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well one thing it shows is there is zero loyalty among theses mercienary managers I d love if by rule you could only manage your own county full stop. It would save county boards a small fortune and everyone would be the same. To play for the county you have to be from it and to manage it or be a coach or be selector etc you have to be from it. Pat Mustard (None) - Posts: 389 - 19/09/2023 08:57:02 2504720 Link 2 |
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Certainly can see how it might. Probably a smart move from Mickey Harte's perspective. An oven ready all Ireland contender in Derry. Louth, while operating at a higher level than is in recent years possibly might tempt our man - even from a travel point of view. Hopefully, all will be good. The last thing we need is another managerial merry go round.
Freethinker (Wicklow) - Posts: 1326 - 19/09/2023 09:33:41 2504734 Link 0 |
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Would definitely be a more attractive proposition from a travel and playing level view, and probably gets him a few rungs further up the ladder to the end goal of eventually managing Armagh. Though on the other hand if he did go there and basically undoes all of Hartes work in a couple of years then he's set himself back. There's definitely a lot more room for improving and raising profile with Wicklow than there is in Louth who have probably alread hit their ceiling. FrankieJoe (Wicklow) - Posts: 87 - 19/09/2023 10:01:21 2504747 Link 0 |
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This 6 team group certainly seems to work pretty well. The only hiccup was when a game had to be abandoned - in that it wasn't possible to finish on the day, which meant those clubs had 3 games in 7 days. Regarding the clubs with floodlights, there are many clubs in the county with floodlights and games are played regularly on them under lights. , Rathnew do and if memory serves An Tochair were first up with floodlights possibly 20 yrs ago. I'm sure there are others. I think where that think about was in the context of no county grounds having them, with obvious knock one for a fixtures log jam. Best of luck to your new hurling management set up down there and hopefully Wexford can reclaim their place at or near the top of Leinster hurling. Munster hurling is in the ascendancy in recent years so let's see if that can be altered.
Freethinker (Wicklow) - Posts: 1326 - 19/09/2023 10:12:08 2504750 Link 0 |
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Thanks. For what it's worth, we've the same issue too as regards not having a free weekend available for a refixture if a match has to be abandoned or postponed for some reason, or even for a replay in the knock-out stages. Clubs this year voted for what I still believe is a crazy system where a draw in a county semi-final (for example) would mean you'd play your drawn semi-final one weekend, your replay midweek, and a county final just three or four days later - all just so you could avoid a penalty shoot-out on the first day. With regard to floodlights, the earlier posted suggested only Bray and Baltinglass are available as floodlit venues. But it stands to reason that other places have them too. However, as to his contention that installing lights in Aughrim would lead to higher attendances, and therefore the lights 'would soon pay for themselves' - - The lights in Wexford Park cost something like €750,000. I don't know what you charge for entry to a club match in Wicklow, but €750,000 would be an awful lot of extra people paying extra tenners before you could even begin to think about breaking even. - And our experience is that Friday night floodlit matches generally attract a smaller crowd than afternoon or evening matches on Saturdays & Sundays. To be honest, am not sure Aughrim needs lights. And don't take that as any disrespect to Wicklow! Remember Kilkenny don't have lights in Nowlan Park either, and have no plans to install them, and they seem to do all right without them. Pikeman96 (Wexford) - Posts: 2648 - 19/09/2023 13:10:06 2504802 Link 0 |
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Yes a good number now have match-fit flood lights to my knowledge the below? - Baltinglass - Bray - Rathnew - Eire Og Greystones - Newtown - Donard/Glen - Blessington - Hollywood - An Tochar Roundwood - Avondale Could have missed one or two that have recently upgraded. footballlover (Wicklow) - Posts: 98 - 19/09/2023 14:12:09 2504819 Link 0 |
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SFC willielee (Wicklow) - Posts: 42 - 19/09/2023 23:31:43 2504878 Link 0 |
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My four semi finalists roseyinthegarden (Wicklow) - Posts: 118 - 20/09/2023 11:06:21 2504903 Link 0 |
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This must be a first but I agree with your main point Pat. There is a big advantage with having home grown managers in charge of their own county; home grown managers tend not to cost as much and tend to be more loyal to their own county. We've seen in our own county where Davy Burke upgraded to Roscommon from ourselves after a couple of seasons and given the chance he would take the Kildare job in the morning if it was offered to him. Óisin McConville might do something similar, just like Mickey Harte has done in relation to Louth/Derry. From my own perspective; there seems to be an uneasy relationship between the county board and potential homegrown - I don't know if this perception has any validity. The other question that springs to mind is this - is there a homegrown manager who has the ambition and the ability to manager at intercounty level and be successful? There are people within the county better able to answer this question than me.
wicklowsupport (Wicklow) - Posts: 2038 - 22/09/2023 12:01:47 2505177 Link 0 |
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My idea is that the players want a Manager who they believe can bring them where they want to go! For example Galway have Henry, he ticks the boxes of having won An All Ireland and trained and managed by the best. Wicklow had its best ever run in my memory when the great Micko was hear,not because he was a stats man or a sports scientist but lads would leave it all on the training ground week in week out. Mcconville is here because he knows what it takes to win All Irelands, he knows the sacrifices needed. Can anyone in Wicklow inspire a team like those guys. No I would say! Not that they are less qualified, but would they go the extra mile for a ordinary Joe from Wicklow? willielee (Wicklow) - Posts: 42 - 22/09/2023 14:28:32 2505217 Link 0 |
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I would like to see a homegrown manager taking our u17 s or U20s to a Leinster final first and then take it from there. We always seem to stumble when we get near a semi final. Is that always down to the players ? I don't believe it is. In my opinion, for what that's worth, our underage squads over the last year or two have underperformed. I have watched a few U17 games this year and if there are better footballers in Leinster than what I saw, then we will never get there. I saw some great talent - and that was from only 6 clubs. We seem to be lacking that little push that's needed to get over the final hurdle. To me, we should have an under 20 at least Leinster title in a year or two. The players are good enough. I'll probably get hammered here for saying this but I'm a big boy and can take it. Some things need saying.
Freethinker (Wicklow) - Posts: 1326 - 22/09/2023 15:05:01 2505226 Link 1 |
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Agree 100 %. In my humble opinion , we didn't get the return that was expected from the last couple of years talent. Grant it , you need the rub of the green along the way but we underachieved.
roseyinthegarden (Wicklow) - Posts: 118 - 22/09/2023 17:10:55 2505244 Link 0 |
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I think we saw such a scenario when Kevin O'Brien began managing the u17s with a certain degree of success without actually winning a Leinster title or getting to a final. I think that team was unlucky in losing after a replay to a good Kildare team who contested the Leinster final against Dublin. And we witnessed continuity when he brought that group through to u20s level. I think they underachieved at that grade in losing to an average Dublin side. The forwards had enough chances that night to win the game but didn't seem to be able to get over the line again. In relation to Kevin O'Brien; for some reason, he didn't seem to be interested in continuing on and becoming the senior county manager. Again, this is just perception but this, to me, suggests an issue with former players or managers who appear suitable for the job, not wanting to put their name forward - why? I don't know is the answer. Another poster referenced Mick O'Dwyer. I think what his appointment proved was that there was players in the county and he was able to motivate those players and instill the confidence in them to go out and win or at the very least compete against teams that previous teams/players didn't believe they could compete or win against. Was this achieved on the basis that he, with a brilliant reputation behind him, could instill this belief in them and they believed in him? I would say 'yes'. Has anyone before or since been able to do the same job? I would 'no'. By the way, people in Kildare are saying the same since he left Kildare as they haven't managed to win a Leinster or get to an All Ireland since he left. Can an internal manager from the county achieve such a feat? I would guess 'no' which is probably why we have underachieved at underage and why we struggle to make the breakthrough at senior level. Some team has to make the breakthrough at some level; until then, we will probably struggle to make an impact at any of these levels. wicklowsupport (Wicklow) - Posts: 2038 - 23/09/2023 10:49:33 2505290 Link 0 |
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I see Bray and Glenealy is live on the county board YouTube channel today. FrankieJoe (Wicklow) - Posts: 87 - 23/09/2023 12:57:55 2505312 Link 0 |
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With a bit of MMA thrown in for free.
heavyheart19 (Wicklow) - Posts: 146 - 23/09/2023 22:21:59 2505370 Link 0 |
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Thankfully the national media don't seem to have noticed. It's getting embarrassing at this stage.
FrankieJoe (Wicklow) - Posts: 87 - 24/09/2023 12:05:12 2505418 Link 0 |
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I think their idea to take away the fencing backfired yesterday. Anyone at all could jump that fence. I thought poor game skill wise overall, Bray seemed to have that bit extra and got their scores more easily. Couple of scorable frees missed.
roseyinthegarden (Wicklow) - Posts: 118 - 24/09/2023 13:04:31 2505427 Link 0 |
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Any thoughts on the whole split season idea? Chat to any club player and they're delighted about it, but Wicklow and maybe other counties havent seem to executed it properly. County finals are still late october. I think it would have been better to have a different structure (ie not have 2 groups of 6) as it has dragged on too long. Thoughts? Wicklowmen (Wicklow) - Posts: 11 - 27/09/2023 16:40:11 2506022 Link 0 |
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Definitely 2 groups of six too many in football championships should be 3 groups of 4 would free up 2 weekends and would have a real championship feel to games football championships only at 1/4 final stage now and weather has gone against it big time pitches in an awful state especially aughrim on Sunday last for hurling. The hurling championships should be possible to run off in 6-8 weeks from late June then in to the football ie split season would give the football only clubs good break for getting co players back in and to be fair probably a lot of them have players hurling with various clubs
Sinbin (Wicklow) - Posts: 19 - 27/09/2023 20:45:36 2506048 Link 0 |
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I think they are a good idea. But the leagues dragged on a bit long. Those top 4 playoffs could maybe be looked at and abolished. Most of them were nothing games. The championship could have started maybe up to 4 weeks earlier.
Freethinker (Wicklow) - Posts: 1326 - 27/09/2023 21:18:14 2506052 Link 0 |