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Replying To Bunbros11:  "Are you naïve enough to think that other clubs in the county don't put pressure on their dual players to only choose one code?"
Sure give an example of another club?

Dheen (Westmeath) - Posts: 421 - 27/07/2022 13:00:18    2434846

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Replying To Thechick:  "Nonsense comment, suggests that players in their twenties cant make up their own minds, that there press ganged into playing one sport or another.In this day and age i dont know to many competitive lads in their twenties that if they really wanted to hurl would let anyone tell them they cant."
Whats nonsense is your notion that lads in their twenties cant be influenced by powerful people who suggest give that hurling up or you wont get your place.Lomans have poached players from several north Westmeath junior football clubs who were inter county hurlers at underage but arent hurling anywhere now.Why isnt that happening elsewhere?

jobber (Westmeath) - Posts: 1092 - 27/07/2022 16:15:31    2434911

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Replying To Dheen:  "Sure give an example of another club?"
Have it on authority that there are St Marys Rochfortbridge players who are no longer playing with St Brigids due to a similar situation, Multyfarnham footballers not committing to Crookedwood due to pressures within the club and the same with Castlepollard hurlers being discouraged from playing with Ballycomoyle

CleanShoulder (Westmeath) - Posts: 179 - 27/07/2022 17:31:55    2434938

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Replying To jobber:  "Whats nonsense is your notion that lads in their twenties cant be influenced by powerful people who suggest give that hurling up or you wont get your place.Lomans have poached players from several north Westmeath junior football clubs who were inter county hurlers at underage but arent hurling anywhere now.Why isnt that happening elsewhere?"
Happens in Kerry a lot. I can think of two lads who are on the Kerry extended football panel this year who won Sam McGuire, as in they would number 38 or 39 on the panel and they would be huge additions to the Kerry senior hurling team.

They barely play club hurling anymore.

Past hurler (None) - Posts: 445 - 27/07/2022 21:42:15    2434978

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Senior hurling championship proving enthralling already. Clonkill odds on to reach senior final having beaten two main challengers in four days. Huge victories for a young team, Cullion brought down to earth after their fantastic performance at weekend, Castlepollard were superb in giving them a bit of a trouncing and Cullion now face a mammoth task to avoid relegation as they play the three top teams in remaining fixtures, their main hope may be that the Gaels will struggle to accumulate many more points. Vital last gap win for Castletown which could prove crucial in reaching semi final. Clonkill the team to beat and they'll feel confident about winning all five group games.

Claretandblue (Westmeath) - Posts: 758 - 27/07/2022 21:42:25    2434979

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Following last nights results Clonkill are in prime position to go straight to the senior final, they have certainly surprised everyone in the first two rounds. Castletown with a vital win & should do enough to meet Raharney in the semi final. Cullion will drop following last nights defeat by Pollard.
Senior B will be tight to call but having seen Daltons in their first two games they will be hard beaten.

Left Full (Westmeath) - Posts: 214 - 28/07/2022 08:19:51    2434985

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Any reactions to last nights games lads, only game I seen was Castletown v LLG, not a bad game but sloppy at times, Castletown put to the pin of their collar by an under strength gaels team,
Another good win for the men of clonkill who seem to be motoring very well,
Massive win for pollard by all accounts, we're cullion down any main men or what happened?
Next round of games vital for a few teams with aspirations to stay in the championship

James73 (Westmeath) - Posts: 40 - 28/07/2022 08:47:43    2434988

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Replying To CleanShoulder:  "Have it on authority that there are St Marys Rochfortbridge players who are no longer playing with St Brigids due to a similar situation, Multyfarnham footballers not committing to Crookedwood due to pressures within the club and the same with Castlepollard hurlers being discouraged from playing with Ballycomoyle"
You can bet your life savings that LLG will also be encouraging their dual players not to play junior football this weekend ahead of what is a crunch game with raharney next week

Bunbros11 (Westmeath) - Posts: 54 - 28/07/2022 10:33:49    2435025

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Replying To James73:  "Any reactions to last nights games lads, only game I seen was Castletown v LLG, not a bad game but sloppy at times, Castletown put to the pin of their collar by an under strength gaels team,
Another good win for the men of clonkill who seem to be motoring very well,
Massive win for pollard by all accounts, we're cullion down any main men or what happened?
Next round of games vital for a few teams with aspirations to stay in the championship"
Castletown were without Aonghus Clarke and Shane Clavin.
David O'Reilly and Peter Clarke excellent for Castletown as was Morgan Gavigan.
Davy Williams had a good game for the Gaels

Dheen (Westmeath) - Posts: 421 - 28/07/2022 11:46:55    2435042

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There's huge commitment involved now in club football/hurling. The level of training is more frequent and intense than it ever was . A good part of the reason dual players are becoming rarer is that it's simply tough to do one code never mind balance two.

It's a massive undertaking to be available for matches and training with 2 codes. It's a significant lifestyle choice as much as anything, your weekends are done for most of the year. I know plenty of ex-players who will ask the question of why did gave so much to it. Not that they weren't in love with the sport, more so that they missed out on work/life opportunities that they don't have after retiring.

Yes, there 100% are clubs/influences pushing the one code agenda. However, at the same time, lads are quite often making these choices on their own.

gedupoutofit (Westmeath) - Posts: 148 - 28/07/2022 12:10:07    2435052

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Interesting to note that the Westmeath Topic this week leads the sports pages with 'Player wefare a concern for GAA clubs and players'. I did think it was too quiet on this front so at lease some of the hurling managers have spoken out - Pat O'Toole, Alan Mangan and Brendan McKeogh. In response Chair of CB acknowledges the issue but also talks about the format was agreed with clubs and they have know about the fixtures schedule for months. Sounds like they are looking at some tweaks but at this stage the damage is done unless they postpone next week's hurling. Remember in the football they do have an extra week or 2 at the other end as WH have a bye in the 1st round of Leinster.

BigSur (Westmeath) - Posts: 970 - 28/07/2022 13:55:43    2435088

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Replying To BigSur:  "Interesting to note that the Westmeath Topic this week leads the sports pages with 'Player wefare a concern for GAA clubs and players'. I did think it was too quiet on this front so at lease some of the hurling managers have spoken out - Pat O'Toole, Alan Mangan and Brendan McKeogh. In response Chair of CB acknowledges the issue but also talks about the format was agreed with clubs and they have know about the fixtures schedule for months. Sounds like they are looking at some tweaks but at this stage the damage is done unless they postpone next week's hurling. Remember in the football they do have an extra week or 2 at the other end as WH have a bye in the 1st round of Leinster."
County boards should be pushing the Leinster council to conduct these draws earlier. No reason why it couldn't be done a year in advance. If they'd known that the county champions would get a bye in the 1st round then this fixture format would never have been even suggested.

jamsie (Westmeath) - Posts: 362 - 28/07/2022 15:52:19    2435116

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Definitely one of the best suggestions I've heard in a long time. Leinster Council should make draws in January.

Claretandblue (Westmeath) - Posts: 758 - 28/07/2022 16:47:39    2435133

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Replying To jobber:  "Whats nonsense is your notion that lads in their twenties cant be influenced by powerful people who suggest give that hurling up or you wont get your place.Lomans have poached players from several north Westmeath junior football clubs who were inter county hurlers at underage but arent hurling anywhere now.Why isnt that happening elsewhere?"
Powerful people, you watch to much Netflix

Thechick (Westmeath) - Posts: 162 - 29/07/2022 07:06:59    2435169

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With there being all the fixtures was there actually many injuries ? It is utter madness for 30 plus years olds to play both codes in quick succession, how are all the pollards lads, Castletown, who play primarily both and other clubs 2 very hard on managers 2 not to play there stronger lads.
Has anyone got injured out of it ? Then can use it as leverage to the county board for following years

PowellJohn (Westmeath) - Posts: 85 - 29/07/2022 21:20:56    2435316

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Senior clubs can probably do without their dual players fully committing or attending training/games

Smaller clubs like Turin need all their players. Its a disgrace if managers of senior football clubs are putting pressure on young lads not to play hurling with their clubs and the same for playing junior football.
As for the young lads - the big club will only want you when you're talented, the smaller club will always want players

valley84 (Westmeath) - Posts: 1862 - 30/07/2022 09:46:46    2435333

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Wasn't one of cullions best players not available last year for the big leinster qtr final game against ballinakill from laois I think but he was on the lomans panel for the football the day after and he does not even start I think. That was a big loss for cullion. There's some sort of pressure being put on players it looks to me in some form

preddan (Kildare) - Posts: 637 - 31/07/2022 11:19:12    2435567

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Sean Leech, Niall Mitchell, Darragh Egerton, Cillian Doyle, Sean Quinn, Eoin Keyes, Luke Loughlin, John Gilligan, David O' Reilly, Johnny Bermingham and several others can perform the dual role still at a high level in both codes, credit to them, the likes of Turin and Plunketts especially have no leeway when it comes to players being unavailable, Turin have lost three matches out of four in intermediate championship, Plunketts winless too.

Claretandblue (Westmeath) - Posts: 758 - 31/07/2022 14:39:29    2435599

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Turin and Cullion got some hammering last night in the Intermediate. LLG couldnt even field. You would imagine its Ringtowns year unless CTG/Clonkill/Raharney catch them.

In the senior you would fancy Clonkill to dismiss Pollard in Joristown and CTG to get over Cullion. The Gaels and Raharney on Monday will be close. Very hard on lads with the Fleadh on.

Brownstown, the wood and Delvin to win in Senior B.

soreknee (Westmeath) - Posts: 160 - 05/08/2022 12:47:42    2436322

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Didn't get to Friday evening match as was tied up at the fleadh, any reports on how it played out? Castlepollard finished closer to Clonkill than I would have expected. On the subject of the fleadh I think Collinstown pulled a fast one over their next opponents, got the game pushed back to tomorrow evening citing the involvement of dual players in football on Monday and then banned them all from playing, bought themselves a few days to get lads back who would've been missing. Was speaking with a few Raharney players who are very unhappy that the game was pushed back as it prevented them from getting to enjoy a proper night out at the fleadh, don't blame them being annoyed as all their dual players played their football fixtures last weekend and were fine to play the original fixture. Bit of gamesmanship at play from the gaels with this one.
Clonkill safely through to the knockouts anyway, fair play to them, actually thought they'd be pushed for third spot this year but quite the opposite. Looks like the usual suspects at the business end as would now expect Raharney and Castletown to join them without too much fuss, although Castletown are not firing as well as the last couple of years but still in a comfortable enough position with the games they've left. Cullion to make the drop straight back…
In the other grades I'd be expecting Delvin and Dalton's to secure knockouts tomorrow and then fight it out for top spot, Brownstown and the Wood will battle for the last spot which could come down to score difference. Plunketts and Brigids have been disappointing and will play for relegation among each other.
The third tier has been a non contest so far, poorly contested and even walkovers given, why bother entering if you haven't the players. Ringtown will play one of the second teams for the title, Turin and Southern Gaels struggling to make any underage gains count at adult level.

CleanShoulder (Westmeath) - Posts: 179 - 07/08/2022 16:01:18    2436547

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