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Fair play to the hurlers...difficult league season to say the least but performed when they needed it most stringfellohawk (Wicklow) - Posts: 124 - 26/03/2022 16:04:07 2407208 Link 0 |
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I echo that. Team experienced a tough league campaign but delivered today when pressure was on; not many Wicklow team have done that in our history. Hopefully this won't be seen as a successful campaign by the powers that by in the county. Issues have been discussed on this forum and these issues need to be addressed, not forgotten about.
wicklowsupport (Wicklow) - Posts: 1909 - 26/03/2022 17:20:36 2407220 Link 0 |
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all we can do is play to win and if not then it is not the end of the world . even if we go down i think we can come back up next year . According to what every one is saying wicklow are relagated i accecept that too lor12 (Wicklow) - Posts: 238 - 26/03/2022 21:36:59 2407277 Link 0 |
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Fair play to the hurlers that bothered to show up for the year and well done to them yesterday. You'd like to think survival will be built on but we all know better than that. FrankieJoe (Wicklow) - Posts: 71 - 27/03/2022 11:56:09 2407308 Link 0 |
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Back to Division 4 after two seasons in Division 3. Won one game in Division 3 last season. Won one game this season. Won no games at home in either campaign which is the bedrock for teams staying up. In both campaigns we had more home than away games so no excuses, we deserve to be relegated. Lads try hard and seem to be committed but we lack quality. In the two seasons in division 3 we have had 3 managers. I'm assuming that the current management will stay in situ for the next 2-3 years? i can't see many other options. The aim should be to bounce back to division 3 but this won't be easy with the current squad. wicklowsupport (Wicklow) - Posts: 1909 - 27/03/2022 16:48:30 2407378 Link 0 |
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The bench we had today really showed the mess that was made with the senior footballer this year. We had two goalkeepers on the bench and it seems like the only players they could get to make up the numbers were tinahely players. Imagine our senior county panel had our 3rd choice goalkeeper togged out to play outfield and about 7 players from the managers club team who were fighting relegation this year
Victorious87 (Wicklow) - Posts: 597 - 27/03/2022 18:41:48 2407470 Link 0 |
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There's no doubt that things are unravelling quickly and if you trace back over the last two years, you can see the signs. Davy Burke left in dubious circumstances and is now managing a club in Kildare. Why? Then Colin Kelly comes in and leaves within months - Why? Then they give the job to two who haven't managed at this level and don't seem to be better equipped to do the job than Kevin O'Brien. Why? Aside from that, clubs are not producing players to an intercounty standard which has been discussed repeatedly so i'm not going into it again. Finally Wicklow as a county pushed for a 2nd tier comp, this suggests a lack of ambition to me, go for the easier mickey mouse competition but is this right for the players. Why would a player who wants to play at the top level play in this competition or committ to the county setup as things stand? Are players turning away from the county setup?
wicklowsupport (Wicklow) - Posts: 1909 - 27/03/2022 19:02:46 2407488 Link 0 |
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Who would have thought that Wicklow would stay two years in D3 when they were promoted in 2020. A few narrow defeats in matches which they could have won. Still I believe that the two years in D3 will stand to them next year. Laois and Wicklow will both be back very soon Jack L (None) - Posts: 3099 - 27/03/2022 19:23:48 2407504 Link 0 |
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Jack L I hope you are right. I had the same thought until i started looking at the records. I agree with you that there were games in those two campaigns that we could have won but sadly that is the difference between teams that are successfull and those that are also-rans. The league campaign in 2020/21 was condensed due to covid, i think if it was a full campaign we would have been relegated but the team pulled off that great win over Cavan. Time will tell if these two campaigns benefit us next year. Hopefully the manager position can be resolved and that we can bounce back as these young players who are committed need to be playing in Division 3 minimum.
wicklowsupport (Wicklow) - Posts: 1909 - 27/03/2022 19:43:37 2407515 Link 0 |
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Couldn't agree more. I actually laughed when I seen the bench today. The rest of the Tinahely lads were probably tired after their league game in the morning. A shambles from the word go with the senior set up in 2022. It alsi now looks like the under 20 may suffer as a result. Well done to the hurlers on their win.
heavyheart19 (Wicklow) - Posts: 116 - 27/03/2022 21:35:23 2407582 Link 0 |
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Wicklowsupport there should be 3 tiers, and we should be in the third one.
sponger (Wicklow) - Posts: 2897 - 28/03/2022 08:58:09 2407618 Link 0 |
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I agree with some of the stuff that has been posted throughout the last two years about our footballers and their so called lack of success throughout. I disagree with some of the content. First and forecast the players had a very good manager with Davey and Covid hit. Secondly we brought in a manager who from the off was for me not up to it. And finally we now have joint managers, again I think this will only work short term. So let's take it from a players point of view. There has been complete upheaval in relation to leadership . We have a very young panel of players coming through. They are totally inexperienced and need a fatherly figure. Playing for Wicklow is not an attractive proposition for any young player now. All you have to do I read the posts here for the last 3 years and more. That's is not a dig at anyone. roseyinthegarden (Wicklow) - Posts: 109 - 28/03/2022 10:35:12 2407655 Link 0 |
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I agree with a lot of what you write. I can understand why people are negative as what has gone before is proving what a lot of people allude to in that the people in charge are not up to the job. We are about to throw away all the work that has been done in recent years at underage. Davy Burke leaving was a big blow and it was important that they got the next appointment correct. It seems now that it was the wrong appointment. I live outside the county so I have no inside knowledge about clubs or club rivalry or any of that baggage. For me, the obvious choice to take the senior team forward is Kevin O'Brien. He knows a lot of the lads from underage. He plays a nice brand of football and the players respect and look up to him based upon what i have seen from these players at minor and under 20 level. So why isn't he given the job? These players are in a no-win situation. They are a committed bunch of players who are going out and dedicating themselves to a cause that a lot of people have no respect for. They deserve to be treated better and given a figure to help them to develop and put their best foot forward. It is time that the people who makes these decisions, revisit the manager position and make the change so that we can get out of Division 4. Equally I agree, Division 3 was weak this year. No disrespect to Limerick and Louth but they are two average teams who will struggle in Division 2. We should have been able to comfortably stay in Division 3 despite our shortcomings in certain areas.
wicklowsupport (Wicklow) - Posts: 1909 - 28/03/2022 11:05:08 2407673 Link 1 |
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Current management needs to go anyway. They were part of Kelly's failed term, and as someone else mentioned there the makeup of the subs bench yesterday was questionable. They're not up to the job. OldSchoolRules (Australia) - Posts: 10 - 28/03/2022 11:11:15 2407676 Link 0 |
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Would Burke ever come back? I'm not sure if the circumstances of him leaving - I initially thought he was looking at Kildare but that makes no sense really. Though after what he did do then maybe he could set his sights on a lower end SM team. FrankieJoe (Wicklow) - Posts: 71 - 28/03/2022 18:24:31 2407863 Link 0 |
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I suppose, in fairness, now is the exact right time to get a progressive, dynamic in place. I also think that the two / three mentioned earlier have to be top of the list. I have no axe to grind with Mr Kelly, but I would question the knowledge and wisdom of whoever thought he was a good fit for the obviously talented players we have coming through in the first place. We are in the basement and there is only one way out. Div 3 was a surprise to say the least this year. Div 4 will be a war zone next year, as ever. To my way of thinking, whoever is in charge next year, there is no point in getting promoted unless we are good enough to stay up and progress further.
Freethinker (Wicklow) - Posts: 993 - 28/03/2022 18:59:59 2407871 Link 0 |
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Davy Burke wants the Kildare job. My reading of the situation is that the Kildare job wasn't available when he left Wicklow so that wasn't the reason for him leaving. He subsequently applied for the Kildare job when it became vacant but was overlooked for the second time. He is now back in club management with Sarsfield for the coming season. From media interviews I listened to, he enjoyed his time in charge of Wicklow which is why I was surprised when it was announced he was leaving. Without knowing the reason for his departure it is hard to say if he would take the Wicklow job again. Davy Burke is a very ambitious manager and pushes for improvements; did he look for some additional resources in Wicklow to push the team on towards Division 2 and wasn't he turned down due to lack of money? He was no fan of the Tailteann cup and didn't seem to support the idea which I agree with so was that part of the reason; I don't know. My biggest concern is that Wicklow and the Wicklow county board aren't ambitious in any way. The county seem to be more interested in getting a second tier competition for the also-rans than pushing on and getting into Division 2 and competing with the big boys. As the saying goes - you have to speculate to accumulate some times.
wicklowsupport (Wicklow) - Posts: 1909 - 29/03/2022 11:58:20 2408039 Link 0 |
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From what I hear you are pretty close to the mark re Davy Burke and his reason for leaving. There were probably communication problems re training for the Leinster match, availability of U20s etc, even for training. Nothing that couldn't have been sorted in any other county.
Freethinker (Wicklow) - Posts: 993 - 29/03/2022 13:16:18 2408071 Link 0 |
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So he was unhappy with the under 20 players not training with the senior panel? Seems like a small enough problem in the bigger picture. Anyway it is water under the bridge as i can't see any way back at this stage. So what now? Was the current management team put in temporary charge for rest of this year and then they will set about appointing a new manager when they exit the tailteann cup? ... after the final!!!! By the start of the 2023 league the Wicklow senior footballers could have their fourth manager in under 3 seasons. That is what you call continuity and stability Wicklow style. No wonder players don't know what the game plan is they are suppose to be playing. I might even have a chance to take a night's training myself in the coming months at this rate.
wicklowsupport (Wicklow) - Posts: 1909 - 29/03/2022 16:04:14 2408159 Link 0 |
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I am trying not to read too much into two results especially against the same opposition. Looking at the two results achieved in recent weeks against Louth at u20 level in hurling; either Louth are poor or maybe as a county we are starting to get our act together at underage when it comes to small ball. What is people's opinion who are on the ground in the county. Is there grounds for optimism? wicklowsupport (Wicklow) - Posts: 1909 - 30/03/2022 10:51:02 2408283 Link 0 |