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Nothing like spouting out excuses, if the mental strength was that good how come we conceded a goal and two points in the space of 3 minutes .Skill wise this team was very good but its no coincidence thats two games in a row we have lost big leads.Went four points up in injury time and 30 seconds later we were picking the ball out of own net. We had the game won last night and blew it.
dubarra (Wicklow) - Posts: 541 - 05/04/2023 11:11:41 2468989 Link 0 |
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No point in giving out about these young lads...they did their best and I'm sure they are far more down about the result than any of us on this forum. This loss stems from not playing at a competitive standard year on year. At lower standards concentration turns off as it clearly did at the end last night..at higher standard this does not happen. The only way to stop these results from happening is to be playing at the highest level so we get used to playing at high intensity for the full game. We are not there yet but we are on the road at under age level. Hard luck lads...learn the lesson and keep going stringfellohawk (Wicklow) - Posts: 124 - 05/04/2023 13:29:41 2469052 Link 0 |
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I agree with you; this is a bitter experience for these young lads. It is how they react to what happened that will determine what they go on to achieve in the rest of their career. As a county, when these type of collapses happened in the past, we blame everything and everyone which is a losing mentality. Counties that are successful, have similar setbacks but instead of playing the victim and the blame game, it makes the players and all connected with the team, more determined to go out and prove that one result doesn't define that player or team. I believe this team had the talent to compete and potentially win a Leinster title but that is gone now. They have now to go on and try and achieve something at senior level or in some cases, come back at u20 next year and try to go one step further. It is not easy playing for a county that has no history of success but within that is a great opportunity to write yourself into the history books as the first team to achieve something of note. I think there are some players who can go on and strengthen the senior team when it competes in Division 3 next season and build on what is, so that we can stay in Division 3 and eventually push on a level again. If it was easy, everyone would be achieving it.
wicklowsupport (Wicklow) - Posts: 1909 - 05/04/2023 16:52:17 2469119 Link 0 |
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Are you talking about the last game where they scored the winning point in injury after blowing a big lead? What about the Dublin match where they were way behind and came back to within a score?
TopDrawer (Wicklow) - Posts: 51 - 06/04/2023 09:37:46 2469193 Link 0 |
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This team did fight back after a poor start in their game against Dublin. I think they also got off to a back start against Offaly and won the game by 1 point. They actually got off to a great start against Louth and look to have the game in the bag before a suck punch of the goal deprived them of the victory they needed to get through to the knock out stages. It will be interesting to see how Dublin and Louth fare in the rest of the campaign. Sadly, this promising team won't get to play together again. I wonder will Oisin be tempted to bring some of the players through to the senior panel. Cian O'Sullivan has played for both the u20 and senior team this season. I definitely think some of the forwards on the u20 have proven that they are capable of performing at intercounty level and it was clear from watching last weekend's game against Sligo that Kevin Quinn needs help in the forward division as he was double man marked in the second half and we struggled for scores.
wicklowsupport (Wicklow) - Posts: 1909 - 06/04/2023 10:29:51 2469203 Link 0 |
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Jack Kirwan played during the league so I presume he will be back in too. No one who played on Tuesday can play at the weekend cos of the 7 day rule. TopDrawer (Wicklow) - Posts: 51 - 06/04/2023 10:52:32 2469211 Link 0 |
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Yes I am talking about the Offaly game, they had a big lead and were lucky to get the win. I'm not judging the character of these young players as they have it in abundance but until we learn how to close out games that we should win its going to be the same old story as it always has been for donkeys years. The potential is there at the moment and we have a lot of good young players, but we need to develop a winning mentality. The game the other night was just another example of what's been happening to Wicklow teams as long as I can remember.I was sick after the final whistle but not shocked. Another thing I would like to know was where was our full back line when we conceded the killer goal, our centre half forward was left one on one covering their most dangerous forward
dubarra (Wicklow) - Posts: 541 - 06/04/2023 12:50:56 2469253 Link 0 |
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Yes, Jack Kirwan played during the league, I forgot about him. As you point out, any player who played on Tuesday for the u20, can't play against Carlow. For this reason plus the fact that the team has been settled during the league, it would be unfair to play some of the u20 players on the basis of one game. I would think that the team that has played the latter stages of the league will play in the leinster championship and the tailteann cup campaigns. Anyone that is over age for the u20 next season and maybe stand out in the upcoming club championship may, if they are available, come into next year's league panel. Managers don't seem to change their team radically from the league to championship unless a seasoned player has been injured or needed a rest. For this reason, I think Oisin will stick wtih his panel from the league.
wicklowsupport (Wicklow) - Posts: 1909 - 06/04/2023 12:52:05 2469254 Link 0 |
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It was interesting to read how Oisin was critical of the RTE panel's " concentration" on the apparent attention or concentration lapses of our footballers against Sligo. Attention lapses have been the scourge of all our teams in my opinion and not just this year. The ability to stay focussed on the job on hand has cost us dearly - not least on Tuesday night. Let's hope that some of this sponsorship money is spent on working on this particular aspect of our lads game. Freethinker (Wicklow) - Posts: 990 - 07/04/2023 10:44:15 2469367 Link 0 |
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Since when has fairness have anything got to do with putting out your best team ?In my opinion as soon as a few of the U20s become available they should start if the selectors think their good enough .Were not Dublin or Kerry that we can afford to leave talented players on the bench when they are worth their place on the team
dubarra (Wicklow) - Posts: 541 - 07/04/2023 14:04:31 2469411 Link 0 |
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If you read previous exchange on this forum, you would know that players who played against Louth, can't play Sunday. That's reason, number one. Number two: intercounty team play to a system now, you can't work on a system for six months with a panel of players and then change half the players and rxpect yhem to be up to speed in a week. Are those good enough reasons. In the past we have made it up as we went along: where did it get us? Nothing. Players who have dedicated themselves, shouldn't be dispensed with in one go or no player will voluntary with that type of management: it won't work.
wicklowsupport (Wicklow) - Posts: 1909 - 07/04/2023 19:32:14 2469471 Link 0 |
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I agree with Dubarra on this. If any of the u20s are good enough, they should be considered. A few games this year be it Leinster or Tailteann would get them ready for trying to consolidate the team in Div 3 next year.
Freethinker (Wicklow) - Posts: 990 - 07/04/2023 21:57:50 2469497 Link 0 |
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I'm fully aware they can't play Sunday, if you had read my post correctly I said when they are available. If you had been following the O'BYRNE Cup and the league you should know that Jack Kirwan for one has already been selected on teams. Your beginning to sound like a rugby analyst with your systems etc.Gaelic football is pretty simple game if played correctly, get the basics right move the ball quickly and cut out stupid mistakes, all of which we need to improve dramatically if we are to make progress. and play the best players when they become available.
dubarra (Wicklow) - Posts: 541 - 08/04/2023 20:43:06 2469645 Link 0 |
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You stick to your opinion as is your entitlement and i'll stick with mine which i'm entitled to.
wicklowsupport (Wicklow) - Posts: 1909 - 09/04/2023 14:56:49 2469790 Link 0 |
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I would like to think that we can keep our posts civilised. Everybody is entitled to their opinion, so in mine, nobody should be criticised or ridiculed for expressing theirs. Both above have valid points to me. This new possession game has its advantages and disadvantages from a spectators point of view. Where would two of our greatest modern exponents of point scoring - Tommy Gill and Trevor Doyle - fit into this new game which has evolved. I remember Trevor scoring a point from a ridiculous angle out near the sideline almost on the half way line in Aughrim. In todays game he might be substituted for taking a chance on losing possession. I am around too long to be drawn into a debate on the merits or demerits of any stage of the development of our game over the years. I have seen them all - or a lot of them and I have heard all the excuses for our many defeats in crucial games over the years. I believe that some even are blaming the ref for Tuesday's defeat. In my opinion this is ridiculous. The ref wasn't responsible for that late Louth scoring burst. I suppose what I am trying to say is that presently we are way behind the curve and the only way up is through hard work and more and better coaching. Any word of who this new coaching or football director might be. Please God he will be from outside the county. With the possible exception of K O''Brien I don't think we have anyone with the experience and drive to take on this roll. I don't want to see any of our present coaching staff being "promoted", based on performance of recent years.
Freethinker (Wicklow) - Posts: 990 - 09/04/2023 16:45:26 2469815 Link 0 |
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I agree; all posters have a right to put forward their opinion without fear of ridicule. I have no problem with anyone expressing their opinion regardless of whether i agree or not. My preference is a forum with many contributors expressing diverse opinions, i don't expect nor want everyone agreeing. Being honest, i hate the modern day systems employed at senior level; at both club and county level. I think it has destoyed the game of football. Having said that, it would be naive to think that a county team can go man-to-man and be successful, just look at the colm o'rourke experiment in meath. Wicklow has to adapt modern tactics especially if we want to progress up the division and compete against the top sixteen teams. I wish this wasn't the case but it is. It doesn't surprise me that some people blamed the ref for our defeat on Tuesday night; this is partially why we have never been successdul, too much blame everything else when we need to have a look at ourselves. wicklowsupport (Wicklow) - Posts: 1909 - 09/04/2023 18:14:58 2469854 Link 0 |
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It's interesting to read the posts in the Carlow and Leitrim forums. We are not alone in how we think things should be. Some are clear headed, others blaming everything and everybody. The bulk of the better articulated ones point out to the coaching and games structures for juveniles within the counties and in particular the onus that is on the clubs to improve their coaching structures for juveniles thereby producing better, fitter players. There also seems to be an ongoing problem around the Carlow Town area with large clubs hoovering up members from smaller clubs. As an outsider here I am generalising. We have enough problems of our own without going into other peoples. One thing that Carlow seem to have got right is hurling. They are definitely punching above their weight here - unlike us who are sinking rapidly. Freethinker (Wicklow) - Posts: 990 - 10/04/2023 11:24:15 2469973 Link 0 |
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Any analysis of the game yesterday lads...... I live abroad so I don't get to see many games now. Anyway, a win is a win and hopefully now we can put in a decent performance against Kildare in 2 weeks. minor93 (Wicklow) - Posts: 74 - 10/04/2023 14:08:55 2470013 Link 0 |
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I formed the conclusion a long time ago that small,less traditionally succesfull counties will find it very difficult to promote and find success in both codes: hurling and football especially from a human perspective. In the past, a player could be a dual player; playing both hurling and football but those days are gone. Now, only big counties can play at the top level and achieve success as they have the resources, structures and finance to get to the top. On the Wicklow scene, depending on who you talk to, people would say we should concentrate on football as it is easier to coach and master than hurling plus we have some sort of a tradition with regard to football. Is it feasible yo resource both? I think it is more agreeable and desirable to compete at a reasonable level in both from our perspective.
wicklowsupport (Wicklow) - Posts: 1909 - 10/04/2023 16:31:56 2470055 Link 0 |
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Louth beaten by Kildare last night in U20 ? Was it 3 points ?? So are we closer than we think or as far away as ever. I suppose we will all take whatever we want from this. Bottom line is we won't be in a semi or final of note - again. Freethinker (Wicklow) - Posts: 990 - 12/04/2023 08:36:12 2470404 Link 0 |