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Back to the football...a difficult looking trip to Antrim this weekend...anyone think we can win this game? If we loose we really ate starting to run out of games stringfellohawk (Wicklow) - Posts: 124 - 14/02/2022 15:54:29 2400330 Link 0 |
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In all honesty I don't know. Wicklow played well against Westmeath who are the best team in Division 3 and will be promoted; up to when we lost a player to a red card. However, we had a disappointing performance last day against Fermanagh which has us under pressure. We should be able to beat the current Fermanagh team at home. I don't understand why Kevin Quinn didn't start the Fermanagh game. There may be a valid reason but already he could be the difference in games like against Fermanagh and this game against Antrim. We care very inconsistent and don't play full games so it really depends on which version of the team shows up. Best of luck to team and management.
wicklowsupport (Wicklow) - Posts: 1910 - 14/02/2022 17:21:39 2400359 Link 0 |
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Hard to see us getting a result here. Corrigan park has never been a happy hunting ground but we need to keep the margin as close as possible if we dont pull off a surprise win as score difference could be vital at the end of the league if we end up withe same number of points as 2 other teams.. We have to vary our game with more direct ball and using the width of the pitch instead of trying to work it down the middle through the lines with the usual turnovers being coughed up.Jackson will be a huge loss if he is still injured not only for the kickouts but for his freetaking from distance. I feell his linjury cost us the game against Fermanagh as he would surely have nailed all the late frees late in the game as he was in great kicking form judging by his kicking against the strong wind in the first half. Optimisticobserver (Wicklow) - Posts: 125 - 14/02/2022 17:41:26 2400366 Link 0 |
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We're not a hurling county, there is five (being generous) serious hurling clubs in the county. The senior hurling championship in the county is a bit of a non-competition as it's the same teams just playing each other over and over again. I think the only towns in the county that prioritise hurling are Bray and Carnew (Glenealy/Rathnew prioritise football). If I was a half-decent hurler and footballer in Wicklow Town I know which code I'd be picking, the football championship in Wicklow is a much better product. Victorious87 (Wicklow) - Posts: 597 - 15/02/2022 14:46:45 2400507 Link 0 |
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I've said it before on this forum that Wicklow have a signifcantly better opportunity of progressing up the ranks in Hurling than we have in Football. Hawkeye2 (Wicklow) - Posts: 121 - 16/02/2022 18:38:44 2400769 Link 0 |
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I do think that there is merit in putting resources into one code in the hope of progressing to a point where we are competitive at a reasonable high level; in either hurling or football. If there was a cost/benefit analysis, consultation with clubs, players etc and analysis of the various structures, it would highlight which code offers us the best chance. With regard to an external body coming in and sorting out what has gone and continues to go internally, again i think that would be a way forward but will it happen? No, i can't see any such move being made in the near future. It isn't the GAA way. There has to be something seriously wrong within the county for us to fail abysmally for over 130+ years. If we were getting it right at some level, we would have had somethibg to show for our efforts in that period but to have liitle or nothing in either code is probably harder to achieve than actually having some success. In every county there are hangers on as i call them; people whose time is up but they refuse to leave the stage. Other county boards find a way to move on regardless so it is possible but is there enough ambition to make it happen in Wicklow? wicklowsupport (Wicklow) - Posts: 1910 - 17/02/2022 14:05:15 2400857 Link 0 |
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i was at match in westmeath . west meath are a very good team . wicklow played very well against westmeath . I think if wicklow play the same way they played against westmeath they have a very good change of causing a upset. I think if Matthew ging was on team we could score more goals . lor12 (Wicklow) - Posts: 238 - 17/02/2022 15:07:39 2400871 Link 0 |
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Thank you Wicklowsupport and Hawkeye for your analysis of where we are and why. I have been banging on about that for a few years now but not so eloquently. It is evident, even on this forum, that some people support the county board and lay the blame on the clubs and their approach to our games. To me, this is bull s..t, if you pardon the language. Change in any organisation be it business, sport or politics has to be driven from the top. Imagine the reaction a company CEO would get at the AGM if he stated that the reason the company wasn't performing was due to the lack of enthusiasm or interest from the workers. That is exactly the theory that is being expounded by certain posters on here and in the county in general. Look, I am nearing the latter stage of my stay on this planet and before I get attacked I was involved at club level and higher in my earlier life, but I wasn't too long seeing how the wind blows at the upper level. The same attitude is, was and always will be until there is a revolt at grassroots level and clubs really get their act together and clear out what passes for governance and then get their houses in order with properly funded coaching and structures which could mean sanction on funding if clubs weren't performing in improving the quality of player and teams they were producing. I will say again that I don't believe that this is a deliberate ploy on anybody's part and that many good people have devoted years of their lives to what they believe to be the best of their ability. But it is glaringly obvious that their best has never been near good enough to take us up from being the joke of the GAA world to where we would be respected. Presently our footballers are the team that nobody wants to be beaten by. Ask anybody in Cavan or Offaly to name a few. Not that any of this will make any difference but, it needs to be said.
Freethinker (Wicklow) - Posts: 999 - 17/02/2022 19:46:44 2400912 Link 0 |
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Just to clarify are you saying the powers that be in this county actually give up the backing to the senior footballers and concentrate on hurling.
roseyinthegarden (Wicklow) - Posts: 109 - 17/02/2022 19:49:28 2400914 Link 0 |
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I think what people are advocating is a different approach and preferably one that works. If something isn't working then you need to try something else. At the moment our hurling team is regressing and our footballers are holding on. It may be worth cosidering putting more resources towards one code in the hope that we can make some progress in that code as oppose to being medicore at two codes. Change does come from the top as has been articulated but i do think that the clubs in the county have it in their hands to push it at county board level for the required change in approach and some greater ambition but is change something that clubs want or is it easier to coast along? Surely the players want to play at the highest levelvthey can?
wicklowsupport (Wicklow) - Posts: 1910 - 17/02/2022 20:50:32 2400923 Link 0 |
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Apologies for the interruption folks, a few quality posters here mentioned cause for concerns in Wicklow's gaelic games that needs attention, just to say I totally agree in every way with the wording of your posts as we in Carlow have exactly the same problems that are over 100 years old, personally imo the problems are so deep rooted here that I see no light at the end of the tunnel. Is it a coincidence that both neighbouring counties Wicklow and Carlow share the same concerns year after year re the state of hurling and gaelic football in our counties,( mostly football) It seems to me if we have one win in the leinster football championship and 3 or 4 wins in div 4 of the league then we have no problems, it's all in our minds. supersub15 (Carlow) - Posts: 2907 - 18/02/2022 09:43:47 2400942 Link 3 |
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I agree with a lot of what you say expect the bit about Jim Gavin, that man is a genius, sure he could even Meath to win a few games he's that good!
DUBJOHN (Dublin) - Posts: 932 - 18/02/2022 10:30:55 2400948 Link 1 |
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Interesting post Supersub. It is good to get input from another county's perspective as sometimes these forums can be parochial and lull us into believing that only your own county have these problems. You are right the GAA-Croke Park-Media don't care about counties like Wicklow or Carlow. They have their darlings in hurling and football that they are devoted to and nothing exists outside that bubble. The county board in Wicklow have sold out to Croke Park by agreeing to the second tier competition without conditions such as improved coaching etc. There are multiple issue in Wicklow outside money. There is a lack of ambition and expertise plus there is a mindset that this is our patch and it will be governed by us despite us being clueless. I feel sorry for the players in all this as players want to compete and be the best they can be. Unfortunately they were born in the wrong county. Could Wicklow and Carlow turn their fortunes around? Yes is the answer but it requires fundamemtal changes particular in mindset and that is a big obstacke to change in this county.
wicklowsupport (Wicklow) - Posts: 1910 - 18/02/2022 11:24:45 2400957 Link 2 |
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Of course not. I'd love to see us competitive across all codes. It's actually embarassing that a county with our population and economic prosperity, given our proximity to Dublin , that we've consistently not only failed but failed absymally at an administration level. Anyone who has been involved at the coalface of Wicklow GAA will be abundantly aware of how Hurlers have been treated as second class citizens in Wicklow over the years. Just look at how the County Board have conistently approached the running of the Senior Hurling Championship where it's almost treated as an inconvenience to have to run it at all. Yet, almost despite the County Board, over the years we have produced hurlers that wouldn't look out of place in any county and hurling teams that have consistently punched above their weight, always being competitve. Hawkeye2 (Wicklow) - Posts: 121 - 18/02/2022 14:05:05 2400987 Link 1 |
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Disappointing result today against Antrim. Couple of vital home games coming up which have to be won otherwise it will be Division 4 next season which is a depressing thought. The team seems to start well in each match but fade as the games enters the latters stages. I thought players weren't well conditioned in the club championship; is conditioning an issue - would be interesting in hearing the opinions of people who have been at any of the games. On a positive note Kevin Quinn seems to be adapting to this level and is definitely one that is comfortable at this standard. wicklowsupport (Wicklow) - Posts: 1910 - 19/02/2022 15:46:54 2401091 Link 1 |
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Terrible result, had to win this and our last game to give us a fighting chance of staying up. We instead only got one point. sponger (Wicklow) - Posts: 2897 - 19/02/2022 16:07:14 2401095 Link 1 |
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It was indeed a very poor result. A very small scoring return for a senior team of any standard. Anyway let's hope for a better result next weekend. Does anyone know if the u20 game is a double header with the senior game. They were very unlucky against Offaly with one or two decisions going against them. roseyinthegarden (Wicklow) - Posts: 109 - 21/02/2022 20:19:36 2401729 Link 1 |
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I'm hearing whispers of an impending no confidence vote in the senior hurling management Mileythedog (Wicklow) - Posts: 56 - 22/02/2022 16:11:28 2401933 Link 1 |
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Is this going to rectify what is wrong with the senior hurling team? I'm not saying that maybe the current management are not part of the problem but it seems from reading what people who know their hurling and are familiar with what is going on with hurling in the county that the problems go way beyond the senior hurling management team. This is typical of what is wrong in the county, vote no confidence in one management team, get in another management team and results or performance stay the same. Madness.
wicklowsupport (Wicklow) - Posts: 1910 - 23/02/2022 09:00:26 2402005 Link 0 |
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If what I'm hearing is true with regard to the senior hurling management and what has been said it will be a colossal explosion Mileythedog (Wicklow) - Posts: 56 - 23/02/2022 11:46:15 2402038 Link 0 |