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Replying To wicklowsupport:  "I think the outcome against Offaly hinges on our defense. Offaly scrapped over wexford yesterday; this suggests that they aren't to be feared, however they were unlucky to be relegated from division 2. Our midfield and attack are where our strength lies.

Does anyone know where the match is being played? The coverage of the tailteann cup is awful; it is hard to find out what date, time, location for matches."
Sunday 2pm in Tullamore

Victorious87 (Wicklow) - Posts: 571 - 24/05/2022 11:17:20    2419919

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Replying To Victorious87:  "It's happening in every county in Ireland. All ticket sales have gone online now or in selected shops. It's a Croke Park decision."
Well Victorious87, that pretty well puts that question to bed. It a pity though. Many of our older brigade who have spent their lives attending matches religiously might not be familiar with online services and may not be able to access those shops. Still, it is what it is

Freethinker (Wicklow) - Posts: 607 - 24/05/2022 12:50:11    2419950

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Replying To StrandedinWW:  "Has this got to do with online/prepaid tickets? I always liked the idea of deciding a few hours before and if i had time, popping down to a game and paying at the gate.

Now if i buy this ticket a few days in advance, i may no go but something may come up and i may not go. I say there is a lot more people in the same boat that dont go to games because of this."
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Passer_By (Carlow) - Posts: 479 - 24/05/2022 12:51:14    2419951

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Replying To Freethinker:  "Well Victorious87, that pretty well puts that question to bed. It a pity though. Many of our older brigade who have spent their lives attending matches religiously might not be familiar with online services and may not be able to access those shops. Still, it is what it is"
Yes, I'm not quite sure what the logic behind it is. Might be a business decision because they've got ticketmaster as a partner as far as I know, possibly more money in it. Could be that there was a risk having so much cash in provincial grounds run by volunteers.

Victorious87 (Wicklow) - Posts: 571 - 24/05/2022 18:35:35    2420045

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Replying To Victorious87:  "Sunday 2pm in Tullamore"
Thank you Victorious87 for the update. Best of luck to the players and management on Sunday.

wicklowsupport (Wicklow) - Posts: 1701 - 24/05/2022 20:00:01    2420053

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What are people's thoughts on the Offaly game? I only saw some highlights from their game against Wexford but some of the scores they conceded would suggest that their defence is quite leaky (a bit like our own). While we will be underdogs I think we do have a good shot.

stringfellohawk (Wicklow) - Posts: 87 - 25/05/2022 18:36:32    2420248

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Avondale hurling unable to field a team in Division 1 .

When will we reach the bottom ?

sponger (Wicklow) - Posts: 2796 - 25/05/2022 21:10:52    2420263

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Replying To sponger:  "Avondale hurling unable to field a team in Division 1 .

When will we reach the bottom ?"
All may not be good with the Dales. It's sad to see they can't field a hurling team. Hopefully there are good reasons and they will be back. Their footballers seem to be going through a rough patch as well. They certainly don't seem to be the team of the past few seasons. I suppose it is early days yet.

Freethinker (Wicklow) - Posts: 607 - 26/05/2022 10:21:13    2420283

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Replying To stringfellohawk:  "What are people's thoughts on the Offaly game? I only saw some highlights from their game against Wexford but some of the scores they conceded would suggest that their defence is quite leaky (a bit like our own). While we will be underdogs I think we do have a good shot."
I think the team whose defense plays best on the day will win. Offaly played in Division 2 this year and were very unlucky to be relegated. Since relegation the team seems to be struggling and maybe suffering a loss of confidence, however they are playing at home and i expect they will be well supported. Wicklow definitely have the forwards to punish Offaly but Offaly are probably thinking the same about us. Tight game. Home advantage might give Offaly the edge.

wicklowsupport (Wicklow) - Posts: 1701 - 26/05/2022 13:35:32    2420347

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Replying To wicklowsupport:  "I think the team whose defense plays best on the day will win. Offaly played in Division 2 this year and were very unlucky to be relegated. Since relegation the team seems to be struggling and maybe suffering a loss of confidence, however they are playing at home and i expect they will be well supported. Wicklow definitely have the forwards to punish Offaly but Offaly are probably thinking the same about us. Tight game. Home advantage might give Offaly the edge."
I think we'll need at least 3 goals. We've been banging them in since end of league so hopefully that will continue. Kevin Quinn and Eoin D'arcy need to be kept as close to goal as possible and hopefully we can get good ball into them

Victorious87 (Wicklow) - Posts: 571 - 26/05/2022 15:52:53    2420389

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Best of luck to John Keenan who will referee the Munster hurling final. The quality of referees in the county are criticised on a semi regular basis so it is good to see a referee from the county get a high profile provincial final.

wicklowsupport (Wicklow) - Posts: 1701 - 27/05/2022 19:39:34    2420533

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Replying To wicklowsupport:  "Best of luck to John Keenan who will referee the Munster hurling final. The quality of referees in the county are criticised on a semi regular basis so it is good to see a referee from the county get a high profile provincial final."
Well, a genuine thank you to the panel and mentors for todays game. It wasn't good enough but these lads can't be faulted. When you look at the Dubs demolishing Kildare and take all results from u17 to senior this season, you begin to get an idea just how far we are behind everyone else. There will be no point in pointing out that Offaly are Div 2. Wexford beat them in Leinster - where it counts - and Wexford are Div 4. I have no idea where or how we go from here. Hopefully somebody will have some plan or other to get us moving in the right direction. Since the next inter county games are 7/8 months away, is there any point in calling for a committee to be set up to see if we can come up with any ideas on how to raise the standards in the county. And there will also be no point in saying the clubs need to get there act together and produce better footballers. Somebody needs to drive this thing properly. At the minute we are like a slow moving wagon with the steering mechanism badly damaged. Wouldn't you think our leaders might feel get a bit embarrassed when rubbing shoulders with delegates and officers from more successful if they are asked what the story with us is. After some of them are going to these functions for a lifetime.

Freethinker (Wicklow) - Posts: 607 - 29/05/2022 16:12:26    2420779

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A disappointing season ends today at the hands of Offaly. Overall a disappointing season with relegation from Division 3. The positives; victory over Laois in the Leinster championship and the introduction of some new young players. It is hard to know what management will be in place for the next 2-3 years; i would imagine there isn't a queue for the job so it will probably be the current management team. Promotion from Division 4 has to be the immediate goal but it won't be easy as we have discovered over the years. I feel that we are presently a division 4 team based upon what i have seen this year. Hopefully the club championship will unearth some new players that can be brought into the squad. Defenders preferrably as we are very short of good defenders on both an individual basis and collectively.

wicklowsupport (Wicklow) - Posts: 1701 - 29/05/2022 16:41:42    2420790

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Replying To Freethinker:  "Well, a genuine thank you to the panel and mentors for todays game. It wasn't good enough but these lads can't be faulted. When you look at the Dubs demolishing Kildare and take all results from u17 to senior this season, you begin to get an idea just how far we are behind everyone else. There will be no point in pointing out that Offaly are Div 2. Wexford beat them in Leinster - where it counts - and Wexford are Div 4. I have no idea where or how we go from here. Hopefully somebody will have some plan or other to get us moving in the right direction. Since the next inter county games are 7/8 months away, is there any point in calling for a committee to be set up to see if we can come up with any ideas on how to raise the standards in the county. And there will also be no point in saying the clubs need to get there act together and produce better footballers. Somebody needs to drive this thing properly. At the minute we are like a slow moving wagon with the steering mechanism badly damaged. Wouldn't you think our leaders might feel get a bit embarrassed when rubbing shoulders with delegates and officers from more successful if they are asked what the story with us is. After some of them are going to these functions for a lifetime."
I could be wrong but it seems to me that wicklow gaa are happy to plod along fulfilling fixture year after year at senior level without changing anything fundamentally. So, no i don't believe there will be any review-discussion about this year or next. I think we may struggle to escape division 4 and my reason for saying that is that when there is no ambition, it must impact players at some stage in their career. Some of the current team have potential but they need the right development to progress to the next level. Alot of Wicklow players never move to that level as they become mired in medocrity. I see the work that is being done in Kildare and they are struggling at senior level to keep pace. This tells me that Wicklow are falling behind as the same progress things being done in Kildare are not being done in Wicklow. I even think clubs like Rathnew and Baltinglass who were to the fore in the past have lost their way when i saw them play last year. They are not up to standard either.

wicklowsupport (Wicklow) - Posts: 1701 - 29/05/2022 21:38:20    2420906

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Replying To wicklowsupport:  "I could be wrong but it seems to me that wicklow gaa are happy to plod along fulfilling fixture year after year at senior level without changing anything fundamentally. So, no i don't believe there will be any review-discussion about this year or next. I think we may struggle to escape division 4 and my reason for saying that is that when there is no ambition, it must impact players at some stage in their career. Some of the current team have potential but they need the right development to progress to the next level. Alot of Wicklow players never move to that level as they become mired in medocrity. I see the work that is being done in Kildare and they are struggling at senior level to keep pace. This tells me that Wicklow are falling behind as the same progress things being done in Kildare are not being done in Wicklow. I even think clubs like Rathnew and Baltinglass who were to the fore in the past have lost their way when i saw them play last year. They are not up to standard either."
@wicklowsupport . Have to disagree with you there but I saw Baltinglass dismantle Tinahely two weeks ago in Tinahely . Baltinglass played exceptional football and were very sharp to the ball. I saw nothing wrong with the standard of football . Only for Tinahely grabbing two or three late goals Balto would have won by 10 plus points. In relation to Rathnew I think they are doing nicely in the league so far and have registered a couple of important wins . Going back to yesterday's game we hadn't a clue how to defend. We weren't even close enough at times to put in a tackle. What we have at the moment are attacking backs. We play a defensive system where we clog up the spaces and try to move the ball out quickly. Yesterday was very disappointing as Offaly are no world beaters. Going forward I do think we have the players but do we have the desire as a county to move to the next level. As a whole I don't think we do, with the exception of a handful of committed people, other than them no one else really cares. Have a look at the next county convention where we will be discussing bye laws, sub laws, development of Balinakill, producing reports, ticking of boxes, and the annual handing over of the baton. I really do wonder at times.

roseyinthegarden (Wicklow) - Posts: 81 - 30/05/2022 13:27:07    2421071

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Replying To roseyinthegarden:  "@wicklowsupport . Have to disagree with you there but I saw Baltinglass dismantle Tinahely two weeks ago in Tinahely . Baltinglass played exceptional football and were very sharp to the ball. I saw nothing wrong with the standard of football . Only for Tinahely grabbing two or three late goals Balto would have won by 10 plus points. In relation to Rathnew I think they are doing nicely in the league so far and have registered a couple of important wins . Going back to yesterday's game we hadn't a clue how to defend. We weren't even close enough at times to put in a tackle. What we have at the moment are attacking backs. We play a defensive system where we clog up the spaces and try to move the ball out quickly. Yesterday was very disappointing as Offaly are no world beaters. Going forward I do think we have the players but do we have the desire as a county to move to the next level. As a whole I don't think we do, with the exception of a handful of committed people, other than them no one else really cares. Have a look at the next county convention where we will be discussing bye laws, sub laws, development of Balinakill, producing reports, ticking of boxes, and the annual handing over of the baton. I really do wonder at times."
My point on Baltinglass and Rathnew is based upon what i saw in last year's championship. Neither of them impressed me but then no club impressed me. I did see Blessington minus Kevin Quinn who is a big talent. Maybe these club have improved and will impress me this year. Just a note it is 20 years since Rathnew won their Leinster title; when will a Wicklow club win another provincial title?

wicklowsupport (Wicklow) - Posts: 1701 - 30/05/2022 17:14:21    2421209

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A very disappointing end to the season as I thought we were in with a great chance against Offaly. However the team seemed to lack any drive or energy yesterday and gave Offaly plenty of time on the ball to kick easy scores. Again we only scored 2 or 3 points from play over 70 minutes which will not win matches.

Optimisticobserver (Wicklow) - Posts: 117 - 30/05/2022 17:27:44    2421221

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I have been scrolling through some posts from 2016/27/18 that popped up under Wicklow Forum. About half a dozen posters who I never see on here anymore. The same or very similar comments and discussions to those we are having now. Nothing ever changes. Most especially the attitude and outlook from the drivers of our games within the county and I use the word "drivers" advisedly. One poster was imploring Croke Park or Leinster Council to be our Troika, step in and try sorting us out.

Freethinker (Wicklow) - Posts: 607 - 30/05/2022 18:47:43    2421244

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Replying To Freethinker:  "I have been scrolling through some posts from 2016/27/18 that popped up under Wicklow Forum. About half a dozen posters who I never see on here anymore. The same or very similar comments and discussions to those we are having now. Nothing ever changes. Most especially the attitude and outlook from the drivers of our games within the county and I use the word "drivers" advisedly. One poster was imploring Croke Park or Leinster Council to be our Troika, step in and try sorting us out."
Yes there are a number of posters who no longer contribute to this forum and their input is sorely missed. On the other hand i can't blame them as i find myself repeatedly commenting on the same issues year on year which becomed tiresome for everyone. I don't think you need to be a genius to know what is wrong nor what needs to be done to fix these issues but alas it seems beyond us. Look at Derry who were in Division 4 a couple of seasons ago and how rapidly they have turned around the situation. It can be done but only if you know how and actually do something to rectify your situation.

wicklowsupport (Wicklow) - Posts: 1701 - 31/05/2022 13:20:19    2421366

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Replying To wicklowsupport:  "Yes there are a number of posters who no longer contribute to this forum and their input is sorely missed. On the other hand i can't blame them as i find myself repeatedly commenting on the same issues year on year which becomed tiresome for everyone. I don't think you need to be a genius to know what is wrong nor what needs to be done to fix these issues but alas it seems beyond us. Look at Derry who were in Division 4 a couple of seasons ago and how rapidly they have turned around the situation. It can be done but only if you know how and actually do something to rectify your situation."
I think that 137 years of winning very little has left the Wicklow GAA family in general more or less resigned to what has developed as the Status Quo. So, everyone works within the confines of the existing club and county set up. Older people like me have become disillusioned with the whole thing. Younger, still optimistic club workers are where we were in our day - fully convinced that things can change. And fair play to them, I admire their attitude and ideals. The whole thing reminds me of how our Olympians performed over the years. Some notable exceptions but in the main they were nearly 8 yrs behind the successful nations. Then the Sports Council with grants for organisations who were properly prepared - high performance coaches et al and now, while there is still a gap but it's closing and in some cases the gap is closed. I fully realise that our athletes are in the main almost semi professional and compete for money. I suppose the point I am trying to make is with a change of attitude and a different drive from the top down, things could change. We need a complete rethink on how we operate and organise our games. Money will be a problem but not an insurmountable one. We are going nowhere - sad but true and without a complete root and branch overhaul we never will. Sorry if this is longwinded but there are things that must be said, but unfortunately they are unlikely to be said at the top, where they really need to be.

Freethinker (Wicklow) - Posts: 607 - 31/05/2022 18:17:56    2421455

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