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Replying To westmeathgaa11:  "And a subs bench of Joe rabbit, Andy dermody, colm Dermody, John McCarthy, Darragh o Reilly, Seanie Lancaster, Dan Higgins, Michael Daly, Brendan Doyle, Marcus Kennedy"
Half of that list are only intermediate standard hurlers at best.

CleanShoulder (Westmeath) - Posts: 256 - 26/08/2023 13:29:08    2502317

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Replying To Westmeathgael98:  "Plunketts will be contenders for a Senior championship before Castlepollard."
Plunkett's ae certainly going in the right direction, they have and will have a lot of good underage coming into the senior setup in the next....5 - 10 years. Won last years U15 championship, 5 or 6 on this years minor panel etc etc

Bigjoe1 (Westmeath) - Posts: 35 - 26/08/2023 14:05:31    2502322

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Replying To CleanShoulder:  "Judging by a lot of his/her previous posts on here, Dheen is almost definitely from Castlepollard with relations in Collinstown, and someone who can't see past their own team to the point of delusion. There's a lot of that craic on here."
If you removed the big 3 from the equation, there's practically nothing between the bottom 3 of the senior A and the 6 teams that appear in the senior B at the minute. Pollard and the Gaels definitely possess a little more quality than the senior B teams, but on their day I wouldn't be surprised if the senior B champions might bate one of them.

2005 was the last time a club, Pollard, outside the big 3 won a senior championship and that was when them and LLG had dominated the senior championship for over 10 years before 2005. Before that the last time a club won the senior that wasn't one of the top 5 clubs was Brownstown, which will be 30 years ago this year.

The stats don't lie. I don't have the minor roll of honour to hand, but minor winning teams usually become senior winning teams, and I'd say the amount of times a team outside the top 5 has won the minor champ is quite small in recent times. Maybe 4 or 5 times in the last 30 years. The big 3's production lines are simply unstoppable.

I remember watching an underage game in about '04 or '05, CTG had a feile division 2 winning team around that time, and were playing vs one of the bottom 10 clubs, it was an annihilation, cricket score boards wouldn't have been able to keep up with the score Castletown put up on them. No use to either team but that's the way it was and really still is.

Partly, it's a a numbers game, population issue, but even still it's not like Loughgear N.S or Raharney N.S have hundreds of extra students. Amalgamations are all well and good to keep the thing going in the smaller clubs at underage too, but there has to be a realisation that as things stand that gulf in class between the big 3 and the rest just isn't being closed and you won't see a team from the bottom 12 winning a senior for the next 30 years if it just keeps going on like this.

RadioactiveTan (UK) - Posts: 25 - 26/08/2023 16:54:58    2502337

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Replying To RadioactiveTan:  "If you removed the big 3 from the equation, there's practically nothing between the bottom 3 of the senior A and the 6 teams that appear in the senior B at the minute. Pollard and the Gaels definitely possess a little more quality than the senior B teams, but on their day I wouldn't be surprised if the senior B champions might bate one of them.

2005 was the last time a club, Pollard, outside the big 3 won a senior championship and that was when them and LLG had dominated the senior championship for over 10 years before 2005. Before that the last time a club won the senior that wasn't one of the top 5 clubs was Brownstown, which will be 30 years ago this year.

The stats don't lie. I don't have the minor roll of honour to hand, but minor winning teams usually become senior winning teams, and I'd say the amount of times a team outside the top 5 has won the minor champ is quite small in recent times. Maybe 4 or 5 times in the last 30 years. The big 3's production lines are simply unstoppable.

I remember watching an underage game in about '04 or '05, CTG had a feile division 2 winning team around that time, and were playing vs one of the bottom 10 clubs, it was an annihilation, cricket score boards wouldn't have been able to keep up with the score Castletown put up on them. No use to either team but that's the way it was and really still is.

Partly, it's a a numbers game, population issue, but even still it's not like Loughgear N.S or Raharney N.S have hundreds of extra students. Amalgamations are all well and good to keep the thing going in the smaller clubs at underage too, but there has to be a realisation that as things stand that gulf in class between the big 3 and the rest just isn't being closed and you won't see a team from the bottom 12 winning a senior for the next 30 years if it just keeps going on like this."
Looking at underage at the moment it appears Brigids, Plunketts, Southern Gaels and Cullion have good set ups and may bridge the gap over the coming years. Particularly Plunketts

Dheen (Westmeath) - Posts: 680 - 26/08/2023 18:39:23    2502348

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Replying To Dheen:  "Looking at underage at the moment it appears Brigids, Plunketts, Southern Gaels and Cullion have good set ups and may bridge the gap over the coming years. Particularly Plunketts"
That's a fair point but just looking at the underage results on the westmeath gaa site. Clonkill top of u15 and into final v Raharney..

Greenandgoldie (Westmeath) - Posts: 98 - 27/08/2023 10:05:12    2502412

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Is there a final round of fixtures this weekend? Nothing on the Westmeath gaa website. Anyone know what the senior A double header will be and the stand alone fixture.

overdabar (Westmeath) - Posts: 225 - 28/08/2023 13:24:52    2502630

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Replying To overdabar:  "Is there a final round of fixtures this weekend? Nothing on the Westmeath gaa website. Anyone know what the senior A double header will be and the stand alone fixture."
Dog on the street knows that it's football 1/4 finals this weekend and that the last round of senior A games will all be played at the same time in 3 different venues

westmeathgaa11 (Westmeath) - Posts: 205 - 28/08/2023 13:39:49    2502638

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Surely Raharney are now hot favourites for this championship. Killucan knocked out of football at weekend if Raharney beat Clonkill they will have 4 weeks straight of just hurling. They dont seem to have any injuries and also have 5 strong subs to bring on . Castletown the only team that could pip them I think.

hurlingguru20 (Westmeath) - Posts: 1 - 29/08/2023 12:05:09    2502812

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Favourites maybe but Castletown can't be discounted by any means. They're a very decent side, your point re Killucan is valid, Malachy's in quarter final this weekend and a lot of dual players, Morgan Gavigan, Two Murphys, Shane Clavin, Johnny Bermingham, Aaron Glennon, Jack Gallagher, Niall O' Brien, Aonghus Clarke, Neal Kirby, prob more.

Claretandblue (Westmeath) - Posts: 1382 - 29/08/2023 12:32:48    2502817

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Same can be said for The Downs lads playing for Clonkill

Greenandgoldie (Westmeath) - Posts: 98 - 29/08/2023 13:15:09    2502831

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Latest Odds
Castletown 5/4
Raharney 9/4
Clonkill 4/1

Greenandgoldie (Westmeath) - Posts: 98 - 29/08/2023 13:16:49    2502832

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Favourites maybe but Castletown can't be discounted by any means. They're a very decent side, your point re Killucan is valid, Malachy's in quarter final this weekend and a lot of dual players, Morgan Gavigan, Two Murphys, Shane Clavin, Johnny Bermingham, Aaron Glennon, Jack Gallagher, Niall O' Brien, Aonghus Clarke, Neal Kirby, prob more.

Claretandblue (Westmeath) - Posts: 1382 - 29/08/2023 14:04:27    2502844

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Replying To Greenandgoldie:  "Latest Odds
Castletown 5/4
Raharney 9/4
Clonkill 4/1"
So Castletown are favourites not Raharney but dont rule out Clonkill.As a rule the Black and Ambers dont do back to back titles but you wpuld have to fancy them or the blues to do it.

jobber (Westmeath) - Posts: 1351 - 29/08/2023 23:52:59    2502923

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Senior B at the weekend.

Delvin to drop to third tier.
Brownstown to come up short to Plunkett's who will top group.
Cullion to finish joint third but too much of a points difference to catch the wood or ringtown who will play out the semi final.

Credit to Kevin O'Brien who has turned Cullion around from almost certain relegation to having something to play for in last game albeit will need to overturn a 20 point points difference.

Greenandgoldie (Westmeath) - Posts: 98 - 06/09/2023 09:54:59    2503235

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Cullion can't qualify regardless of results. They have only avoiding relegation to play for, they have 3 points, Ringtown have 5, Crookedwood and Plunketts have 6, Cullion can only catch Ringtown but they lost the head to head match.

Claretandblue (Westmeath) - Posts: 1382 - 06/09/2023 10:42:54    2503251

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Replying To Greenandgoldie:  "Senior B at the weekend.

Delvin to drop to third tier.
Brownstown to come up short to Plunkett's who will top group.
Cullion to finish joint third but too much of a points difference to catch the wood or ringtown who will play out the semi final.

Credit to Kevin O'Brien who has turned Cullion around from almost certain relegation to having something to play for in last game albeit will need to overturn a 20 point points difference."
Cullion can't make the semis, if they win and Ringtown lose Ringtown will stay above them on head to head. The Wood are on 6pts and can't be caught by Cullion. Brownstown to be relegated imo, Delvin & Cullion to win their respective games. Plunketts straight to final, Wood v Ringtown semi.

stonemadbeany (USA) - Posts: 532 - 06/09/2023 11:10:09    2503257

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Raharney vs Clonkill - although both teams forms are on different trajectories this year I expect it to be tight even without Niall Mitchell, Raharney often struggle over clonkill. It would take a brave man to bet on this game but I'm calling clonkill to pip them by one

Castletown vs LLG - I think Castletown should have way too much for Collinstown, Castletown should have accounted for Raharney in my opinion and in aonghus, Niall and David o Reilly have 3 of the in form hurlers. Will ciaran glennon be back in the goals? Collinstown suffered when playing against quality forwards the last day out and I'm not convinced by their 6 backs, maybe jogger can steady the ship back there and shore up that full back line. Even less convinced by their forwards after Raharney. Castletown by 5

Pollard vs daltons- as poor as pollard have been I think they should have too much quality for daltons who really struggled against clonkill, is Darragh McCormack back?

westmeathgaa11 (Westmeath) - Posts: 205 - 06/09/2023 13:58:33    2503304

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Replying To stonemadbeany:  "Cullion can't make the semis, if they win and Ringtown lose Ringtown will stay above them on head to head. The Wood are on 6pts and can't be caught by Cullion. Brownstown to be relegated imo, Delvin & Cullion to win their respective games. Plunketts straight to final, Wood v Ringtown semi."
No head to head in senior B.

Greenandgoldie (Westmeath) - Posts: 98 - 06/09/2023 14:35:20    2503308

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Replying To westmeathgaa11:  "Raharney vs Clonkill - although both teams forms are on different trajectories this year I expect it to be tight even without Niall Mitchell, Raharney often struggle over clonkill. It would take a brave man to bet on this game but I'm calling clonkill to pip them by one

Castletown vs LLG - I think Castletown should have way too much for Collinstown, Castletown should have accounted for Raharney in my opinion and in aonghus, Niall and David o Reilly have 3 of the in form hurlers. Will ciaran glennon be back in the goals? Collinstown suffered when playing against quality forwards the last day out and I'm not convinced by their 6 backs, maybe jogger can steady the ship back there and shore up that full back line. Even less convinced by their forwards after Raharney. Castletown by 5

Pollard vs daltons- as poor as pollard have been I think they should have too much quality for daltons who really struggled against clonkill, is Darragh McCormack back?"
Raharney V Clonkill : The winners of this will go on to win the championship in my opinion. Clonkill to win as they've more to play for. If they lose they are gone. Raharney are through regardless of the outcome of this game.

CTG V Lough Lene Gaels. CTG to win comfortably. Gaels need Raharney to do them a favour to keep them in championship.

Pollard v Fr Daltons. Pollard by 7/8 Daltons back to Senior B.

Greenandgoldie (Westmeath) - Posts: 98 - 06/09/2023 14:41:27    2503309

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Different rules for different competitions? Doubtful I'd say.

Claretandblue (Westmeath) - Posts: 1382 - 06/09/2023 14:46:15    2503311

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