptable".
The US country singer was originally scheduled to play two gigs at the GAA stadium in 2022.
But it was announced on Thursday morning that Brooks would play three extra dates.
It follows a similar row in 2014 which led to Brooks refusing to play any Dublin concerts at all.
Brooks said he cannot wait to play the gigs this time around.
Colm Stephens from Clonliffe and Croke Park Area Residents Association said An Bord Pleanála (Ireland's independent planning body) previously imposed a cap of three concerts and special events a year at Croke Park.

Mr Stephens told the BBC's Evening Extra that local people had previously been made aware of seven concerts scheduled to take place in Croke Park in 2022 but they only found out on Thursday that five would be Garth Brooks.
He said: "We voiced our objection long ago and have continued over many years.
"We've objected to the breaking of the cap of three concerts that was imposed when planning permission for the stadium was awarded back in the 1990s by the planning board."

Mr Stephens said Dublin City Council and Croke Park had granted permission for the four extra special events above the cap.
Ed Sheeran will also be playing two concerts at the stadium in April 2022


At a time when social distancing is in high demand because of Covid 19 and other variants Croke park seem to dismiss with ease these factors along with residents in and around Croke Park of their everyday rights including common decency. Croke Park should never have been granted permission to rebuild its stadium at a then cost of over 110 million punts in the heart of a high density dwelling area, I will admit terms and conditions were signed up to but apparently they have been conveniently kicked into touch.

Next year there may very well be 9 concerts, the following year 10 or 12 etc, etc, etc.
The legally binding contract that was signed up to and rubber stamped by Croke Park on an agreed cap on concerts is now rendered useless, how convenient.
"
'Croke Park should never have been granted permission to rebuild its stadium at a then cost of over 110 million punts in the heart of a high density dwelling area', what a cheek, I get sick of hearing this attitude that for any event Croke Park has to bow and scrape to the section of people living in the area who are against events happening there. Croke Park has been there for far longer than most of the houses.
He talks about the rebuild as if it was much bigger than before, there was a time pre the 1990's rebuild that the capacity was greater than the current 80k, the attendance record is over 90k."
From your posts I really sense that you fear the concerts may be cancelled because of the residents objections. Well I hope you got your tickets to Garth and I hope you have a great day as let's face it it's a long time since anybody from Meath had a good time in Croke Park"]It's highly unlikely at this stage the concerts will be cancelled due objections by some locals, if they end up not going ahead now it will be more likely it will be that Covid is still with us strongly with us by the time they come around.
I'm actually not into Garth Brooks music so will not be at any of his shows.
I have been at a few concerts in Croker down the years. One U2 concert I was at a few years ago was really great. It also complied with conditions on its licence and finished before 11. Even though it complied with its conditions (and there was only 3 concerts that year) afterwards we were delayed after we exited the Hogan stand as some people protesting the concert tried to block the roadway exit route."]The same concerts U2 were fined over breaching noise level regulations!!!!"]The same concerts that had to finish earlier in Dublin than any of the other venues on the tour because of the complaints if locals (the expensive visual effects were designed for night time darkness but uniquely in Dublin most of the shows took place before nighttime darkness)"]It's really all about you isn't it - it doesn't matter what inconveniences other people as long as you are happy. You obviously don't have either elderly parents or kids. As for your visual effects even in Summer it's dark before 11 so I really don't get your point."]It was the height of summertime in Europe. Because of this in the other European venues the band came on later and finished later so the spectators would get to enjoy the full audiovisual aspects of the shows during darkness. This did not happen in Croke park due to the finishing time condition. It was a great show anyway, the reason I mentioned the specifics of the earlier finishing time for that concert in Croke park that I was at (which was adhered to by U2) was to demonstrate that despite what some say consideration is given to local concerns during Croke park concerts. Croke park residents probably get more consideration than actually happens in other countries despite people thinking the opposite is the case."]Seeing as you seem to know so much about concerts held in Croke Park can you share with the group how all residents concerns are addressed.

Liffeylad (Dublin) - Posts: 58 - 01/12/2021 21:42:12    2391356

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Replying To Liffeylad:  "
Replying To bdbuddah:  "[quote=Liffeylad:  "[quote=bdbuddah:  "[quote=Liffeylad:  "[quote=bdbuddah:  "[quote=Liffeylad:  "[quote=bdbuddah:  "[quote=supersub15:  "A gentle reminder.

A residents group representing people who live near Croke Park has branded the move to let Garth Brooks play five concerts there as "unacceptable".
The US country singer was originally scheduled to play two gigs at the GAA stadium in 2022.
But it was announced on Thursday morning that Brooks would play three extra dates.
It follows a similar row in 2014 which led to Brooks refusing to play any Dublin concerts at all.
Brooks said he cannot wait to play the gigs this time around.
Colm Stephens from Clonliffe and Croke Park Area Residents Association said An Bord Pleanála (Ireland's independent planning body) previously imposed a cap of three concerts and special events a year at Croke Park.

Mr Stephens told the BBC's Evening Extra that local people had previously been made aware of seven concerts scheduled to take place in Croke Park in 2022 but they only found out on Thursday that five would be Garth Brooks.
He said: "We voiced our objection long ago and have continued over many years.
"We've objected to the breaking of the cap of three concerts that was imposed when planning permission for the stadium was awarded back in the 1990s by the planning board."

Mr Stephens said Dublin City Council and Croke Park had granted permission for the four extra special events above the cap.
Ed Sheeran will also be playing two concerts at the stadium in April 2022


At a time when social distancing is in high demand because of Covid 19 and other variants Croke park seem to dismiss with ease these factors along with residents in and around Croke Park of their everyday rights including common decency. Croke Park should never have been granted permission to rebuild its stadium at a then cost of over 110 million punts in the heart of a high density dwelling area, I will admit terms and conditions were signed up to but apparently they have been conveniently kicked into touch.

Next year there may very well be 9 concerts, the following year 10 or 12 etc, etc, etc.
The legally binding contract that was signed up to and rubber stamped by Croke Park on an agreed cap on concerts is now rendered useless, how convenient.
"
'Croke Park should never have been granted permission to rebuild its stadium at a then cost of over 110 million punts in the heart of a high density dwelling area', what a cheek, I get sick of hearing this attitude that for any event Croke Park has to bow and scrape to the section of people living in the area who are against events happening there. Croke Park has been there for far longer than most of the houses.
He talks about the rebuild as if it was much bigger than before, there was a time pre the 1990's rebuild that the capacity was greater than the current 80k, the attendance record is over 90k."
From your posts I really sense that you fear the concerts may be cancelled because of the residents objections. Well I hope you got your tickets to Garth and I hope you have a great day as let's face it it's a long time since anybody from Meath had a good time in Croke Park"]It's highly unlikely at this stage the concerts will be cancelled due objections by some locals, if they end up not going ahead now it will be more likely it will be that Covid is still with us strongly with us by the time they come around.
I'm actually not into Garth Brooks music so will not be at any of his shows.
I have been at a few concerts in Croker down the years. One U2 concert I was at a few years ago was really great. It also complied with conditions on its licence and finished before 11. Even though it complied with its conditions (and there was only 3 concerts that year) afterwards we were delayed after we exited the Hogan stand as some people protesting the concert tried to block the roadway exit route."]The same concerts U2 were fined over breaching noise level regulations!!!!"]The same concerts that had to finish earlier in Dublin than any of the other venues on the tour because of the complaints if locals (the expensive visual effects were designed for night time darkness but uniquely in Dublin most of the shows took place before nighttime darkness)"]It's really all about you isn't it - it doesn't matter what inconveniences other people as long as you are happy. You obviously don't have either elderly parents or kids. As for your visual effects even in Summer it's dark before 11 so I really don't get your point."]It was the height of summertime in Europe. Because of this in the other European venues the band came on later and finished later so the spectators would get to enjoy the full audiovisual aspects of the shows during darkness. This did not happen in Croke park due to the finishing time condition. It was a great show anyway, the reason I mentioned the specifics of the earlier finishing time for that concert in Croke park that I was at (which was adhered to by U2) was to demonstrate that despite what some say consideration is given to local concerns during Croke park concerts. Croke park residents probably get more consideration than actually happens in other countries despite people thinking the opposite is the case."]Seeing as you seem to know so much about concerts held in Croke Park can you share with the group how all residents concerns are addressed."]In Ireland the planning process for organising concerts ets. is known as being quiet detailed and accessible in allowing people to submit their opinions/ issues regarding these events. The planning process is usually strenuous in terms of laying down conditions to mitigate known concerns and issues raised. The fact that Brooks was stopped having 2 extra shows the last time shows the process can be quiet strict.
I have been at 3 concerts in my life in Croke park.
The finishing time condition, which I talked about for the U2 show I attended is a fairly strict condition compared to what happens in other countries. The last concert I attended was Bruce Springsteen in Croke park which had a similar finishing time condition. Before I went in to this show on my phone an article came up saying concert goers should not expect a marathon late performance from Bruce Springsteen (Springsteen is known as a great performer and famous for keeping going for hours) as happened in his previous shows on that tour as the Croke park show had finishing time condition. I obviously don't know the intricacies of all the conditions for concerts but looking at the ​above would suggest local concerns are taking seriously.
In recent years the GAA and local authorities have spent money the area behind the Cusack stand, I believe the reason for this is to mitigate the bad effects that crowds have on local communities on that side of the stadium.

bdbuddah (Meath) - Posts: 1006 - 02/12/2021 14:01:52    2391428

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I'm just going to suggest it's time for you both to stop hitting "post reply" here, and just hit "post new message" instead. :)

Don't worry, we'll all know anyway that you're replying to the last one.....

Pikeman96 (Wexford) - Posts: 792 - 02/12/2021 14:57:48    2391441

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There is no chance the concerts will be cancelled because of the residents objections even though the 5 + 2 events may be good will damaging when rolling out future events, in a roundabout way it sort of reminds me of the sky deal and the way it was ushered through.

It's not correct to accuse Garth Brooks of being a money grabber, as the saying goes it takes two hands to clap.
To suggest that a fair bit of money raised will ultimately go back to promoting/ developing Gaelic games that suggestion is a bit loose, too loose in fact to get excited about, I can recall 1994 when GB played the point depo albeit to the same noise level and a smaller venue, he came back in 1997 to play croke park with the same noise level (at least) but in a bigger venue, for the life of me I can't recall the same level of objections or concerns back in '94 or '97.

For someone to say, Croke Park has been there for far longer than most of the houses is to say the least a little bit insensitive as the residents of those houses are real people all they are looking for is to be treated with the same common decency as the rest of us, personally I don't think that's too much to ask for.

The crux of the current problem covers more than noise level, litter, outside toilets or residents being inconvenienced, top of the list imo would be the scrapping by croke park of the original agreement to cap the concerts at 3, it's being replaced with 5 from Garth Brooks, and 2 later in the year from Ed Sheerin.

The question being asked is, should the residents association agree in principal and sign up again to croke parks demands, what guarantee is there that croke park won't come back again with a new agreement looking for extra concerts to be added to the existing 5+2.

supersub15 (Carlow) - Posts: 2494 - 02/12/2021 17:36:44    2391478

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Replying To supersub15:  "There is no chance the concerts will be cancelled because of the residents objections even though the 5 + 2 events may be good will damaging when rolling out future events, in a roundabout way it sort of reminds me of the sky deal and the way it was ushered through.

It's not correct to accuse Garth Brooks of being a money grabber, as the saying goes it takes two hands to clap.
To suggest that a fair bit of money raised will ultimately go back to promoting/ developing Gaelic games that suggestion is a bit loose, too loose in fact to get excited about, I can recall 1994 when GB played the point depo albeit to the same noise level and a smaller venue, he came back in 1997 to play croke park with the same noise level (at least) but in a bigger venue, for the life of me I can't recall the same level of objections or concerns back in '94 or '97.

For someone to say, Croke Park has been there for far longer than most of the houses is to say the least a little bit insensitive as the residents of those houses are real people all they are looking for is to be treated with the same common decency as the rest of us, personally I don't think that's too much to ask for.

The crux of the current problem covers more than noise level, litter, outside toilets or residents being inconvenienced, top of the list imo would be the scrapping by croke park of the original agreement to cap the concerts at 3, it's being replaced with 5 from Garth Brooks, and 2 later in the year from Ed Sheerin.

The question being asked is, should the residents association agree in principal and sign up again to croke parks demands, what guarantee is there that croke park won't come back again with a new agreement looking for extra concerts to be added to the existing 5+2."
At the end of the day if DCC are happy to agree to the concerts under planning rules, that's all Croke Park need to do. Croke Park don't need to agree anything with a residents association but as 'good' neighbours, they make an effort... like providing a full time liason officer, extra resources on match days etc. The whole 2014 saga was a complete farce and should have never been allowed to happen... DCC backed down far too easily. The local residents association are finding out that their soft power isn't as it used to be... people have sold up since 2014, a lot of houses in the area are rented since then and so on. Also... look at the comments on their Facebook page... interesting that some residents in the area have commented to say they don't have an issue with the concerts and it appears that it's a small minority objecting. It's not even clear who is in charge of the association... information is not freely available and they don't seem to have a website or are actively looking for members (which is never a positive thing). At the end of the day people are free to move on from the area if the disturbance is too much, that's the reality of the suitation.

Square_B (Leitrim) - Posts: 279 - 02/12/2021 20:37:20    2391494

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Replying To Square_B:  "
Replying To supersub15:  "There is no chance the concerts will be cancelled because of the residents objections even though the 5 + 2 events may be good will damaging when rolling out future events, in a roundabout way it sort of reminds me of the sky deal and the way it was ushered through.

It's not correct to accuse Garth Brooks of being a money grabber, as the saying goes it takes two hands to clap.
To suggest that a fair bit of money raised will ultimately go back to promoting/ developing Gaelic games that suggestion is a bit loose, too loose in fact to get excited about, I can recall 1994 when GB played the point depo albeit to the same noise level and a smaller venue, he came back in 1997 to play croke park with the same noise level (at least) but in a bigger venue, for the life of me I can't recall the same level of objections or concerns back in '94 or '97.

For someone to say, Croke Park has been there for far longer than most of the houses is to say the least a little bit insensitive as the residents of those houses are real people all they are looking for is to be treated with the same common decency as the rest of us, personally I don't think that's too much to ask for.

The crux of the current problem covers more than noise level, litter, outside toilets or residents being inconvenienced, top of the list imo would be the scrapping by croke park of the original agreement to cap the concerts at 3, it's being replaced with 5 from Garth Brooks, and 2 later in the year from Ed Sheerin.

The question being asked is, should the residents association agree in principal and sign up again to croke parks demands, what guarantee is there that croke park won't come back again with a new agreement looking for extra concerts to be added to the existing 5+2."
At the end of the day if DCC are happy to agree to the concerts under planning rules, that's all Croke Park need to do. Croke Park don't need to agree anything with a residents association but as 'good' neighbours, they make an effort... like providing a full time liason officer, extra resources on match days etc. The whole 2014 saga was a complete farce and should have never been allowed to happen... DCC backed down far too easily. The local residents association are finding out that their soft power isn't as it used to be... people have sold up since 2014, a lot of houses in the area are rented since then and so on. Also... look at the comments on their Facebook page... interesting that some residents in the area have commented to say they don't have an issue with the concerts and it appears that it's a small minority objecting. It's not even clear who is in charge of the association... information is not freely available and they don't seem to have a website or are actively looking for members (which is never a positive thing). At the end of the day people are free to move on from the area if the disturbance is too much, that's the reality of the suitation."
As noted above, CP have already breached the agreement. Residents are well within their rights to ensure that this does not keep happening.

People living in a community are entitled to protect their quality of life. Anytime they do, whether in this case or where hotels were being turned into hostels for "undocumented" migrants, they get attacked by people who might not like it so much if these things were at the bottom of their road.

BarneyGrant (Dublin) - Posts: 362 - 03/12/2021 10:39:29    2391519

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For me I think some people have a over hostile attitude when it comes to Croke Park actually being used. It's a stadium so it's going to be used as a stadium which automatically involves many people coming into and out of the area. Of course when it's in use it should be managed well so as to mitigate disruption to locals and minimise safety risks for people going to/ from the stadium.
What happens in Croke park in terms of its use has a fairly mild impact compared to some other stadiums in other countries. In England a lot of the Premier League grounds are located in residential areas. For example in Liverpool one area has 2 club stadiums (Anfield and Goodison). The amount of games that are held there, which would bring big crowds into the area on working/ school nights would be huge. The same situation would exist in many other cities cross channel and in Europe.

bdbuddah (Meath) - Posts: 1006 - 03/12/2021 11:23:14    2391526

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Replying To BarneyGrant:  "
Replying To Square_B:  "[quote=supersub15:  "There is no chance the concerts will be cancelled because of the residents objections even though the 5 + 2 events may be good will damaging when rolling out future events, in a roundabout way it sort of reminds me of the sky deal and the way it was ushered through.

It's not correct to accuse Garth Brooks of being a money grabber, as the saying goes it takes two hands to clap.
To suggest that a fair bit of money raised will ultimately go back to promoting/ developing Gaelic games that suggestion is a bit loose, too loose in fact to get excited about, I can recall 1994 when GB played the point depo albeit to the same noise level and a smaller venue, he came back in 1997 to play croke park with the same noise level (at least) but in a bigger venue, for the life of me I can't recall the same level of objections or concerns back in '94 or '97.

For someone to say, Croke Park has been there for far longer than most of the houses is to say the least a little bit insensitive as the residents of those houses are real people all they are looking for is to be treated with the same common decency as the rest of us, personally I don't think that's too much to ask for.

The crux of the current problem covers more than noise level, litter, outside toilets or residents being inconvenienced, top of the list imo would be the scrapping by croke park of the original agreement to cap the concerts at 3, it's being replaced with 5 from Garth Brooks, and 2 later in the year from Ed Sheerin.

The question being asked is, should the residents association agree in principal and sign up again to croke parks demands, what guarantee is there that croke park won't come back again with a new agreement looking for extra concerts to be added to the existing 5+2."
At the end of the day if DCC are happy to agree to the concerts under planning rules, that's all Croke Park need to do. Croke Park don't need to agree anything with a residents association but as 'good' neighbours, they make an effort... like providing a full time liason officer, extra resources on match days etc. The whole 2014 saga was a complete farce and should have never been allowed to happen... DCC backed down far too easily. The local residents association are finding out that their soft power isn't as it used to be... people have sold up since 2014, a lot of houses in the area are rented since then and so on. Also... look at the comments on their Facebook page... interesting that some residents in the area have commented to say they don't have an issue with the concerts and it appears that it's a small minority objecting. It's not even clear who is in charge of the association... information is not freely available and they don't seem to have a website or are actively looking for members (which is never a positive thing). At the end of the day people are free to move on from the area if the disturbance is too much, that's the reality of the suitation."
As noted above, CP have already breached the agreement. Residents are well within their rights to ensure that this does not keep happening.

People living in a community are entitled to protect their quality of life. Anytime they do, whether in this case or where hotels were being turned into hostels for "undocumented" migrants, they get attacked by people who might not like it so much if these things were at the bottom of their road."]A minority of people are not 'entitled' to halt progress either... hence why we have a planning process to adjudicate. And the 'residents' protesting are most definitely in the minority. DCC have approved the concerts and that's that... they can protest all they like. As I've said, if it pains these people so much, they are always free to move and improve their quality of life elsewhere.

Square_B (Leitrim) - Posts: 279 - 03/12/2021 12:53:46    2391535

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Replying To Square_B:  "
Replying To BarneyGrant:  "[quote=Square_B:  "[quote=supersub15:  "There is no chance the concerts will be cancelled because of the residents objections even though the 5 + 2 events may be good will damaging when rolling out future events, in a roundabout way it sort of reminds me of the sky deal and the way it was ushered through.

It's not correct to accuse Garth Brooks of being a money grabber, as the saying goes it takes two hands to clap.
To suggest that a fair bit of money raised will ultimately go back to promoting/ developing Gaelic games that suggestion is a bit loose, too loose in fact to get excited about, I can recall 1994 when GB played the point depo albeit to the same noise level and a smaller venue, he came back in 1997 to play croke park with the same noise level (at least) but in a bigger venue, for the life of me I can't recall the same level of objections or concerns back in '94 or '97.

For someone to say, Croke Park has been there for far longer than most of the houses is to say the least a little bit insensitive as the residents of those houses are real people all they are looking for is to be treated with the same common decency as the rest of us, personally I don't think that's too much to ask for.

The crux of the current problem covers more than noise level, litter, outside toilets or residents being inconvenienced, top of the list imo would be the scrapping by croke park of the original agreement to cap the concerts at 3, it's being replaced with 5 from Garth Brooks, and 2 later in the year from Ed Sheerin.

The question being asked is, should the residents association agree in principal and sign up again to croke parks demands, what guarantee is there that croke park won't come back again with a new agreement looking for extra concerts to be added to the existing 5+2."
At the end of the day if DCC are happy to agree to the concerts under planning rules, that's all Croke Park need to do. Croke Park don't need to agree anything with a residents association but as 'good' neighbours, they make an effort... like providing a full time liason officer, extra resources on match days etc. The whole 2014 saga was a complete farce and should have never been allowed to happen... DCC backed down far too easily. The local residents association are finding out that their soft power isn't as it used to be... people have sold up since 2014, a lot of houses in the area are rented since then and so on. Also... look at the comments on their Facebook page... interesting that some residents in the area have commented to say they don't have an issue with the concerts and it appears that it's a small minority objecting. It's not even clear who is in charge of the association... information is not freely available and they don't seem to have a website or are actively looking for members (which is never a positive thing). At the end of the day people are free to move on from the area if the disturbance is too much, that's the reality of the suitation."
As noted above, CP have already breached the agreement. Residents are well within their rights to ensure that this does not keep happening.

People living in a community are entitled to protect their quality of life. Anytime they do, whether in this case or where hotels were being turned into hostels for "undocumented" migrants, they get attacked by people who might not like it so much if these things were at the bottom of their road."]A minority of people are not 'entitled' to halt progress either... hence why we have a planning process to adjudicate. And the 'residents' protesting are most definitely in the minority. DCC have approved the concerts and that's that... they can protest all they like. As I've said, if it pains these people so much, they are always free to move and improve their quality of life elsewhere."]The people who are living in a place , whether it's inner city Dublin or rural Leitrim or Galway ought to have precedence over anyone else.

No one there has any objections to matches or a reasonable number of concerts. It's the constantly changing terms that worry people.

GAA people should also be wondering if maybe all these concerts are not too conveniently being facilitated by a reduced season.

BarneyGrant (Dublin) - Posts: 362 - 03/12/2021 13:44:45    2391543

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The stadium was in place before those few residents who are now complaining. A section of our community are just looking for something to complain about and they expect all the benefits but fail to forget where and how money is generated. Most of the money generated by CP goes back to the counties and Business big and small/ folk working generate the money for all government jobs and also provides all social welfare /care/hospitals etc.- money does not grow on trees although the trees will help the planet.

browncows (Meath) - Posts: 2286 - 03/12/2021 14:02:28    2391544

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# Square B,

The minority of people you are referring to numbers at least 1000 this number does not include business people so with that in mind they are very much entitled to voice their objections and take it from there.

Because you yourself are very much in the minority you are not at all entitled to stop the progress those people are making however slowly in trying to live out their lives in the comfort of their own homes with the very minimum of disruption, inconveniencs, etc, etc, etc, and unnecessary noise levels.

supersub15 (Carlow) - Posts: 2494 - 03/12/2021 14:33:44    2391545

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