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Replying To shslimk: "The fringe players were very poor yesterday, with the exception of Cathal O Neill. David Dempsey and Adrian Breen are both gone from the panel this year, which is hard to understand, particularly with Casey out and the weakness of the forward options from the bench." Dempsey was never a prolific scorer anyway. The player who has totally been forgotten about for the last few years has been Ronan Lynch.
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Replying To johnocarroll17: "Dempsey was never a prolific scorer anyway. The player who has totally been forgotten about for the last few years has been Ronan Lynch." I think at the moment options up front are a bit light, someone like Dempsey has a lot of experience and I think possibly Kiely was a bit quick to show him and Adrian Breen the door. Adrian Breen offers something different as he is more of a natural finisher but his work rate may not be as strong as some of the other options.
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Replying To daveboy: "Yesterday's match albeit disappointing will have given kiely a lot of information going forward. I'd imagine the heavy physical work will taper off and now the hurling/ball work/touch/ tactics will kick in over the next 6 weeks in lead up to championship. Kiely naming 8 starters from last years AI final on Friday allowed Kingston to go very heavy with a near starting championship 15 on the Saturday. This made sense to cork to exorcise a small bit what happened last August. It worked very well for cork and they looked very sharp and have clearly a lot of work done. They looked very close to championship fitness and some of their tactics were interesting.
On tactics i felt kiely held a bit back. Leaving Quaid Nash and Byrnes out from the start left limerick without their best 3 distributors and this lead to some wasteful play from limerick early on. Their accuracy in the pass especially was very poor and the link play suffered. Limerick still look leggy to me and that combination can be very hard to overcome. I also felt kiely held back on the cork puck outs without putting any pressure on collins and allowing them to do as they please in the FB line. The use of collins as an extra man in the FB line has disaster written all over it for cork.
Kiely will be concerned however with some of his fringe players not really stepping up to where he might have liked. There are still questions re 15 come April. Kiely will give mulcahy the jersey on Sunday and it will be Graemes to lose from here on. He will also be keen to get the likes of Dan Hayes and Tom more game time as they look a small bit rusty and their touch is still off but 7 weeks is loads of time for these lads. I still feel we have a nice bit of cover in the backs but it's up front where we are a little light. Casey and Murphys ACL injuries are losses but kieky still has options.
I felt leaving the GG yesterday that cork have handed back limerick a bit of the impetus and motivation after the match. April was always going to be corks revenge match for last August but now kiely will have limerick finely tuned for that first match. The bear has been poked well and truly.
I don't like to finish on a bad note but I thought kingstons hit on finn was a cowardly act and could have done a lot of damage. Anytime someone has to be hospitalised after an intentional hit to the head it should be called out. We in limerick are a physical bunch without a doubt but I don't think we'd ever go out to intentionally hurt someone. Kingston I'm sure it was a rush of blood intentionally went to hurt finn and succeeded.
Onto clare next week and I'm sure kiely will go v strong as the experimentation phase is now over." Kingston was mistimed i'd say in fariness to him. Player ducked when he was attempting the hit. Not necessary in todays game and you only end up getting in trouble trying to bury lads with decent shots these days. If anything i'd say Flanagan was worse, stuck he elbow out attempting the shoulder, cheap enough shot.
Our own Jack O Connor could easily have seen red too although i don't think it was as bad as the two tackles in Limerick.
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Replying To daveboy: "Yesterday's match albeit disappointing will have given kiely a lot of information going forward. I'd imagine the heavy physical work will taper off and now the hurling/ball work/touch/ tactics will kick in over the next 6 weeks in lead up to championship. Kiely naming 8 starters from last years AI final on Friday allowed Kingston to go very heavy with a near starting championship 15 on the Saturday. This made sense to cork to exorcise a small bit what happened last August. It worked very well for cork and they looked very sharp and have clearly a lot of work done. They looked very close to championship fitness and some of their tactics were interesting.
On tactics i felt kiely held a bit back. Leaving Quaid Nash and Byrnes out from the start left limerick without their best 3 distributors and this lead to some wasteful play from limerick early on. Their accuracy in the pass especially was very poor and the link play suffered. Limerick still look leggy to me and that combination can be very hard to overcome. I also felt kiely held back on the cork puck outs without putting any pressure on collins and allowing them to do as they please in the FB line. The use of collins as an extra man in the FB line has disaster written all over it for cork.
Kiely will be concerned however with some of his fringe players not really stepping up to where he might have liked. There are still questions re 15 come April. Kiely will give mulcahy the jersey on Sunday and it will be Graemes to lose from here on. He will also be keen to get the likes of Dan Hayes and Tom more game time as they look a small bit rusty and their touch is still off but 7 weeks is loads of time for these lads. I still feel we have a nice bit of cover in the backs but it's up front where we are a little light. Casey and Murphys ACL injuries are losses but kieky still has options.
I felt leaving the GG yesterday that cork have handed back limerick a bit of the impetus and motivation after the match. April was always going to be corks revenge match for last August but now kiely will have limerick finely tuned for that first match. The bear has been poked well and truly.
I don't like to finish on a bad note but I thought kingstons hit on finn was a cowardly act and could have done a lot of damage. Anytime someone has to be hospitalised after an intentional hit to the head it should be called out. We in limerick are a physical bunch without a doubt but I don't think we'd ever go out to intentionally hurt someone. Kingston I'm sure it was a rush of blood intentionally went to hurt finn and succeeded.
Onto clare next week and I'm sure kiely will go v strong as the experimentation phase is now over." Kingston was mistimed i'd say in fariness to him. Player ducked when he was attempting the hit. Not necessary in todays game and you only end up getting in trouble trying to bury lads with decent shots these days. If anything i'd say Flanagan was worse, stuck he elbow out attempting the shoulder, cheap enough shot.
Our own Jack O Connor could easily have seen red too although i don't think it was as bad as the two tackles in Limerick.
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Replying To johnocarroll17: "Dempsey was never a prolific scorer anyway. The player who has totally been forgotten about for the last few years has been Ronan Lynch." Ronan Lynch?@ ah come on. He was never able to compete at that level. No pace and power. Great hands and striking but seriously. David Dempsey on form offers alot more than Boylan or Reidy. Reidy is very average.
bloodyban (Limerick) - Posts: 1710 - 01/03/2022 10:22:36
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Replying To LarryOBrother: "Kingston was mistimed i'd say in fariness to him. Player ducked when he was attempting the hit. Not necessary in todays game and you only end up getting in trouble trying to bury lads with decent shots these days. If anything i'd say Flanagan was worse, stuck he elbow out attempting the shoulder, cheap enough shot.
Our own Jack O Connor could easily have seen red too although i don't think it was as bad as the two tackles in Limerick." I couldn't disagree with you more
daveboy (Limerick) - Posts: 1198 - 01/03/2022 11:20:53
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Listening to Paul Murphy on Newstalk podcast and he talked about Limerick players needing ".ice on the brain..." and before he mentioned that they needed to be cold-blooded and walking away and not reacting.
Cork definitely seemed to get under their skin and all teams will try and do this, especially to the likes of Gillane, Hegarty and Flanagan. Just needs to be drilled into players by all means be as physical as you want but never raise your hands or your hurley as they are under the microscope.
Fitzy01 (Limerick) - Posts: 453 - 01/03/2022 11:28:00
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Replying To LarryOBrother: "Kingston was mistimed i'd say in fariness to him. Player ducked when he was attempting the hit. Not necessary in todays game and you only end up getting in trouble trying to bury lads with decent shots these days. If anything i'd say Flanagan was worse, stuck he elbow out attempting the shoulder, cheap enough shot.
Our own Jack O Connor could easily have seen red too although i don't think it was as bad as the two tackles in Limerick." i would have to disagree with you Larry and the Kingston incident happened right in front of me. Kingston was after getting an aul belt after scoring the goal and he was fired up. He went in leading witb the elbow when he charged into Finn. Most people around me knew it was going to be a red card from Limerick and Cork.
Clubgaa (Limerick) - Posts: 879 - 01/03/2022 11:57:19
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Replying To Clubgaa: "i would have to disagree with you Larry and the Kingston incident happened right in front of me. Kingston was after getting an aul belt after scoring the goal and he was fired up. He went in leading witb the elbow when he charged into Finn. Most people around me knew it was going to be a red card from Limerick and Cork." He caught him full force with the shoulder into the jaw/face. It was 100% premeditated and intentional. Sean was very lucky he didn't get a very nasty injury. He was badly concussed and hopefully will recover fully soon. The limerick panel will rally around Sean and they'll be ready for The championship match back in cork I've no doubt.
daveboy (Limerick) - Posts: 1198 - 01/03/2022 12:23:06
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Replying To LarryOBrother: "Kingston was mistimed i'd say in fariness to him. Player ducked when he was attempting the hit. Not necessary in todays game and you only end up getting in trouble trying to bury lads with decent shots these days. If anything i'd say Flanagan was worse, stuck he elbow out attempting the shoulder, cheap enough shot.
Our own Jack O Connor could easily have seen red too although i don't think it was as bad as the two tackles in Limerick." Watched the Kingston one back a few times Larry. Dont think it was mistimed it looked more like revenge for the tangle up after the goal earlier. It was lined up from a good way out. If it was rugby it wouldve been a straight red. It was a shoulder clean into the side of the head. I heard Finn had to go to hospital after it. They are the sort of tackles that could lead to a lad being paralysed or brain damaged for the rest of his life. Alot worse than breaking someone's arm with the chop of a hurl . Should get a long ban for it.
Flanagans looked clumsy but harmless. Both were standing nearly still- no real impact- if anything it was hard to see why the Cork lad had to dive on the floor. He seemed to be absolutely fine after the red was shown.
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Replying To LarryOBrother: "Kingston was mistimed i'd say in fariness to him. Player ducked when he was attempting the hit. Not necessary in todays game and you only end up getting in trouble trying to bury lads with decent shots these days. If anything i'd say Flanagan was worse, stuck he elbow out attempting the shoulder, cheap enough shot.
Our own Jack O Connor could easily have seen red too although i don't think it was as bad as the two tackles in Limerick." Jacko should've got a red card Larry O. Those type of tackles are extremely dangerous mistimed or not
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Replying To Viking66: "Watched the Kingston one back a few times Larry. Dont think it was mistimed it looked more like revenge for the tangle up after the goal earlier. It was lined up from a good way out. If it was rugby it wouldve been a straight red. It was a shoulder clean into the side of the head. I heard Finn had to go to hospital after it. They are the sort of tackles that could lead to a lad being paralysed or brain damaged for the rest of his life. Alot worse than breaking someone's arm with the chop of a hurl . Should get a long ban for it.
Flanagans looked clumsy but harmless. Both were standing nearly still- no real impact- if anything it was hard to see why the Cork lad had to dive on the floor. He seemed to be absolutely fine after the red was shown." That's a perfectly balanced objective summary imo.
daveboy (Limerick) - Posts: 1198 - 01/03/2022 13:06:29
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Replying To Viking66: "Watched the Kingston one back a few times Larry. Dont think it was mistimed it looked more like revenge for the tangle up after the goal earlier. It was lined up from a good way out. If it was rugby it wouldve been a straight red. It was a shoulder clean into the side of the head. I heard Finn had to go to hospital after it. They are the sort of tackles that could lead to a lad being paralysed or brain damaged for the rest of his life. Alot worse than breaking someone's arm with the chop of a hurl . Should get a long ban for it.
Flanagans looked clumsy but harmless. Both were standing nearly still- no real impact- if anything it was hard to see why the Cork lad had to dive on the floor. He seemed to be absolutely fine after the red was shown." No i have to disagree, Finn moves right before impact and Kinston connects shoulder to face. Flanagan sticks out his elbow to make sure he hits him. Both of them are red cards. I don't know how you could say Kingston looks meditated whereas Flanagan is clumsy? A clumsy tackle dosen't result with the elbow coming out past the horizontal.
And he's another player with discipline issues for Kiely to worry about.
LarryOBrother (Wexford) - Posts: 412 - 01/03/2022 15:38:36
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Replying To LarryOBrother: "No i have to disagree, Finn moves right before impact and Kinston connects shoulder to face. Flanagan sticks out his elbow to make sure he hits him. Both of them are red cards. I don't know how you could say Kingston looks meditated whereas Flanagan is clumsy? A clumsy tackle dosen't result with the elbow coming out past the horizontal.
And he's another player with discipline issues for Kiely to worry about." What Flanagan did wouldnt have knocked you over and you played with no helmet Larry.
Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 16495 - 01/03/2022 16:07:35
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No i disagree, if you stick your elbow out and hit someone in the face you're asking for trouble. Anyway we'll agree to disagree!
LarryOBrother (Wexford) - Posts: 412 - 01/03/2022 16:46:46
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Replying To Viking66: "Watched the Kingston one back a few times Larry. Dont think it was mistimed it looked more like revenge for the tangle up after the goal earlier. It was lined up from a good way out. If it was rugby it wouldve been a straight red. It was a shoulder clean into the side of the head. I heard Finn had to go to hospital after it. They are the sort of tackles that could lead to a lad being paralysed or brain damaged for the rest of his life. Alot worse than breaking someone's arm with the chop of a hurl . Should get a long ban for it.
Flanagans looked clumsy but harmless. Both were standing nearly still- no real impact- if anything it was hard to see why the Cork lad had to dive on the floor. He seemed to be absolutely fine after the red was shown." Kingston definilty went out to lay Finn out. Serious power in his challenge. Nasty stuff.
Bon (Kildare) - Posts: 2417 - 01/03/2022 17:31:40
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Replying To Mads: "Yes he was childishly tripped when he scored the goal which did result him falling awkwardly on his head. As a result he was naturally furious and fair enough but "Knee into the head" is exactly the type of complete utter rubbish being spouted from all quarters these days. If it was a legitimate Knee into the head then a player would have to be banned for a number of matches. Do you honestly think that will happen after your so called Knee into the head" You can spin it any way you want but there were several poor tackles.. a lot of personal fouls and the player who collided with him after he scored the goal didn't need to make the contact he did. These players are at a level where nothing happens by accident
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Replying To Viking66: "Watched the Kingston one back a few times Larry. Dont think it was mistimed it looked more like revenge for the tangle up after the goal earlier. It was lined up from a good way out. If it was rugby it wouldve been a straight red. It was a shoulder clean into the side of the head. I heard Finn had to go to hospital after it. They are the sort of tackles that could lead to a lad being paralysed or brain damaged for the rest of his life. Alot worse than breaking someone's arm with the chop of a hurl . Should get a long ban for it.
Flanagans looked clumsy but harmless. Both were standing nearly still- no real impact- if anything it was hard to see why the Cork lad had to dive on the floor. He seemed to be absolutely fine after the red was shown." What's your view on ' Connor's high hit on Tuohy in Pearse Stadium? The TG4 view was that it was definitely a straight red.
baire (Galway) - Posts: 1849 - 01/03/2022 19:39:26
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Replying To Viking66: "Watched the Kingston one back a few times Larry. Dont think it was mistimed it looked more like revenge for the tangle up after the goal earlier. It was lined up from a good way out. If it was rugby it wouldve been a straight red. It was a shoulder clean into the side of the head. I heard Finn had to go to hospital after it. They are the sort of tackles that could lead to a lad being paralysed or brain damaged for the rest of his life. Alot worse than breaking someone's arm with the chop of a hurl . Should get a long ban for it.
Flanagans looked clumsy but harmless. Both were standing nearly still- no real impact- if anything it was hard to see why the Cork lad had to dive on the floor. He seemed to be absolutely fine after the red was shown." To be fair, the Kingston one was a straight red. Terrible hit and very dangerous. No place for it. However the Limerick lad that hit a cheap shot on him as he scored the goal just before should have seen the line. Striking to the head with the hurl is cowardly. Not sure whether it was Finn though.
The Flanagan one was definitely a red. You cannot get away with doing the near exact same offence as one that had 30 seconds before produced a red. Very stupid and smacked of a bit of frustration. It happens. However, calling O'Leary out for a dive is ridiculous. It could also have caused a nasty injury.
Back to the game, this has no baring on championship. Limerick look like a team training hard. They looked tired and sluggish, contributing to poor touch. They will be flying come championship and their usual high standard of touch will be back. I just hope we can put a better performance in this year. I think we will, but definitely Limerick in the box seat.
BaldyBadger (Cork) - Posts: 318 - 01/03/2022 20:20:23
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Kiely and co got their timings just right last year and not sure if i saw a hurling side peak so perfectly for an All Ireland final before. Very impressive! I also believe there's longer term merit in giving these boys a good break during the off season. With the change in championship and tough opener in Cork the margins are finer this year but John will know that better than anyone. My only concern this year is that there was not one serious argument to be made for anyone outside starting 15 in the Final last year and with more games, a couple of injuries/loss of form to some of our big names could see us in trouble. We have sone decent cover in places but extended squad not putting a hand up at present
dingo (Limerick) - Posts: 23 - 01/03/2022 20:22:32
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