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Replying To wicklowsupport:  "By all accounts, it reads as though hurling in the county is beyond fixing: poor standard of play, players sub standard, few hurling clubs up to scratch, poor refereeing, no county team to talk about, no plan for hurling..... is there anything else right or am I reading right - there is nothing right with hurling at the moment? Pretty depressing any time the subject of hurling is raised on here. At least football seems to have a couple of things to be optimistic about!!!"
So, are our county champions asserting who they want to referee the replay? That would be a slippery slope for our county board to venture down. I think Bray are good enough to win no matter who refs the game. Really, that's all that teams should be interested in, going out to win the game. Those rumours are bound to affect yesterdays referee, if he reads them and is reappointed. Anyway, I thought it was a rule in the GAA that a referee in a drawn game was excluded from the replay ??

Freethinker (Wicklow) - Posts: 607 - 26/09/2022 16:38:34    2441957

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A rule? Hardly likely that there is such a rule. Agree on Bray winning easily enough. Glenealy were the beneficiaries of a lot of poor calls yesterday including all the added time at the end of the added time. Bray by at least 8.

heavyheart19 (Wicklow) - Posts: 67 - 26/09/2022 17:14:53    2441960

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Replying To Freethinker:  "So, are our county champions asserting who they want to referee the replay? That would be a slippery slope for our county board to venture down. I think Bray are good enough to win no matter who refs the game. Really, that's all that teams should be interested in, going out to win the game. Those rumours are bound to affect yesterdays referee, if he reads them and is reappointed. Anyway, I thought it was a rule in the GAA that a referee in a drawn game was excluded from the replay ??"
That is the rule at intercounty level; a referee can't referee an replay once he has refereed the original game. I assume it is the same rule at club level. John Keenan is a top referee at senior intercounty level who could easily referee the county final. I do accept other referees need to be given an opportunity to referee top games in the county but to be given a top game like a county final these referees need to prove themselves on a consistent basis first.

wicklowsupport (Wicklow) - Posts: 1701 - 26/09/2022 17:25:16    2441961

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Replying To heavyheart19:  "A rule? Hardly likely that there is such a rule. Agree on Bray winning easily enough. Glenealy were the beneficiaries of a lot of poor calls yesterday including all the added time at the end of the added time. Bray by at least 8."
As Wicklowsupport says there certainly is a rule at inter county level and I think it also applies at club level. I'm not sure that Bray are 8 pts better than Glenealy. I would settle for 1 but I would think 4 or 5.

Freethinker (Wicklow) - Posts: 607 - 27/09/2022 09:42:39    2441992

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Replying To Freethinker:  "As Wicklowsupport says there certainly is a rule at inter county level and I think it also applies at club level. I'm not sure that Bray are 8 pts better than Glenealy. I would settle for 1 but I would think 4 or 5."
Looks as if it will be the same referee unless someone is brought in - which wouldn't go down too well with the referees within the county. It seems that John Keenan is gone on hols, others who would be experienced enough are not available for various reasons - one being that 2 of them are associated with Glenealy. So, we are where we are as regards referees within the county. I have been speaking with supporters from both clubs and they were all critical of some of the calls, so, if both teams were complaining, the referee must have been fair enough. Petty fouls or being whistle happy is ok in my book as long as it's across the board, which as I said, seems to have been the case on Sunday. I hope to make the game on Saturday so I can have my own opinions next week.

Freethinker (Wicklow) - Posts: 607 - 27/09/2022 10:04:32    2441996

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Same referee again for Saturday. 3.30 throw in

Mileythedog (Wicklow) - Posts: 16 - 27/09/2022 13:17:54    2442033

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Replying To heavyheart19:  "A rule? Hardly likely that there is such a rule. Agree on Bray winning easily enough. Glenealy were the beneficiaries of a lot of poor calls yesterday including all the added time at the end of the added time. Bray by at least 8."
I was at the game and I didn't see either team benefiting from the referee. Definitely he was a bit fussy with technical fouls but it balanced out for both teams. The extra time at the end was about right due to time waisting and substitutions that occurred while in the extra time period.
The ref is the ref let's get on with the game and stop whinging about nothing.
Bray should win the replay but Glenealy have a chance.

Luckyboy (Wicklow) - Posts: 34 - 28/09/2022 19:04:16    2442172

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Replying To Luckyboy:  "I was at the game and I didn't see either team benefiting from the referee. Definitely he was a bit fussy with technical fouls but it balanced out for both teams. The extra time at the end was about right due to time waisting and substitutions that occurred while in the extra time period.
The ref is the ref let's get on with the game and stop whinging about nothing.
Bray should win the replay but Glenealy have a chance."
Well said, Luckyboy.

Freethinker (Wicklow) - Posts: 607 - 29/09/2022 08:46:17    2442194

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Replying To Luckyboy:  "I was at the game and I didn't see either team benefiting from the referee. Definitely he was a bit fussy with technical fouls but it balanced out for both teams. The extra time at the end was about right due to time waisting and substitutions that occurred while in the extra time period.
The ref is the ref let's get on with the game and stop whinging about nothing.
Bray should win the replay but Glenealy have a chance."
We need more of this straight talking in the county. As i have said to people; the standard of gaa refereeing is patchy. Part of the issue is too many rules in the game. Some referees have more common sense than others when it comes to applying the rules. As long as a referee referees the game fairly for both sides then anything else is a bonus.

wicklowsupport (Wicklow) - Posts: 1701 - 29/09/2022 19:37:29    2442267

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Replying To wicklowsupport:  "We need more of this straight talking in the county. As i have said to people; the standard of gaa refereeing is patchy. Part of the issue is too many rules in the game. Some referees have more common sense than others when it comes to applying the rules. As long as a referee referees the game fairly for both sides then anything else is a bonus."
Absolutely have to agree with you. If you look at any game, one set of supporters or the other is nearly always incensed at the ref. Neutrals rarely see any problems. One side always sees the things the ref misses but never see their own sides transgressions. And this is true across all sports. This banter sometimes increases the enjoyment of a game, listening to some of the wits in the crowd. I suppose it is part and parcel of what supporting a team means and will always happen. What is unforgivable though is when this banter transforms into something more ugly and sinister. This tendency towards increasing violence against referees- again in all codes and sports, or most - needs to be clamped down on immediately. It is interesting to listen to how the Wexford County Board propose dealing with this phenomenon. Perhaps all counties could take a leaf ?

Freethinker (Wicklow) - Posts: 607 - 30/09/2022 08:34:30    2442287

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I hope nobody wanted to stream the county final replay today.

FrankieJoe (Wicklow) - Posts: 29 - 01/10/2022 12:40:20    2442404

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Replying To FrankieJoe:  "I hope nobody wanted to stream the county final replay today."
Unfortunate that due to technical fault, the providers are unable to stream the county hurling final reply today. Alot of people will be disappointed by this development. Is this a private service that people pay to access similar to what was offered during covid or is it a free service similar to what was offered for the under20 championship on facebook? Personally I'm also disappointed to see that the county finals in Kildare and Wicklow are scheduled for the same day. Personally I was hoping that they would be on separate days. I see the Leinster senior club draw has been made, the WIcklow champions are away to the Carlow champions while the Kildare champions are away to Dublin champions which is a really really tough draw for whoever wins in Kildare. A bit of incentive for Pats or Baltinglass as even though the Carlow champions away is a tough draw, it is winnable.

wicklowsupport (Wicklow) - Posts: 1701 - 01/10/2022 13:22:49    2442406

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Is there no curtain raiser before the senior final on Sunday or am I misreading the fixtures?

Optimisticobserver (Wicklow) - Posts: 117 - 03/10/2022 19:42:13    2442709

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Congrats to Bray Emmets on their 4 in a row. What's the betting on them making it 5. Again I couldn't get to the game and haven't even been speaking to anyone who was at it to get any type of feedback. Can Balto can do it on Sunday ?? Based on both their and St Pats form to date, it should be a cracker and close.

Freethinker (Wicklow) - Posts: 607 - 04/10/2022 08:37:05    2442728

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Replying To Optimisticobserver:  "Is there no curtain raiser before the senior final on Sunday or am I misreading the fixtures?"
I dont understand the reasoning behind this except of course financial. Why deprive two other clubs the joy of experiencing a county final day in Aughrim that precedes the main event. Sometimes I do query the thinking behind the people that are in charge of our games.

roseyinthegarden (Wicklow) - Posts: 81 - 04/10/2022 10:32:27    2442737

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Replying To roseyinthegarden:  "I dont understand the reasoning behind this except of course financial. Why deprive two other clubs the joy of experiencing a county final day in Aughrim that precedes the main event. Sometimes I do query the thinking behind the people that are in charge of our games."
Surely the minor final, intermediate final or Kearing cup final or ladies senior final could have been played for more players and supporters to experience the atmosphere of a county final. It does make you wonder about the promotion of our games within the county. This would also give at least 4 clubs a chance to bring their juveniles and let them play at the intervals,march behind the band and expose them to the whole trappings of county final day. Instead we have a stand alone fixture . It is almost as if we don't want to promote our games.

Optimisticobserver (Wicklow) - Posts: 117 - 04/10/2022 10:54:57    2442746

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Replying To Optimisticobserver:  "Surely the minor final, intermediate final or Kearing cup final or ladies senior final could have been played for more players and supporters to experience the atmosphere of a county final. It does make you wonder about the promotion of our games within the county. This would also give at least 4 clubs a chance to bring their juveniles and let them play at the intervals,march behind the band and expose them to the whole trappings of county final day. Instead we have a stand alone fixture . It is almost as if we don't want to promote our games."
It beggers belief, and you really have to wonder how the committee come to these decisions. Would have made sense to have the mens junior, intermediate and senior final on the Sunday and have the same ladies finals on the Saturday in Aughrim, surely would have generated more revenue for both codes, and generated a real feel of County final day for the clubs involved, in fairness to the ladies committee, this seems to be their approach.

Even taking into account for bad weather and whether the pitch would hold up, just have the mens minor and senior finals on the Sunday, and the junior and inter on the Saturday. Why did they ever move away from having the minor A final as the opener for the senior anyway, surely them young lads deserved their big day out with the men?

And what is even more baffling is the use of Hurling refs for two of the three football finals, not taking away from their abilities, but surely there are football refs well capable of taking charge, and the use of the same ref for the Hurling final replay, surely more than one Hurling ref capable of taking charge of that final. Shows utter disrespect towards other refs IMO, I would hope it doesn't affect the retention/ recruitment of referees, but I feel it will.

It really makes you wonder what is in store for the future of the county if these are the best decisions being made "for the county" , or is it individual ego massaging. Time for a big shift in attitude towards the games and clubs in the county, its up to the clubs to have a serious say going forward on what is best for the county at the board meetings.

standview (Wicklow) - Posts: 20 - 04/10/2022 12:39:19    2442769

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Replying To standview:  "It beggers belief, and you really have to wonder how the committee come to these decisions. Would have made sense to have the mens junior, intermediate and senior final on the Sunday and have the same ladies finals on the Saturday in Aughrim, surely would have generated more revenue for both codes, and generated a real feel of County final day for the clubs involved, in fairness to the ladies committee, this seems to be their approach.

Even taking into account for bad weather and whether the pitch would hold up, just have the mens minor and senior finals on the Sunday, and the junior and inter on the Saturday. Why did they ever move away from having the minor A final as the opener for the senior anyway, surely them young lads deserved their big day out with the men?

And what is even more baffling is the use of Hurling refs for two of the three football finals, not taking away from their abilities, but surely there are football refs well capable of taking charge, and the use of the same ref for the Hurling final replay, surely more than one Hurling ref capable of taking charge of that final. Shows utter disrespect towards other refs IMO, I would hope it doesn't affect the retention/ recruitment of referees, but I feel it will.

It really makes you wonder what is in store for the future of the county if these are the best decisions being made "for the county" , or is it individual ego massaging. Time for a big shift in attitude towards the games and clubs in the county, its up to the clubs to have a serious say going forward on what is best for the county at the board meetings."
Delighted to see other opinions coming in here, more or less supporting what I have have been saying here for a few years. Hopefully more and more might come round to demanding a more progressive approach to the advancement of our games. We seem to have a good crop of young talented players sprinkled throughout the county and it would be a pity if there was nothing to show for their efforts at the end of this decade, as continually happens for the last 100 plus years.

Freethinker (Wicklow) - Posts: 607 - 04/10/2022 14:13:33    2442784

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Replying To standview:  "It beggers belief, and you really have to wonder how the committee come to these decisions. Would have made sense to have the mens junior, intermediate and senior final on the Sunday and have the same ladies finals on the Saturday in Aughrim, surely would have generated more revenue for both codes, and generated a real feel of County final day for the clubs involved, in fairness to the ladies committee, this seems to be their approach.

Even taking into account for bad weather and whether the pitch would hold up, just have the mens minor and senior finals on the Sunday, and the junior and inter on the Saturday. Why did they ever move away from having the minor A final as the opener for the senior anyway, surely them young lads deserved their big day out with the men?

And what is even more baffling is the use of Hurling refs for two of the three football finals, not taking away from their abilities, but surely there are football refs well capable of taking charge, and the use of the same ref for the Hurling final replay, surely more than one Hurling ref capable of taking charge of that final. Shows utter disrespect towards other refs IMO, I would hope it doesn't affect the retention/ recruitment of referees, but I feel it will.

It really makes you wonder what is in store for the future of the county if these are the best decisions being made "for the county" , or is it individual ego massaging. Time for a big shift in attitude towards the games and clubs in the county, its up to the clubs to have a serious say going forward on what is best for the county at the board meetings."
One of if not the best post I have seen on this forum. Hit the nail bang on the head in all your points.

heavyheart19 (Wicklow) - Posts: 67 - 04/10/2022 21:32:20    2442827

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Replying To heavyheart19:  "One of if not the best post I have seen on this forum. Hit the nail bang on the head in all your points."
I'll second that, Heavyheart19

Freethinker (Wicklow) - Posts: 607 - 05/10/2022 09:58:56    2442839

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