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Really poor weekend for both our county teams. Based on recent performances both managers are under pressure

martyW (Westmeath) - Posts: 285 - 07/03/2022 07:29:47    2404161

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I fancy Kerry to win division 2 now. They are the form team. They were missing the 5 Kilmoyley players when they played Westmeath in the earlier round, you can see now the difference them 5 players are making to their team.

Past hurler (None) - Posts: 457 - 07/03/2022 08:23:39    2404165

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Thought things this time last year were bad under Shane O'brien but when you think about it westmeath were in division 1 in the stronger section of it too playing the likes of Cork, limerick, tipp, Galway, Waterford. losing to Down no disrespect to them at home is awful stuff, one of the smallest picks in the country to chose from and top of division 2, you'd wonder has a lot of the standard of these teams gone back from what they were and where they were trying to work to. meath, carlow, kerry definitely nowhere as good as they were and westmeath you'd expect should have pushed on this year. As far as I remember maybe I wrong the last time westmeath lost to down at home was in 2003 nearly 20 years when the team seemed to be going nowhere stuck in transition. It will be hard to make the final now and kildare seem to be beginning to hold their own them and down seem to be the only teams that have improved slightly in the past year

preddan (Kildare) - Posts: 647 - 07/03/2022 09:03:59    2404174

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In order for us to make the final, we need to beat Kildare away and we need Down to beat Kerry at home, a very tough ask with the way things are going. The inconsistency is alarming, I won't put all the blame on Joe Fortune as the players have responsibility as well and they have let themselves down massively so far in this league campaign. Niall O'Brien and Davy Glennon will improve us but the problems seem to run deeper unfortunately.

Dheen (Westmeath) - Posts: 436 - 07/03/2022 10:50:23    2404194

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Is it not top team straight to final and 2 and 3 play semi? We can't make final directly as either Down or Kerry will get more points. Beating Kildare obviously necessary. Anything else surely mean staying in group.

Claretandblue (Westmeath) - Posts: 813 - 07/03/2022 11:46:42    2404214

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Replying To Claretandblue:  "Is it not top team straight to final and 2 and 3 play semi? We can't make final directly as either Down or Kerry will get more points. Beating Kildare obviously necessary. Anything else surely mean staying in group."
I wasn't aware that their is a semi final? If that's the case then we are still in contention to make that?

Dheen (Westmeath) - Posts: 436 - 07/03/2022 11:58:01    2404219

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Replying To Claretandblue:  "Is it not top team straight to final and 2 and 3 play semi? We can't make final directly as either Down or Kerry will get more points. Beating Kildare obviously necessary. Anything else surely mean staying in group."
Yes.
The winners of Kerry v Down in the last games will go straight to the final and then the 2nd and 3rd spot battle in out in a semi final.

Kildare will be no pushover.

Past hurler (None) - Posts: 457 - 07/03/2022 12:20:37    2404225

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A draw with Kildare means probable elimination too as we'd have five points and Carlow will surely beat Meath and qualify on basis of head to head although as I type this I realise that would mean three teams on five points which would mean score difference. Carlow might have advantage knowing they'll need to beat Meath comprehensively

Claretandblue (Westmeath) - Posts: 813 - 07/03/2022 12:50:00    2404239

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Just realised Carlow win and draw vs Kildare means elimination as they'd be ahead on head to head.

Claretandblue (Westmeath) - Posts: 813 - 07/03/2022 12:53:01    2404245

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Replying To Claretandblue:  "Just realised Carlow win and draw vs Kildare means elimination as they'd be ahead on head to head."
So we can settle for nothing less than a win against Kildare away. We've really left ourselves with it all to do.

Dheen (Westmeath) - Posts: 436 - 07/03/2022 13:28:46    2404261

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Really inconsistent performances from the team this spring. Same for Carlow oddly enough. Granted, Down played very well at the weekend and are a very decent team. Maybe westmeath have gone backwards from last year whereas the other teams in the division have kicked on. I don't really fancy the chances against Kildare in the next match so we could be looking at another year in 2A.

35OLT (USA) - Posts: 59 - 08/03/2022 16:33:30    2404500

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Replying To 35OLT:  "Really inconsistent performances from the team this spring. Same for Carlow oddly enough. Granted, Down played very well at the weekend and are a very decent team. Maybe westmeath have gone backwards from last year whereas the other teams in the division have kicked on. I don't really fancy the chances against Kildare in the next match so we could be looking at another year in 2A."
Yeah I agree, if we play like we did against Down it'll be another year in 2A. Hopefully Niall O'Brien and Davy Glennon will be fit to play this weekend because we badly need them.

Dheen (Westmeath) - Posts: 436 - 08/03/2022 19:30:17    2404532

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Should have just enough to get over Kildare this weekend which would secure a semi final spot. Absolutely blessed that Carlow slipped up the last day, otherwise we'd be looking at a possible early exit regardless of the result on Sunday, which would be extremely embarrassing. As it stands though it does not bode well for the upcoming championship having lost 2 games in this division and in hindsight were lucky that Kerry were understrength the first day out. Underwhelming campaign so far, but a chance now to kick some life into it.

locklanegale (Wexford) - Posts: 68 - 11/03/2022 11:11:40    2404886

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Replying To locklanegale:  "Should have just enough to get over Kildare this weekend which would secure a semi final spot. Absolutely blessed that Carlow slipped up the last day, otherwise we'd be looking at a possible early exit regardless of the result on Sunday, which would be extremely embarrassing. As it stands though it does not bode well for the upcoming championship having lost 2 games in this division and in hindsight were lucky that Kerry were understrength the first day out. Underwhelming campaign so far, but a chance now to kick some life into it."
Poor against Kerry but we win, awful against Carlow lose, Very good against Meath win, poor gainst Down lose and now good today against Kildare. What is going on with our Hurlers. We now have to put in a serious performance next weekend to make the final.Are two good games in a row beyond us?

jobber (Westmeath) - Posts: 1093 - 20/03/2022 14:56:47    2405923

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Replying To locklanegale:  "Should have just enough to get over Kildare this weekend which would secure a semi final spot. Absolutely blessed that Carlow slipped up the last day, otherwise we'd be looking at a possible early exit regardless of the result on Sunday, which would be extremely embarrassing. As it stands though it does not bode well for the upcoming championship having lost 2 games in this division and in hindsight were lucky that Kerry were understrength the first day out. Underwhelming campaign so far, but a chance now to kick some life into it."
Good to get a result away to Kildare which puts us into a semi final vs Kerry.
It has been an underwhelming campaign so far without a doubt but we are in a position now to change that. Davy Glennon came on towards the end today, and hopefully Niall O'Brien will be fit to play the next day. We need to get back to our form of the end of last season.
Why isn't Josh Coll involved this year? I see him as a big loss, talented young player who put in some great performances last year, particularly down in Pairc Ui Caoimh against Cork.

Dheen (Westmeath) - Posts: 436 - 20/03/2022 15:02:41    2405924

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Replying To Dheen:  "Good to get a result away to Kildare which puts us into a semi final vs Kerry.
It has been an underwhelming campaign so far without a doubt but we are in a position now to change that. Davy Glennon came on towards the end today, and hopefully Niall O'Brien will be fit to play the next day. We need to get back to our form of the end of last season.
Why isn't Josh Coll involved this year? I see him as a big loss, talented young player who put in some great performances last year, particularly down in Pairc Ui Caoimh against Cork."
Apparently Cox pulled himself off the panel. I cant understand how inconsistent we are.I think we will be home to Kerry on the head to head but we do better with them in Tralee. We need to get our act together big time.Some imagine we are a division 1 team.Well we havent shown that so far this league.

jobber (Westmeath) - Posts: 1093 - 20/03/2022 15:48:13    2405930

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Replying To jobber:  "Poor against Kerry but we win, awful against Carlow lose, Very good against Meath win, poor gainst Down lose and now good today against Kildare. What is going on with our Hurlers. We now have to put in a serious performance next weekend to make the final.Are two good games in a row beyond us?"
No consistency under current management Jobber

Dheen (Westmeath) - Posts: 436 - 20/03/2022 15:52:38    2405932

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Replying To Dheen:  "No consistency under current management Jobber"
Well lets be fair Dheen they are only there a few months and until Joe Mcdonagh last year we were also very up and down. I think they improved things a little this week with more mobility in the forwards.I think the backs are fine but all our problems come from midfield and attack.We are miles behind with our underage and 20s S&C an issue that need s so bringing in these lads means fifteen minutes at best.

jobber (Westmeath) - Posts: 1093 - 20/03/2022 18:07:08    2405970

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Replying To jobber:  "Well lets be fair Dheen they are only there a few months and until Joe Mcdonagh last year we were also very up and down. I think they improved things a little this week with more mobility in the forwards.I think the backs are fine but all our problems come from midfield and attack.We are miles behind with our underage and 20s S&C an issue that need s so bringing in these lads means fifteen minutes at best."
That's what I've noticed with our u20s, they bet Meath there last weekend and some very skilful players but the majority of them are 17/18 and too light. They'll naturally fill out over time but we should be putting work into them now.

Dheen (Westmeath) - Posts: 436 - 20/03/2022 19:02:47    2405988

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It's worrying that our under 20 s side has a majority of players also eligible next year and in some cases in 2024 for this grade. The aim of our 20s is to ensure a conveyor belt to the senior side, ultimately we're not going to win a Leinster title or even get to a final so this side is a development squad for the future. We need 2-3 players from each year to progress onto senior panel and that's more difficult if majority of players are teenagers. The modern game in both codes needs players at least 22-23 before they're fit for senior. Our senior squad is unchanged for last 5-6 years and we need young talent coming through.

Claretandblue (Westmeath) - Posts: 813 - 20/03/2022 20:38:15    2406035

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