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I don't know the answer to that question. It has been a very disappointing season todate. Some of the matches have become hard to watch. This division is wide open with teams taking points of each other at will. The answer to your question lies somewhere in between. Certainly our style of play is not conducive to high scoring games.
roseyinthegarden (Wicklow) - Posts: 109 - 28/02/2022 16:35:07 2403042 Link 0 |
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Looking at the state of Wicklow hurling and football, you would actually wonder what is the point ? sponger (Wicklow) - Posts: 2897 - 01/03/2022 16:42:25 2403295 Link 0 |
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What just happened...I hear the football manager has just stepped down? stringfellohawk (Wicklow) - Posts: 124 - 01/03/2022 20:07:01 2403326 Link 0 |
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Colin Kelly has walked - "Work commitments". Some jokeshop of an operation. FrankieJoe (Wicklow) - Posts: 71 - 01/03/2022 20:28:09 2403330 Link 0 |
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Football manager has just resigned. sponger (Wicklow) - Posts: 2897 - 01/03/2022 20:54:47 2403334 Link 0 |
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Its like the Benny Hill show, except not that funny. sponger (Wicklow) - Posts: 2897 - 01/03/2022 21:49:19 2403345 Link 0 |
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It is ten years in June since Mick O'Dwyer left Wicklow. When he left, there was the nucleus of a strong team even if age was caught up on some of them and we had young players being added to the panel and getting some experience, for example, Conor McGreynor. In the ten years since Micko left, we have had 4-5 managers coming and going and players coming and going. There is no plan, no vision, no ambition and it clear to see. What have we got to offer? I can't imagine that we have much in terms of money as we don't have any major sponsors and there is no supporters club established nor no fund raising that I am aware of but I live outside the county so I could be wrong. We have no secondary schools competing in any of the Leinster premier competitions, no success at underage level at intercounty, our clubs are bottom in Leinster across junior, intermediate and senior plus our senior footballers are heading for Division 4, the basement division where we have resided for as long as i can remember. If you add all this together then can we really blame external managers for not wanting to stay, not wanting to come to us? I can't. I don't know the story with Colin Kelly and why he has moved on. His explanation could well be valid but it is not important really; he is just the latest in a long line that have come and gone without any obvious reason or explanation. The whole GAA scene in Wicklow is a mess. It doesn't take a genius to work that one out and we are missing two key ingredient before you begin to build anything - ambition and pride. I know there are people with pride in the county but overall we don't show it in any sort of constructive way. We just muddle along in mediocrity. wicklowsupport (Wicklow) - Posts: 1909 - 02/03/2022 08:58:43 2403359 Link 1 |
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But shur don't we have that big night out every year where we hand out loads of awards and induct another "legend" of Wicklow Hurling and Football organisation to the Hall of Fame " who has dedicated their lives to service to the county. Nice meal and nice suits etc - surely this has to count for something. It isn't important that we are practically a laughing stock. There are probably a dozen posters on here who express themselves, where are the other hundreds or even thousands who make up the body of Gaelic Games within the county ? . There will be a convention again towards years end and the club delegates - the people with the real power - will vote in the same old same old who will pursue the same policies year in and year out. And why ? because it's the way things are, have been and always will be. It's a bit like that school kid who tried to paint flowers different colours. See where that got him. I have sympathy for Colm Kelly. I hope that the reasons given are genuine but I wonder. I can't imagine there will be a queue of people from outside - or inside for that matter applying for the job.
Freethinker (Wicklow) - Posts: 990 - 02/03/2022 10:17:22 2403386 Link 0 |
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You have hit the nail on the head. We all seem to blame the senior manager whoever he is but we are failing and get the same results regardless of who the manager is because the clubs aren't producing the players of a standards whereby we can compete at a decent standard in hurling and football. We blame the county board and yet the club delegates vote for the same ole every year knowing it has failed abysmally for decade - why? Is it just a social club as you point out? Is the message that we don't take this serious, we are just making up the numbers what they want to send out. Nobody seems to what to change anything and we wonder why we are where we are. I think serious consideration should be given to appointing Kevin O'Brien as manager if he is willing to take the job.
wicklowsupport (Wicklow) - Posts: 1909 - 02/03/2022 11:23:48 2403410 Link 0 |
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Absolutely!!!
FBC (Louth) - Posts: 104 - 02/03/2022 11:45:05 2403420 Link 0 |
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I left the game on Saturday quite depressed because despite not playing particularly well we were still in with a chance of winning it However things are substantially worse than I thought. Now we cant keep a manager for more than a few months..it would appear that this points to a complete shambles behind the scenes. I would think that Kevin O' Brien would be the man for the job...but why in the world would anyone take on the job? I have to say I feel sorry for the players who are out training and playing and doing their best. They are let down by a woefully inept and board who have been mucking things up for decades. Let's not forget that the hurling manager is also in trouble....surely there is a common factor here stringfellohawk (Wicklow) - Posts: 124 - 02/03/2022 12:17:11 2403434 Link 0 |
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The only reason this manger left was because the players were dropping off the panel like flys. I am off the opinion that as a panel of players we were good enough to stay up in this division. There were was very little in all the games we have played. However as I have pointed out on numerous occasions our style of play under this current management meant we were not going to put up any high scoring amount.
roseyinthegarden (Wicklow) - Posts: 109 - 02/03/2022 12:38:17 2403439 Link 0 |
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The same thing happened in Westmeath when Kelly was appointed so I'm not one bit surprised about this. Nearly a whole team of players dropped off that season he was with them. Disappointing for Wicklow as I was very impressed by your performance against Westmeath and they were ultimately lucky to get the win a few weeks ago.
Matthew (None) - Posts: 1005 - 02/03/2022 12:57:16 2403450 Link 0 |
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Matthew, good to get a different perspective. I hope for the players sake that they get a manager that suits the squad. There is so much recrimination within the county as the setup in hutling and football is a mess. Despite everything we acyually still have players with some potrntial but the environment in the county even amongst those that care is bad. The ones suffering the most is the players.
wicklowsupport (Wicklow) - Posts: 1909 - 02/03/2022 13:33:26 2403462 Link 0 |
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Thanks for that rosyinthegarden I wasn't aware of that...maybe I was too quick to blame everything on the county board a knee jerk reaction to being disappointed !
stringfellohawk (Wicklow) - Posts: 124 - 02/03/2022 13:49:36 2403464 Link 0 |
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What players have left the set up? TopDrawer (Wicklow) - Posts: 51 - 02/03/2022 14:07:33 2403467 Link 0 |
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Should people who have actually devoted their lives to contributing to Wicklow GAA not be recognised? People who volunteer and give up their time to help keep things like gates on a matchday, organise referees, pitches etc. Why is it a bad thing that they are recognised, it has nothing to do with the fortunes of the senior football team? There are way less posters than there used to be on this site because the website is dying and the forum has basically become neglected by the Hoganstand. There used to be forum posts about every level of football 5 years ago. People don't have a proper place to discuss GAA in Wicklow anymore, it doesn't mean they don't exist. Anyone can become a club delegate, anyone can approach their club delegate and discuss items that should be brought to county conventions, that's the thing about the GAA, anyone can get involved! Have you gotten involved in your own club to change things? I play and coach within my own club and while there are certainly a few people at county board level I have little time for, they're volunteers and I'm not willing to do their job so who am I to complain. I know the delegates that go from my club are massive GAA people and live for the club and Gaelic Games. However, there are people in my club and in every club that love a bit of power and have certain agendas and that's bound to have a negative effect. At the end of the day, Gaa clubs and county boards are little more than the equivalent of a parish council, nobody is trained for the role, nobody gets paid, you're relying on the skills and strengths of your volunteers. What "same policies year on year" in particular bother you as a matter of interest? At the end of the day if everyone on this forum and all the people who love a whinge went into their clubs tomorrow and asked for a job they could do to improve things, GAA in the county would be in a better place. Victorious87 (Wicklow) - Posts: 597 - 02/03/2022 14:42:24 2403471 Link 1 |
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I felt it was unfortunate(for whatever reason) that we lost Davey Burke as I felt he would have brought a new set of ideas and strategies while establishing stability with essentially a new panel of players. Kevin O Brien at under 20 was the perfect fit to dovetail with Burke but the opportunity was lost. With all due respect to Colin Kelly he seems to have brought very little little of a game plan to the matches I've seen and has given little or no game time to some members of the panel so they have called it a day. Optimisticobserver (Wicklow) - Posts: 125 - 02/03/2022 14:47:34 2403476 Link 0 |
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I can only talk for myself. When i lived in the county, i was active in my club. I no longer live in the county so i am not involved or affilitated with any club. I am not on here whinging but as a supporter i am disillusioned that ten year ago we were progressing in the right direction but instead of building on what Micko started and when left to manage things for ourselves we've blow it. I know that there are people volunteering with the best of initiations but they don't know what they are doing. We all know that GAA is now professional at all levels and there needs to be a professional approach adapted if you want to compete. A lot of people i know who would have supported the county, no longer do so as they're disillusioned. You need strong county teams to pump blood into the association in a county otherwise you lose a lot of people. When i see good people like Kevin O'Brien stopping and i see ex players like Leighton Glynn not involved in any capacity; i ask myself why is this the case. A county like Wicklow needs eveything working to fully capacity to be able to compete - is that happening now? Has it happened for most of our history? My answer would be No. We can turn things around, other counties have done it but the way we are going about it, is never going to be adequate to compete at any level.
wicklowsupport (Wicklow) - Posts: 1909 - 02/03/2022 15:00:43 2403480 Link 0 |
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Without being too longwinded I think the answer to your question above is obvious. We are little more than a joke in the world of Gaelic Games. Whatever our policies or strategies or lack of them are, they have been a disaster for over 100yrs now. This is incontrovertible. I have no gripe whatever with those who have given a lifetime of service at whatever level. I am pointing the finger at one specific level so please don't try that old trick of tarring everyone with the same brush. I have always stated that the clubs are derelict in their duties to growing our games by continually voting in those who, however well intentioned are not and have not been capable of steering us out of the mire. Those brave souls who have stood on gates, prepared grounds etc over the decades have nothing to answer for. If all those who have governed our games within the county over the decades can stand up and hand on heart and say that they have done their best, well, all I can say is that their best is nowhere good enough. Nor has it ever been.
Freethinker (Wicklow) - Posts: 990 - 02/03/2022 15:21:55 2403491 Link 0 |