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Leinster is surely wide open now with Ballyhale beaten, hard to gauge how good Na Fianna are as BBoden were very poor,

Bigjoe1 (Westmeath) - Posts: 35 - 29/10/2023 17:54:56    2510859

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Replying To jobber:  "high quality game.Clonkill a very nice team but Clann Na Gael have some very talented young hurlers.Its been a long time since Brownstown and Castlepollard had underage success but like Na Piarsaigh they are making underage hurling in the county very competitive"
With the size of the Castlepollard area you would have to question why they cannot field on their own at underage.
I heard from a co board official that Clann had over 30 players togged out for that final.
I think more work should be done there rather than having to amalgamate. Good to see Clann get a championship win all the same.

Left Full (Westmeath) - Posts: 238 - 29/10/2023 20:27:45    2510878

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Na fianna vs raharney. Can't see anything other than a win for the Dublin club.

Premier12345 (Tipperary) - Posts: 38 - 30/10/2023 07:59:11    2510892

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Replying To Yellow&Green:  "Seen both teams first hand and Clonkill are far superior.They hammered Clan Na Gaels in round 5. The only difference Clonkill were respectful to the weaker clubs and tailored there teams to suit the opposition."
Dont think you will be a bookie or a tipster.

jobber (Westmeath) - Posts: 1351 - 30/10/2023 09:20:09    2510897

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Replying To Left Full:  "With the size of the Castlepollard area you would have to question why they cannot field on their own at underage.
I heard from a co board official that Clann had over 30 players togged out for that final.
I think more work should be done there rather than having to amalgamate. Good to see Clann get a championship win all the same."
Castlepollard well able to field on their own but want the Brownstown players to strengthen them to compete for winning trophies instead of developing what they have… the same is true for Lough Lene Gaels at this level, they lean on the couple of strong players that Turin provide to NaPiarsaigh to try and win something, in reality they have enough numbers to field alone. It's a common theme with some of the amalgamations around the county, there is one side with enough numbers who just want the couple of strong lads that the side who can't field have, and don't care if some of their own weaker lads then drop off. What happens then is fewer teams with squads of 30 plus and kids being left behind, instead of the powers that be doing a bit of work in this area and maybe amalgamating the two teams that need it and letting the other two go alone.
ie Team A has 23 players and is amalgamated with team B who have 12 - 35 players
Team C has 24 players and is amalgamated with team D who has 10 - 34 players
This creates two teams with oversized squads, whereas if team B and Team D amalgamated, and teams A and C went alone , developing the numbers they have, there would be 3 teams with manageable squad and more game time for more kids…
I think the county board need to seriously look into this.
Which I ask you would be better for the development of the sport??

CleanShoulder (Westmeath) - Posts: 256 - 30/10/2023 11:14:59    2510919

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Replying To Premier12345:  "Na fianna vs raharney. Can't see anything other than a win for the Dublin club."
Hopefully the Raharney lads aren't thinking that way. The Curries are in good form. Will Donal Burke be back for the Raharney game?

Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 11134 - 30/10/2023 11:37:09    2510923

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Replying To Left Full:  "With the size of the Castlepollard area you would have to question why they cannot field on their own at underage.
I heard from a co board official that Clann had over 30 players togged out for that final.
I think more work should be done there rather than having to amalgamate. Good to see Clann get a championship win all the same."
Numbers very low in Castlepollard NS. Going to struggle for a while. Might have had 10 subs at U13 final but only brought 1 on. Clonkill used 5 subs. NO 12 Conor Raleigh from Clan na Gael is a special talent. Scored 5-06 in the final.

midfield9 (Westmeath) - Posts: 102 - 30/10/2023 11:41:53    2510928

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Replying To Premier12345:  "Na fianna vs raharney. Can't see anything other than a win for the Dublin club."
Raharney will need to keep iron tabs on the Currie brothers and have the Doyle lads on full song to pull out a win.
Ballyboden were awful and couldn't even manage the basics. They certainly made Na Fianna look like world beaters.

35OLT (USA) - Posts: 80 - 30/10/2023 14:29:04    2510943

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Replying To Left Full:  "With the size of the Castlepollard area you would have to question why they cannot field on their own at underage.
I heard from a co board official that Clann had over 30 players togged out for that final.
I think more work should be done there rather than having to amalgamate. Good to see Clann get a championship win all the same."
That's what I heard. Also Clan introduced 1 sub from the panel in last 5 and clonkill made 5 substitutions through out the match. As I said earlier it's great to see them win and more power to them but why amalgamate if you've enough players. Or at least enter two teams one in Div 2

Greenandgoldie (Westmeath) - Posts: 98 - 30/10/2023 15:06:39    2510944

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Brownstown apparently had 9 starters on Clann Gael team,

Claretandblue (Westmeath) - Posts: 1382 - 30/10/2023 16:22:18    2510947

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Replying To Left Full:  "With the size of the Castlepollard area you would have to question why they cannot field on their own at underage.
I heard from a co board official that Clann had over 30 players togged out for that final.
I think more work should be done there rather than having to amalgamate. Good to see Clann get a championship win all the same."
Are you joking?Lough Lene Gaels territory comes in as far as Mooretown,Ringtown on both the Mullingar Road and Coole road almost into the village while the Meath border is a couple of miles away.

jobber (Westmeath) - Posts: 1351 - 30/10/2023 16:23:28    2510948

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Replying To Dheen:  "Any idea of how many players Brownstown and Pollard have on that team? What's the split"
Mostly Pollard, there is a Raleigh lad from Brownstown playing number 12 and he was the difference between the sides, as it has been said Pollard have the numbers but need the few Brownstown lads to win.

stonemadbeany (USA) - Posts: 532 - 30/10/2023 16:50:58    2510951

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Replying To CleanShoulder:  "Castlepollard well able to field on their own but want the Brownstown players to strengthen them to compete for winning trophies instead of developing what they have… the same is true for Lough Lene Gaels at this level, they lean on the couple of strong players that Turin provide to NaPiarsaigh to try and win something, in reality they have enough numbers to field alone. It's a common theme with some of the amalgamations around the county, there is one side with enough numbers who just want the couple of strong lads that the side who can't field have, and don't care if some of their own weaker lads then drop off. What happens then is fewer teams with squads of 30 plus and kids being left behind, instead of the powers that be doing a bit of work in this area and maybe amalgamating the two teams that need it and letting the other two go alone.
ie Team A has 23 players and is amalgamated with team B who have 12 - 35 players
Team C has 24 players and is amalgamated with team D who has 10 - 34 players
This creates two teams with oversized squads, whereas if team B and Team D amalgamated, and teams A and C went alone , developing the numbers they have, there would be 3 teams with manageable squad and more game time for more kids…
I think the county board need to seriously look into this.
Which I ask you would be better for the development of the sport??"
The idea behind independent teams is to build a structure of competitiveness and a juvenile set up that's akin to a club set up. Under your suggestion there'd be different independent teams every year depending on club numbers. That's not feasible or practical

Claretandblue (Westmeath) - Posts: 1382 - 30/10/2023 18:10:41    2510962

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Clubs up the north of the county doing everything they can to be competitive and being knocked by posters here, it's ridiculous.
Smaller schools, less population and surrounded by other hurling clubs.
Just because a school has 10 children in a class, don't assume they all play gaa

valley84 (Westmeath) - Posts: 1884 - 30/10/2023 20:19:09    2510980

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It's incorrect for poster above to say mostly Pollard lads starting on that Clann Gael team, at least 8 starters from Brownstown if not 9.

Claretandblue (Westmeath) - Posts: 1382 - 30/10/2023 21:02:53    2510984

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Replying To jobber:  "Dont think you will be a bookie or a tipster."
16 score to 15...but goals win games..Personally I thought the Clonkill management were a bit nieve and didn't try to stop the Clan Na Gaels threat.. Castletown done a better job in the semi final.Them couple of Brownstown lads are serious hurlers.. Same as yourself we always get a few calls wrong..

Yellow&Green (Westmeath) - Posts: 31 - 31/10/2023 01:10:52    2511000

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Replying To Left Full:  "With the size of the Castlepollard area you would have to question why they cannot field on their own at underage.
I heard from a co board official that Clann had over 30 players togged out for that final.
I think more work should be done there rather than having to amalgamate. Good to see Clann get a championship win all the same."
Are you aware that the Castlepollard hurling club pick is from inside the town speed limits only? Every road out of the town after that is taking by other clubs I.E Ringtown, LLG.

LLG comes right into Moortown, Ringtown right into Kiltoom. In relation to area Castlepollard are have one of the smallest picks in the whole county. Poor comment with little knowledge of townslands and bordering clubs.

Ashplant85. (Westmeath) - Posts: 3 - 31/10/2023 10:24:42    2511013

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Looking at the u13 grade, it seems to be a highly competitive one. 7 teams competing at division 1 which is great to see and Raharney in Division 2, which seemed competitive as well.
A lot of clubs look to have done a great job in producing quality hurlers, the likes of Conor Raleigh of Brownstown, Ryan Denning Delvin and Luke Dowling Lough Lene Gaels etc are names I've been hearing and I'm sure there's plenty more I'll start to hear more of.
I don't have enough insight into this age group but is there the potential for a strong u14 county development squad for 2024? It looks to be the case.

Dheen (Westmeath) - Posts: 680 - 31/10/2023 11:17:54    2511023

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Replying To Dheen:  "Looking at the u13 grade, it seems to be a highly competitive one. 7 teams competing at division 1 which is great to see and Raharney in Division 2, which seemed competitive as well.
A lot of clubs look to have done a great job in producing quality hurlers, the likes of Conor Raleigh of Brownstown, Ryan Denning Delvin and Luke Dowling Lough Lene Gaels etc are names I've been hearing and I'm sure there's plenty more I'll start to hear more of.
I don't have enough insight into this age group but is there the potential for a strong u14 county development squad for 2024? It looks to be the case."
It's very hard to gauge where Westmeath are at when it come to underage but from watching underage for a long number of years some of these lads are a cut above what I have seen in the past and are already producing the goods at under 15 club level as well.
- Jack McGuinness, Luke Ward and Conor Raleigh for Clan Na Gaels. Conor was exceptionally in the final and has to be a future star,fantastic catcher of a high ball.Some very solid defenders as well.
-Ben O'Louhlin probably the most skillful hurler I have seen in years and Killian Raleigh and Michael Brennan from Clonkill.
-Jonah Hassett and Darragh Daly and young Kelly for Plunkett's were excellent all year. Jonah is the star of the show for them.
- Jamie Leech (Turin) Luke Dowling and Lorcan ( second name I can't remember) were excellent for Na Piarsaigh and a match for any team.
- Liam Brogan for St.Brigid's looks to be their go to player and given the task of man marking the division 1 top players and doing alot of their scoring as well, great ball winner.
- Castletown Geoghegan have young Billy Whelan very talented, Luke Mc Donnell really good defender with skill and strength. Darren Corcoran was excellent in the couple of games I seen him especially in the semi-final.
-Ryan Denning for Delvin is a fine hurler and a lovely striker of the sliotor and great engine.
- Southern Gaels have Sam Meegan who is a match for any division 1 hurler in the county real stands out player.
At this age group a lot of the same names crop up for top footballers in the county as well so will be interesting to see were there loyalty lies. I know their are many more talented players in the county that I missed but these were the ones that stood out, I know Raharney, St.Vincent's and Cullion struggled at this age group this year so hard to pick who they have but they will be plenty of talent in their ranks.

Yellow&Green (Westmeath) - Posts: 31 - 31/10/2023 16:47:55    2511085

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Replying To Yellow&Green:  "16 score to 15...but goals win games..Personally I thought the Clonkill management were a bit nieve and didn't try to stop the Clan Na Gaels threat.. Castletown done a better job in the semi final.Them couple of Brownstown lads are serious hurlers.. Same as yourself we always get a few calls wrong.."
Clonkill had two marking Raleigh and they could do nothing about it... It's great for hurling that they won. Especially when you consider Raharney had no team in Div 1 U13.

Greenandgoldie (Westmeath) - Posts: 98 - 31/10/2023 18:35:41    2511094

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