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I think most supporters who have been following the county team for decades would feel just like you felt last Sunday evening. I know i have on many occasions and you're right there seems to be no end in sight. I definitely think not have any success during 140 years is a massive weight around our neck. It is hard for young players to believe they can succeed when they haven't gown up a county that has failef repeatedly. I don't live in the county but i think that we are massively underachieving at schools level and it has to change if we want to be successful. Finally, I've watched senior and intermediate matches in both Kildare and Wicklow post pandrmic and the standards in Wicklow have dropped below Kildare. This wasn't the case 20-30 years ago. I think there should be more games played in both these championship; the Wicklow county board must bring back group stages in the championship and give teams more games. Players improve playing more games. Finally there should be district teams so ss to enable players in area where playing in the senior championshop is out of reach.
wicklowsupport (Wicklow) - Posts: 1907 - 20/05/2023 20:57:41 2479839 Link 0 |
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Maybe I'm being far too optimistic, while the two last results have been awful I think the management is trying to change the system in which we play as the system we played in the league would definitely not keep us up in division three. He has given two of our more promising u20 forwards a bit of experience at senior level which hopefully reape some rewards next season. I think the main objective of the year was getting out of divison four...mission achieved...next year the main objective will be to stay up. Let's give the management the time to reshape the team. stringfellohawk (Wicklow) - Posts: 124 - 21/05/2023 14:55:06 2479974 Link 1 |
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I agree with you. I think and I agree that promotion from Division 4 to 3 is more important than a run in Leinster and the Tailteann Cup. I agree and I am glad to see that the promising u20 forwards and forwards that performed well in last year's club championship are being exposed to the intercounty scene in a competition that isn't really our priority. If I was offered the scenario whereby we would remain in Division 3 of the league over a run in the Leinster/Tailteann cup next season; I would choose remaining in Division 3. For the next few years, the league has to be the priority for us. I would be concerned at this stage that we have what it takes to stay in Division 3 so if management are preparing the squad for next year's league campaign at this stage; I would have no issue with that strategy. As I alluded to in another post, I am hoping that we can identify another few players in this year's club championship that can be added to the squad. Division 3 will be very competitive next season so we need to be prepared for what is to come.
wicklowsupport (Wicklow) - Posts: 1907 - 21/05/2023 15:18:30 2479978 Link 0 |
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Wicklow were second seeds and now have lost to a third and fourth seed team. I thought that they would at least make knockout stage of TC Jack L (None) - Posts: 3099 - 21/05/2023 23:18:27 2480242 Link 0 |
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You are not alone there Jack L. And, it's not so much the defeats as the manner of them. We had the first game in the bag and managed to hand it back and realistically we got the stuffing knocked out of us on Saturday. I would be concerned as to what effect these defeats against moderate opposition might have on our younger players. We started out just hoping to build consistency the only consistent thing about us presently is our inconsistency.
Freethinker (Wicklow) - Posts: 983 - 22/05/2023 10:07:51 2480332 Link 0 |
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You are correct Jack L; based upon our seeding we are expected to qualify for the knock-out stages of the Tailteann cup. This will not be the case now. It seems the longer the season goes on, the worse performance and results are becoming. It does seem the management are changing the team and giving some of the u20 game time. I don't know if this by choice or necessity. Longford were relegated to division 4 earlier this year so I think based upon current form we will struggle in division 3. The team's performance is very inconsistent. You look at Sligo who were promoted with us, they seem to be getting better as the season goes on despite playing against higher ranked opposition.
wicklowsupport (Wicklow) - Posts: 1907 - 22/05/2023 10:30:23 2480355 Link 0 |
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The amount of players that were missing cost wicklow in tailthean cup . We need to be more rutlesss in wicklow . Matthew lor12 (Wicklow) - Posts: 238 - 22/05/2023 18:20:18 2480662 Link 0 |
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How about posters selecting what they consider the best 15 players and 5 subs that should be selected so see what the consensus might be. Optimisticobserver (Wicklow) - Posts: 125 - 23/05/2023 11:55:49 2480831 Link 0 |
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I think Wicklow have been featuring a lot of very average players particularly in the half backs and half forwards. And other positions need freshening up. For example Mark Jackson has been a brilliant servant, but taking the long range frees out of it I think Wicklow would benefit from a change in the short term at least. Here's my crack at a first 15 anyway. 1 Shane Doyle 2 Tom Moran 3 Malachy Stone 4 Eoin Murtagh 5 Pat Burke 6 Patrick O'Keane 7 JT Moorehouse 8 Podge O' Toole 9 Dean Healy 10 Andrew Maher 11 JP Nolan 12 Darragh Rochford 13 Eoin Darcy 14 Kevin Quinn 15 Matthew Guing clubfan17 (Wicklow) - Posts: 107 - 23/05/2023 16:30:23 2481006 Link 0 |
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t this point I would agree with most of your selection clubfan17. I would like to see an outfield player or players taking the frees. As you say, Mark has been a great servant but there seemed to be question marks around some goals conceded latterly. But in the absence of obvious challengers he is probably safe for now. I think that young Fee from An Tochair is one of the liveliest half forwards we have seen for a while. Did he score 6 pts in the TC from 2 starts ? Definitely Ging and Darcy. Kevin has maybe lost his scoring touch ? Still, he is young and can only improve. Mark Kenny was one of the busiest of ours against Carlow.
Freethinker (Wicklow) - Posts: 983 - 24/05/2023 09:31:50 2481142 Link 0 |
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I am of the opinion that this has been an opportunity lost. I think a little bit of staleness has set in. Credit to the team for getting promotion. Job done there. However we should have upped the ante and build on that success. Use the positivity from promotion, however the main reason for the lack thereof was the limitations of the panel as a whole. I'm not here criticising players but I thought there was a lack of quality and also a couple of positions are up for discussion likewise on the 1st 15. There are definitely better players that have been playing league games for their clubs and should be on that panel and one or two that are definitely capable of playing on the 1st 15. But as I said credit on getting promotion but the current panel of panels would want to be improved to stay in division 3. Last thing we want is relegation back to division 4. 61123 (Wicklow) - Posts: 172 - 24/05/2023 12:01:34 2481197 Link 0 |
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that is a good team selected will get my hat on to pick a team lor12 (Wicklow) - Posts: 238 - 24/05/2023 17:55:25 2481351 Link 0 |
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if there was a tiered system wicklow would be relagated on there form in tc this year . the same system should be used as the hurling . wicklow are placed in 4 place relagation zone lor12 (Wicklow) - Posts: 238 - 24/05/2023 17:58:02 2481352 Link 0 |
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€25 for a Rackard final ticket ? sponger (Wicklow) - Posts: 2897 - 25/05/2023 12:46:42 2481487 Link 0 |
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The football league and championship is different to the structure in the hurling. I think that the footballers primary focus was the league. Having said that the team's results seem to decline during the summer when other teams are fitter than they are in the league. However I wouldn't favour the hurling championship structure for the football.
wicklowsupport (Wicklow) - Posts: 1907 - 25/05/2023 12:56:09 2481494 Link 0 |
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"There are definitely better players that have been playing league games for their clubs and should be on that panel and one or two that are definitely capable of playing on the 1st 15." Out of curiosity, can I ask you who these players are and what clubs do they play for? I am not chastising you but I have seen a wide range of players and clubs in championship action over the last couple of years and I can't name another player that I think would be better than what Oisin has picked in the league and championship to date. I would discount league games myself as they are not a good indicator of a player being intercounty standard. I wish I could point to players that I think would strengthen the team and/or squad but I don't see any when I watch championship games. Is it a case that we are trying to convince ourselves that there are better players that could help us achieve more at county level? I, for one, am disappointed that every year, the team's performance seems to fizzle out as the year goes on. What starts as promising, fizzles out into an anticlimax!!!! wicklowsupport (Wicklow) - Posts: 1907 - 27/05/2023 14:21:26 2481913 Link 0 |
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Our juveniles seem to be flying in the football. The u16s,u15s and u14s all won their matches today. I was in Balinakill earlier and watched the u14s beat Offaly well. We have the talent, just need to keep them interested... liam500 (Wicklow) - Posts: 175 - 27/05/2023 22:59:22 2482049 Link 1 |
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Good wins in aughrim for the 15s and 16s footballers. Albundy19 (Wicklow) - Posts: 38 - 28/05/2023 08:47:00 2482074 Link 0 |
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Congrats to all those young footballers and hurlers who did us proud over the week end. Keep it up lads. May you have many days like these. Freethinker (Wicklow) - Posts: 983 - 28/05/2023 21:13:36 2482355 Link 0 |
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There are 5 or 6 players on the team I picked earlier in the thread that arent involved currently. And that just off the top of my head. Theres a couple of Blessington players lilke Patrick O'Connor you could add to that but he might be abroad.
clubfan17 (Wicklow) - Posts: 107 - 29/05/2023 16:18:08 2482656 Link 0 |