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Fair play to Vikki Wall. She truly deserved it; an amazing player. IMO, she's better than any forward on the Meath man's team. McEntee should contact her… which prompts my question: if a woman is good enough (thinking of the AIs Mayo men could have won if they'd played Cora Staunton), and if she wants to, is she allowed play in the men's game? Or is there complete segregation? foreveryoung (USA) - Posts: 1920 - 14/11/2021 10:20:41 2389348 Link
Replying To foreveryoung: "Fair play to Vikki Wall. She truly deserved it; an amazing player. IMO, she's better than any forward on the Meath man's team. McEntee should contact her… which prompts my question: if a woman is good enough (thinking of the AIs Mayo men could have won if they'd played Cora Staunton), and if she wants to, is she allowed play in the men's game? Or is there complete segregation?" You're opening a can of worms there. Segregation is there for a reason. if Vikki played mens seniors (probably good enough tbf) you're guaranteed you'd have some bright spark canvassing for some lad with identity issues to have the 'right' to play ladies football. Don't need to look any further than the NZ Ladies Olympic weightlifting team to see how that turns out. skillet (Limerick) - Posts: 1064 - 14/11/2021 13:12:47 2389361 Link
Replying To foreveryoung: "Fair play to Vikki Wall. She truly deserved it; an amazing player. IMO, she's better than any forward on the Meath man's team. McEntee should contact her… which prompts my question: if a woman is good enough (thinking of the AIs Mayo men could have won if they'd played Cora Staunton), and if she wants to, is she allowed play in the men's game? Or is there complete segregation?" Could be dodgy enough I'd say, congratulations to Vickey on her award. KingdomBoy1 (Kerry) - Posts: 14092 - 14/11/2021 21:32:03 2389454 Link
Replying To skillet: "You're opening a can of worms there. Segregation is there for a reason. if Vikki played mens seniors (probably good enough tbf) you're guaranteed you'd have some bright spark canvassing for some lad with identity issues to have the 'right' to play ladies football. Don't need to look any further than the NZ Ladies Olympic weightlifting team to see how that turns out." To be clear, she is very very very much not "probably good enough" to play mens senior club football in Meath. Neither was Cora Staunton in mayo. It's completely unfair on them to even suggest it. She is an absolutely brilliant footballer and well done to her on her award and performance in what was in my view the best game in any code this year. kazoochka (Galway) - Posts: 343 - 14/11/2021 21:41:33 2389456 Link
Replying To skillet: "You're opening a can of worms there. Segregation is there for a reason. if Vikki played mens seniors (probably good enough tbf) you're guaranteed you'd have some bright spark canvassing for some lad with identity issues to have the 'right' to play ladies football. Don't need to look any further than the NZ Ladies Olympic weightlifting team to see how that turns out." Indeed, The only physically demanding sport that women can compete with on same level as men is surely horse racing, as jockeys? Some male team ought maybe to identify as female to illustrate the absurdity of it. After all an under 15 boys soccer team beat the insufferable American ladies world cup winning team, Michelle Fitzsimons and Davida Clifford anyone? BarneyGrant (Dublin) - Posts: 2569 - 14/11/2021 21:45:02 2389457 Link
She or any other woman wanting to play men's football would have to get used to different rules, such as having to learn how to pick the ball up properly, and the way the handpass works differently. There's obviously the added physicality of the men's game too. Imagine a woman who's never been legally hit with a full shoulder charge suddenly being planted with one. There's always the danger or being labelled sexist or misogynist when saying this, but I think that part of the reason why ladies football and camogie don't have a wider following is because of how certain rules are simplified in those games, to make them "easier" to play. To the best of my knowledge, there's no such differences between men's and women's rugby, or men's and women's soccer, for instance. Pikeman96 (Wexford) - Posts: 2250 - 15/11/2021 08:13:32 2389463 Link
First off congratulations to vikki. I really can't remember a more dead cert winner of a poty award. Her only competition came from her teammate Emma duggan who in any normal year would have won it by a mile. The question itself?? I don't know I'm sure if Andy thought she'd add to team (and it was allowed) he wouldn't care. I know many years ago ballinabrackey had a female gk upto u14 (perhaps longer) . Is it permissible? I don't know. Would vikki add something to the Meath team ? Probably. Would we go down the road of having male players in ladies sports ? Maybe. But really all that matters is vikki and the Meath ladies team outshone all other winners in every code this year. And will undoubtedly be team of the year. Let's just enjoy her brilliance and that of her teammates. Hon the royal royaldunne (Meath) - Posts: 19449 - 15/11/2021 08:54:07 2389465 Link
Replying To BarneyGrant: "Indeed, The only physically demanding sport that women can compete with on same level as men is surely horse racing, as jockeys? Some male team ought maybe to identify as female to illustrate the absurdity of it. After all an under 15 boys soccer team beat the insufferable American ladies world cup winning team, Michelle Fitzsimons and Davida Clifford anyone?" An under 15 boys team did not beat the USA Women's National Team. Cockney_Cat (UK) - Posts: 2477 - 15/11/2021 09:43:11 2389476 Link
Replying To foreveryoung: "Fair play to Vikki Wall. She truly deserved it; an amazing player. IMO, she's better than any forward on the Meath man's team. McEntee should contact her… which prompts my question: if a woman is good enough (thinking of the AIs Mayo men could have won if they'd played Cora Staunton), and if she wants to, is she allowed play in the men's game? Or is there complete segregation?" If women were allowed to play the 'men's game', it would cease to be a men's game, it would be a mixed sex game. Cockney_Cat (UK) - Posts: 2477 - 15/11/2021 09:47:45 2389478 Link
Replying To Cockney_Cat: "An under 15 boys team did not beat the USA Women's National Team." Maybe the winners of the mens allireland and womens allireland could play eachother in a charity game at the end of the year? KingdomBoy1 (Kerry) - Posts: 14092 - 15/11/2021 11:02:57 2389497 Link
Replying To Cockney_Cat: "An under 15 boys team did not beat the USA Women's National Team." Oh yes they did. Here's just one of several reports online about it (I just picked this one as it happens to be the top result on Google): https://www.cbssports.com/soccer/news/a-dallas-fc-under-15-boys-squad-beat-the-u-s-womens-national-team-in-a-scrimmage/ link Granted, it's described as "an informal scrimmage", with "scrimmage" seeming to be the US term for "friendly". But the result was still 5-2 to the boys. Pikeman96 (Wexford) - Posts: 2250 - 15/11/2021 11:04:57 2389498 Link
Fair play to Vikki Wall, she has been Meath's standout player since she was in her teens and deserves every accolade that goes her way especially after the year she's had. But the notion that any female player would be capable of being successful in the mens' game is comical, never mind at the elite end of the mens' game. The anatomical differences are just huge and unbridgeable. CastleBravo (Meath) - Posts: 1646 - 15/11/2021 11:16:56 2389506 Link
Replying To Cockney_Cat: "An under 15 boys team did not beat the USA Women's National Team." Oh, they did indeed: https://www.cbssports.com/soccer/news/a-dallas-fc-under-15-boys-squad-beat-the-u-s-womens-national-team-in-a-scrimmage/ BarneyGrant (Dublin) - Posts: 2569 - 15/11/2021 12:27:03 2389516 Link
Replying To Cockney_Cat: "An under 15 boys team did not beat the USA Women's National Team." Yes they did goggle it dallas u15 boys hammered them bennypoor (Louth) - Posts: 521 - 15/11/2021 12:28:02 2389517 Link
Replying To BarneyGrant: "Oh, they did indeed: https://www.cbssports.com/soccer/news/a-dallas-fc-under-15-boys-squad-beat-the-u-s-womens-national-team-in-a-scrimmage/" It was not a competitive match, it was a 'srimmage', a training session, It's imperative to state that this 'game' between the USWNT and Dallas boys was not really a game at all. Before the official post was blocked it was described as a 'scrimmage' between the two squads, an informal practice. And, with an actual game against Russia to follow, none of the female players would in their right mind have played like it was a real contest. link Cockney_Cat (UK) - Posts: 2477 - 15/11/2021 13:47:54 2389532 Link
Replying To bennypoor: "Yes they did goggle it dallas u15 boys hammered them" But I'm not talking about a whole team, just one woman being good enough to fit into a men's team. And Vikki, I believe is good enough for the Meath men's team. Btw, our ladies soccer team is sheer class. We've lost a few to retirement recently, but have some awesome talents coming through. It's just a shame that our men's team cannot get up to the same level! foreveryoung (USA) - Posts: 1920 - 15/11/2021 15:12:17 2389545 Link
Replying To Cockney_Cat: "It was not a competitive match, it was a 'srimmage', a training session, It's imperative to state that this 'game' between the USWNT and Dallas boys was not really a game at all. Before the official post was blocked it was described as a 'scrimmage' between the two squads, an informal practice. And, with an actual game against Russia to follow, none of the female players would in their right mind have played like it was a real contest. link" They lost a match. Do you seriously think Limerick would lose even a light hearted practise match to the Tipp minors? At what level of male boxing do you think Katie Taylor would be competitive at? It's just down to biological facts. Something maybe people choose to ignore in these mad times, but they remain as valid as they've always been. BarneyGrant (Dublin) - Posts: 2569 - 15/11/2021 17:07:47 2389559 Link
"Scrimmage" = practice match. Maybe a fairly casual kickaround, but they were still keeping score. Boys 5, Women 2. Pikeman96 (Wexford) - Posts: 2250 - 15/11/2021 17:36:48 2389563 Link
Replying To foreveryoung: "But I'm not talking about a whole team, just one woman being good enough to fit into a men's team. And Vikki, I believe is good enough for the Meath men's team. Btw, our ladies soccer team is sheer class. We've lost a few to retirement recently, but have some awesome talents coming through. It's just a shame that our men's team cannot get up to the same level!" She's a brilliant footballer and was the best player on a Meath team who were hugely enjoyable to watch this year. She'd also be well off the required level for a male intercounty team. Leaving skill level aside, the physical differences are just too great. On the topic of our ladies soccer team, they have shown early improvement in the current campaign, but much like our men's team, they failed to qualify for the last Euros when they really should have. They had a play-off place in their grasp, but lost against a Ukraine team who were subsequently beaten in the play-off by Northern Ireland. I wouldn't describe them as sheer class yet. Qualifying for a major tournament would be a good start. WanPintWin (Galway) - Posts: 2045 - 15/11/2021 18:36:32 2389571 Link
Replying To BarneyGrant: " Replying To Cockney_Cat: "It was not a competitive match, it was a 'srimmage', a training session, It's imperative to state that this 'game' between the USWNT and Dallas boys was not really a game at all. Before the official post was blocked it was described as a 'scrimmage' between the two squads, an informal practice. And, with an actual game against Russia to follow, none of the female players would in their right mind have played like it was a real contest. link" They lost a match. Do you seriously think Limerick would lose even a light hearted practise match to the Tipp minors? At what level of male boxing do you think Katie Taylor would be competitive at? It's just down to biological facts. Something maybe people choose to ignore in these mad times, but they remain as valid as they've always been." It wasn't a match, a game. Do you seriously think a bunch of 15 year old boys would beat a top professional women's team? Cockney_Cat (UK) - Posts: 2477 - 15/11/2021 19:19:33 2389575 Link