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Replying To jobber:  "I dont.You are giving the "Collinstown" team all the credit when Turin have played a huge part in both the under 17 and under 19 achievements.Dont get me wrong its great news LLG have had a fine year with their senior and junior teams as well as their contribution to Na Piarsaigh but talk like that can lead to amalgamation break ups."
Who are Turin

CleanShoulder (Westmeath) - Posts: 256 - 07/11/2023 17:39:58    2511989

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Does anyone know if U18s will yet be allowed play adult level next year or if any clubs are sending a motion forward to open the debate again?

TigerWoods90 (Westmeath) - Posts: 134 - 07/11/2023 20:02:26    2512006

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Replying To TigerWoods90:  "Does anyone know if U18s will yet be allowed play adult level next year or if any clubs are sending a motion forward to open the debate again?"
Over 90% voted for decoupling of minor and Adult less than 12 months ago so I doubt its going to change before the new age groups even begin next year.

martyW (Westmeath) - Posts: 314 - 08/11/2023 10:55:28    2512049

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Replying To CleanShoulder:  "Who are Turin"
Turin will actually be affected badly by the new u18 rule as Conor Heffernan, Darragh Smith and Conor Leech would have added a lot to their adult team for 2024.

Dheen (Westmeath) - Posts: 680 - 08/11/2023 12:11:45    2512069

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I agree with the rule that minors /18 year olds not been allowed play adult hurling.
Most 18 year olds are already being stretched, a lot of them playing hurling and football, on school teams and some of them doing the leaving cert. Add in rugby soccer etc for some of them.
They'll have years and years to play adult hurling for their clubs if they wish.

Bigjoe1 (Westmeath) - Posts: 35 - 08/11/2023 13:38:43    2512096

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Replying To Bigjoe1:  "I agree with the rule that minors /18 year olds not been allowed play adult hurling.
Most 18 year olds are already being stretched, a lot of them playing hurling and football, on school teams and some of them doing the leaving cert. Add in rugby soccer etc for some of them.
They'll have years and years to play adult hurling for their clubs if they wish."
Thats fine if you are Castltown,Raharney or Clonkill with big numbers but what about the small clubs with low population.
Rugby or soccer is not our concern.
In reply to the dirty shoulder Turn are that small club whom a certain team in green and gold have pillaged for years.

jobber (Westmeath) - Posts: 1352 - 08/11/2023 16:00:11    2512135

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Replying To jobber:  "Thats fine if you are Castltown,Raharney or Clonkill with big numbers but what about the small clubs with low population.
Rugby or soccer is not our concern.
In reply to the dirty shoulder Turn are that small club whom a certain team in green and gold have pillaged for years."
The Na Piarsaigh project has definitely stopped that pillaging as well. Its been a great success so far, the Gaels are heading in the right direction which is clear to see but Turin need some of these youngster's coming through now so I don't agree with the rule preventing u18s from playing adult hurling.

Dheen (Westmeath) - Posts: 680 - 08/11/2023 16:24:52    2512143

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Replying To Dheen:  "The Na Piarsaigh project has definitely stopped that pillaging as well. Its been a great success so far, the Gaels are heading in the right direction which is clear to see but Turin need some of these youngster's coming through now so I don't agree with the rule preventing u18s from playing adult hurling."
100% agree and it affects The Wood,Ringtown,Brownstown,Brigids and Southern Gaels as well.

jobber (Westmeath) - Posts: 1352 - 08/11/2023 18:34:51    2512166

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Replying To Icehouse:  "Dalton over stepping their mark a bit. Southern Gaels are an amalgamation of Athlone and Walderstown . Which is Drumraney i.e. Tang and Maryland."
Some Maryland and Tang players playing for Daltons would be closer to Ballymore than Athlone in fairness, a few others from further south in the parish are closing to Athlone and ended up with Southern Gaels

iarmhi_an_mhaith (Westmeath) - Posts: 266 - 08/11/2023 23:19:15    2512182

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As a matter of interest do any of Ollie Baker's lads play hurling ? Would they be Southern Gaels or Fr Daltons ?

BigSur (Westmeath) - Posts: 1121 - 09/11/2023 20:15:42    2512298

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Replying To BigSur:  "As a matter of interest do any of Ollie Baker's lads play hurling ? Would they be Southern Gaels or Fr Daltons ?"
No I don't think they do surprisingly. If they were going to play it'd be for Southern Gaels. Something tells me had Ollie Baker decided to live somewhere nearer to Rosemount/Streamstown they would have picked up hurls.

Dheen (Westmeath) - Posts: 680 - 10/11/2023 10:11:57    2512319

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Replying To Icehouse:  "Dalton over stepping their mark a bit. Southern Gaels are an amalgamation of Athlone and Walderstown . Which is Drumraney i.e. Tang and Maryland."
Walderstown is not Tang, nor is it really Drumraney, Its just a small area within the drumraney parish. Anyone Living in Walderstown or that side of the parish play mostly with Southern Gaels but there exceptions on both sides and even from Tang theres 1 or 2 that play with either. Ardnagrath school more play with S.Gaels, Drumraney more with Daltons. Southern Gaels was an amalgamation between the the 2 but there's no parish rule and Tang and Drumraney are in Limbo there. Daltons are defo not over stepping their mark.

PowellJohn3 (Westmeath) - Posts: 26 - 10/11/2023 11:57:38    2512337

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Replying To Dheen:  "No I don't think they do surprisingly. If they were going to play it'd be for Southern Gaels. Something tells me had Ollie Baker decided to live somewhere nearer to Rosemount/Streamstown they would have picked up hurls."
Tadhg has played through the underage grades for Southern Gaels, not sure about Senan. Ollie is very much involved with Southern Gaels club coaching underage teams. A lot of work going on to improve hurling in Athlone, thats reflected by their underage success in recent years. Tony O Keeffe is another driving force there.

A_Chairde (Westmeath) - Posts: 155 - 10/11/2023 13:03:56    2512351

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Replying To A_Chairde:  "Tadhg has played through the underage grades for Southern Gaels, not sure about Senan. Ollie is very much involved with Southern Gaels club coaching underage teams. A lot of work going on to improve hurling in Athlone, thats reflected by their underage success in recent years. Tony O Keeffe is another driving force there."
I wasn't aware that Ollie is working with underage in Southern Gaels, fair play to him. They are definitely putting in huge work down in Athlone to improve hurling and participation has increased massively too when you look at their numbers at various age groups. They need to start producing a couple of Division 1 standard teams at underage, similarly to what we've seen from Plunketts, Brigids and Cullion.
Brigids weren't at the business end of Division 1 u13 championship but they still produced a team that could compete at that level which is a big step in the right direction.

Dheen (Westmeath) - Posts: 680 - 10/11/2023 14:20:05    2512365

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Replying To Dheen:  "I wasn't aware that Ollie is working with underage in Southern Gaels, fair play to him. They are definitely putting in huge work down in Athlone to improve hurling and participation has increased massively too when you look at their numbers at various age groups. They need to start producing a couple of Division 1 standard teams at underage, similarly to what we've seen from Plunketts, Brigids and Cullion.
Brigids weren't at the business end of Division 1 u13 championship but they still produced a team that could compete at that level which is a big step in the right direction."
There is great credit to all the people in Southern Gaels.I think they played division 2 finals at 13,15 and 17 winning 2 of them and are in the under 19 final v Plunketts tomorrow.The Camogie is growing quickly as well.They are also producing 1 or 2 lads at each grade for county panels which is a big boost for Westmeath.I think an Intermediate title in the next couple of years and getting 1 or 2 underage teams to Division 1 can be done.

jobber (Westmeath) - Posts: 1352 - 10/11/2023 14:58:03    2512376

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Replying To jobber:  "There is great credit to all the people in Southern Gaels.I think they played division 2 finals at 13,15 and 17 winning 2 of them and are in the under 19 final v Plunketts tomorrow.The Camogie is growing quickly as well.They are also producing 1 or 2 lads at each grade for county panels which is a big boost for Westmeath.I think an Intermediate title in the next couple of years and getting 1 or 2 underage teams to Division 1 can be done."
People on here have been discussing the standard at senior B during the year.We got a good indication today.

jobber (Westmeath) - Posts: 1352 - 11/11/2023 16:08:17    2512432

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Replying To jobber:  "People on here have been discussing the standard at senior B during the year.We got a good indication today."
You might be right with your verdict that Plunketts are a few years too early for Senior A hurling. I can't see them getting to within 10 points of any of the sides next year. They need a few years before they can make an impact with underage talent coming through.
The Senior B teams need to vastly improve if any of them want to put in a decent run at Leinster or even try hold their own at Senior A in the county.

Dheen (Westmeath) - Posts: 680 - 11/11/2023 17:01:41    2512438

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Replying To Dheen:  "You might be right with your verdict that Plunketts are a few years too early for Senior A hurling. I can't see them getting to within 10 points of any of the sides next year. They need a few years before they can make an impact with underage talent coming through.
The Senior B teams need to vastly improve if any of them want to put in a decent run at Leinster or even try hold their own at Senior A in the county."
No denying that.The only road though is constant year in year out underage development.Plunketts,Southern Gaels Delvin,Cullion and Daltons on their own and Clan Na Gael,Na Piarsaigh and St Vincents amalgamations.It will be a long slog but doable over a decade and not all will make it.

jobber (Westmeath) - Posts: 1352 - 11/11/2023 17:49:05    2512442

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Replying To jobber:  "No denying that.The only road though is constant year in year out underage development.Plunketts,Southern Gaels Delvin,Cullion and Daltons on their own and Clan Na Gael,Na Piarsaigh and St Vincents amalgamations.It will be a long slog but doable over a decade and not all will make it."
And how Raharney fair tomorrow will give us an indicator of where our top level club hurling is at. I expect the deelsiders to give a good account of themselves. They have the forwards.

Dheen (Westmeath) - Posts: 680 - 11/11/2023 18:03:22    2512446

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well Ringtown did take Black and whites (was it?)) to extra time last year and were unlucky, and we all know kilkenny at junior and intermediate is v strong, so today was a tad disappointing from plunketts.
im hoping Raharney can do something tommorow, leinster is open enough

preddan (Kildare) - Posts: 715 - 11/11/2023 18:15:51    2512449

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